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I think you're talking about families, & refugee's fleeing oppression and war vs people immigrating to another country due to political opinions. I'd never call families and refugees cowards. The cowards are all the political leaders who can't find or deliver peace in their country.

The saying goes "America! Love it or Leave it." It's always going to be directed towards the opposition party of the WH every 4 years. The saying has been repeated since I can remember. It never fails to be uttered.

I didn't answer cause you asked conservatives

jc

So does anybody still have hope that the two 'sides' can reconcile on anything meaningful?

Nope. I also don't think we'll go to war (actual fighting) with them either unless Trump fires first. I don't think they want a war, they want embargos lifted and recognition as a legitimate power, which they are not.

At this point, a nuclear war (if nobody else got involved) would last about 45 minutes and result in their total destruction. They might get lucky and hit us or our allies once or twice.

How do you know I'm not conservative? Actually I've voted more on the right than the left in my lifetime. Issue is, the right has moved too far right. I haven't changed at all, the scale moved.

Nope. I also don't think we'll go to war (actual fighting) with them either unless Trump fires first. I don't think they want a war, they want embargos lifted and recognition as a legitimate power, which they are not.

At this point, a nuclear war (if nobody else got involved) would last about 45 minutes and result in their total destruction. They might get lucky and hit us or our allies once or twice.

You know the funny about that, I said the same thing only on opposite spectrums. JFK would be considered a right wing kook in todays Left

Right now they are either choosing to succumb to their own cowardice

Polls also range from 54%-72% don't agree with the kneeling. NFL should be concerned about how their fans feel. Not good business.

I have a question for the liberal brethren. Why when the players who wanted to wear 9/11 tribute cleats they were fined and liberals stood up for the NFL saying "well its in the contract they cant wear those, blah blah blah." But its in the contract for the players to be on the sideline standing, and now nothing by the NFL?

They want to control what most people say, do, and think. They want conformist (this is the far left I am speaking of).

jc

So does anybody still have hope that the two 'sides' can reconcile on anything meaningful?

Star-Spangled Bigotry: The Hidden Racist History of the National Anthem

Jason Johnson
7/04/16 5:52am

Americans generally get a failing grade when it comes to knowing our “patriotic songs.” I know more people who can recite “America, F—k Yeah” from Team America than “America the Beautiful.” “Yankee Doodle”? No one older than a fifth-grader in chorus class remembers the full song. “God Bless America”? More people know the Rev. Jeremiah Wright remix than the actual full lyrics of the song. Most black folks don’t even know “the black national anthem.” (There’s a great story about Bill Clinton being at an NAACP meeting where he was the only one who knew it past the first line. Bill Clinton: Woke in the ’90s.)

In the case of our national anthem, “The Star-Spangled Banner,” perhaps not knowing the full lyrics is a good thing. It is one of the most racist, pro-slavery, anti-black songs in the American lexicon, and you would be wise to cut it from your Fourth of July playlist.

“The Star-Spangled Banner,” as most Americans know it, is only a couple of lines. In fact, if you look up the song on Google, only the most famous lyrics pop up on Page 1:

Oh say can you see,
By the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed,
At the twilight's last gleaming?

Whose broad stripes and bright stars,
Through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched,
Were so gallantly streaming.

And thy rocket's red glare,
Thy bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through thee night,
That our flag was still there.

Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.
The story, as most of us are told, is that Francis Scott Key was a prisoner on a British ship during the War of 1812 and wrote this poem while watching the American troops battle back the invading British in Baltimore. That—as is the case with 99 percent of history that is taught in public schools and regurgitated by the mainstream press—is less than half the story.


To understand the full “Star-Spangled Banner” story, you have to understand the author. Key was an aristocrat and city prosecutor in Washington, D.C. He was, like most enlightened men at the time, not against slavery; he just thought that since blacks were mentally inferior, masters should treat them with more Christian kindness. He supported sending free blacks (not slaves) back to Africa and, with a few exceptions, was about as pro-slavery, anti-black and anti-abolitionist as you could get at the time.

Of particular note was Key’s opposition to the idea of the Colonial Marines. The Marines were a battalion of runaway slaves who joined with the British Royal Army in exchange for their freedom. The Marines were not only a terrifying example of what slaves would do if given the chance, but also a repudiation of the white superiority that men like Key were so invested in.

All of these ideas and concepts came together around Aug. 24, 1815, at the Battle of Bladensburg, where Key, who was serving as a lieutenant at the time, ran into a battalion of Colonial Marines. His troops were taken to the woodshed by the very black folks he disdained, and he fled back to his home in Georgetown to lick his wounds. The British troops, emboldened by their victory in Bladensburg, then marched into Washington, D.C., burning the Library of Congress, the Capitol Building and the White House. You can imagine that Key was very much in his feelings seeing black soldiers trampling on the city he so desperately loved.

A few weeks later, in September of 1815, far from being a captive, Key was on a British boat begging for the release of one of his friends, a doctor named William Beanes. Key was on the boat waiting to see if the British would release his friend when he observed the bloody battle of Fort McHenry in Baltimore on Sept. 13, 1815. America lost the battle but managed to inflict heavy casualties on the British in the process. This inspired Key to write “The Star-Spangled Banner” right then and there, but no one remembers that he wrote a full third stanza decrying the former slaves who were now working for the British army:

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
In other words, Key was saying that the blood of all the former slaves and “hirelings” on the battlefield will wash away the pollution of the British invaders. With Key still bitter that some black soldiers got the best of him a few weeks earlier, “The Star-Spangled Banner” is as much a patriotic song as it is a diss track to black people who had the audacity to fight for their freedom. Perhaps that’s why it took almost 100 years for the song to become the national anthem.

To hear more of the story, there is an excellent short documentary about the history of “The Star-Spangled Banner” by some students at Morgan State University. In the meantime, it might be a good idea to switch up your Fourth of July patriotic playlist.

http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893

Maybe a little understanding is what we need.

I'm not sad at all and I love and fought for this country.

Speak for yourself because you don't speak for me.

What the heck are you going on about? This is not the NK thread and I think Haus was referring to sports and people fighting over the issue in this thread!

As they should, it is a business. However, they do not want a lawsuit filed from the players for violating their rights. I am sure the NFL (who is lead by a lawyer) has consulted legal counsel already, and realizes that if they tried to stop it, they would open themselves up for lawsuit. JMO

Ratings say viewership for the NFL games fell 10% for 2 weeks in a row now. I don't know if that means an additional 10% this week or if it's the same 10%.

Polls also range from 54%-72% don't agree with the kneeling. NFL should be concerned about how their fans feel. Not good business.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/...riotic-n2385646

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/09/22/rasmussen-poll-34-less-likely-watch-nfl-anthem-protests/

http://www.dailywire.com/news/21458/flashback-polls-show-most-americans-dont-players-aaron-bandler

Far too often some conservatives think that because we liberals have criticism of the country, that MUST mean we don't like it here. Just because we view the relationship between cops and minorities as toxic doesn't mean we want to leave. It means we want the situation to be fixed that way the quality of life for everyone is raised.

Just because there's income inequality in America doesn't mean we want to leave, or SHOULD leave somewhere else. It just means it's a problem we feel needs to be solved as soon as possible.

However it's not cowardly to flee from an active war zone where you have ZERO control over the outcome in an attempt to save not only yourself, but your families life.

I agree. I know the average profit margin for a business is around 7%. I have no clue what the NFL margin is but if I'm losing 10% of my fan base I'd be very concerned.

What will cost more, settling a lawsuit with players or losing my sponsors that really make me money?

If the NFL banned players from taking a knee the lawsuit would null the CBA totally and players would probably regain majority control of proceeds again. Owners will eventually lose bigly.

So you don't think we have a problem of systemic racism in this country?

And when it comes to trump, I can list a specific reason as to why he's a problem. And it's real obvious.

I believe he was talking about the protestors and the ones against the protesting.

Me?

Lily, nary a spot.

But that's not what we're kneeling over.

And even still, that makes no sense. Unarmed civilians didn't "make" the cops shooter them, either.

When you look at these cases of cops shooting unarmed black men, why was it that none of them were suspected of murder prior to being shot?

What's the common theme around here?

Don't resist arrest and you won't get shot, right?

So resisting arrest = death?

And then yo go further. If that was indeed the case, then why is that a white guy can kill two people, eat their faces, then fight the cops and not get shot, yet a guy selling cigarettes on a street corner gets choked to death?

Why is it that a guy can be laying in the street with his hands up and still get shot?

Why is it that a guy can run, clearly NOT a threat, yet get shot in the back 8 times, then have the taser dropped by his body in a way to make it look like a struggle?

As I've said before, when it comes to black men, conservatives are A ok with cops being the judge, jury, and executioner. The criminal justice system seems to work perfectly fine when it comes to locking us up. We're thugs, savages, need to go back to Africa.

But when it's the opposite, it's "I feared for my life", or he stood his ground, or he has a mental illness and needs help. And then we they get mistrials and acquitted.

THATS what these protest and BLM is all about, bro. We just want equality. We just want equal protection under the law and equality in the criminal justice system.

But yet apparently that's too much to ask in the supposedly greatest nation on earth.

Me 25 percent Indian.
My daughter -in-law= half black half white
I guess that makes my grand daughter part white, black, and Indian. Do you really want to start the white spot argument with me?

Hey Swish, I'm a vet too and I got to wonder if you are lying about you're service.

I belong to the VFW and every vet I know is disgusted with these spoiled crybabies.