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In ten short days the fun begins ... so i figured it was time to post how I would like to see the QB position shake out .... I'll start with my dream scenario ... If I was the master of the universe this is what would happen ...
BQ would sign before camp started .... this would allow him to get in and get as many reps as possible and allow him to absorb as much as possible ....
Frye would be the starter day 1 .... I feel he will make the best back up long term so I would want him to get the experience and reps that would pay dividends over the next 5 years .....
BQ would come in and start around week 8 ... this would give him the chance to experience the game first hand and start the learning proccess and start to eliminate some of the mistakes all rookies are prone to ... this would pay HUGE DIVIDENDS next year ....
here's what I think will happen .... and it will all be based on when BQ signs ...
1. If BQ signs and is in camp on time I believe he will win the starting job out of the gate ... he is by far the best QB we have as far as smarts and accuracy ... he also has a pretty good arm and is more mobile than most think .. hes BY FAR OUR BEST QB and I believe if hes in from day 1 he will blow past Frye and DA just over the half way point and his inexperience will be a non factor ...
2. If BQ signs and is in camp within the first week or so ...... whoever wins the battle between DA and Frye will start ... and BQ will take over between weeks 4 - 6 ..... BQ wont be able to overcome the holdout but will still get enough reps and experience to start around the bye week ...
3. If BQ has a prolonged holdout IF he starts at all will be determined by how long the holdout is and how the team is playiing .... there will be a direct correlation between how long he holds out and how many W's we have and how were playing .... another words if he has a prolonged holdout he wont start until we throw the towel in on the season ...
If BQ sits all year I would be fine with that also .. not what i would do or want but i understand the concept so U wouldnt hear a word out of me ... I just don't see a scenario where BQ doesn't start because he is the future and I don't see Frye or DA playing well enough to keep him on the bench ....
so there u have it .. my dream scenario and what i think will happen ...
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Too bad you aren't in charge. Frye has value to the team and I for one am hoping he's here a few more years. If Quinn takes the starting job, great, but we also need a #2 quarterback with game experience. That #2 will probably be Frye some day but he'll have to lose the starting spot first. Let them fight it out in camp.
Your assessment is pretty much what I expect to see out of the quarterbacks this year.
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I was hoping someone would bring up the QB situation.... 
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This is what I know: If BQ is in camp on time, and if CF or Anderson (oh God please not Derek) starts the year at the controls, whoever it is better get off to a solid start because if not the pressure to go to your boy Brady will be intense beyond belief.
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Many people around Ohio and on this board, are cutting frye short, and many have good reason too, some of his problems were his fault, lack of experiance and lack of protection, but he still has alot to prove, as for Quinn, I'm not gonna state one way or the other yet, But one thing is for sure, we dont wanna cut Charlie short, Charlie is a fighter, scappy say what ya wanna say I'll prove ya wrong, Maybe the best thing Phil ever did for Charlies game wasnt to bring in O-Lineman maybe it was bring in Brady Quinn to take his job, Chalrie is not gonna give up starting QB easily, Charlie is gonna go down fighting and clawing, Charlie is gonna work 12-18 hours a day 7 days a week to keep it, Thats the type of Player we have in Charlie, Can Brady keep up, Can Brady met this challange, Is Brady mentally & physically strong enough to keep up, I have no doubt in my mind charlie can, Charlie is a fighter, lets not under estimate what we have in Charlie,...give me a worker, fighter any day...Give me a player who takes the threat of losing his starting job seriouly and works harder and keeps his mouth shut to keep it anyday....I'm not saying Quinn wont win the starting job, I wanna win....I dont care who is at QB, I'm just saying....Dont count out a junkyard Dawg..and Charlie is a junkyard Dawg... 
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[BQ] is by far the best QB we have as far as smarts and accuracy
If this is the case, then why did CF have a better overall completion percentage than BQ did in college?
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The only thing I see that would be any major difference is I don't think a holdout of a week would hurt or change much.
I am of the opinion the team has already failed in not having these guys signed.
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It's SOP for this time of year peen. Not many are surprised that the guys haven't signed yet. In that case, about 29 other teams have "failed", too.
We need a rookie salary cap.
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maybe because more receivers caught his passes? You're tossing out 63% vs. 61% (or whatever it was) as a significant argument...especially when one only started two season and one started four (and the biggest reason Quinn's college average is so low is his poor freshman/sophomore seasons... look at only the last two years for both and they are pretty much identical)?  Ok, then lets compare their highest numbers... Quinn wins because he had a 64.9% as a junior and Frye only had 64.8%. There, don't you feel better that we used a stat to tell us something? How about TD:INT ratio? How about # of Sacks? How about looking at the number of attempts or total yardage? For anyone wanting to solely play the numbers game, if you are fair in what you look at you will find that they are VERY similar in most categories, but there are two in which it really isn't close and that is sacks and TD:INT ratio.... but then again, none of it means diddly because those are college numbers against college teams (and not even the same teams, so there is no direct comparison possible) and it means squat when projecting to the NFL.
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The difference is very little, however, people tend to act like BQ blows Frye away in all departments, when in fact, that is not the case at all. There is no evidence to suggest BQ is any more accurate than CF. That was my point.
And I do realize that college stats mean jack. But unfortunately, numbers are pretty much all you have to go by.
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I don't care who starts, I don't care who plays or when,,, I don't give a darn about the name on the jersey... I don't care about college stats, I don't care who a QB's coach was in College, I don't care who any of them are being compared too, and I don't care what college they played for either. In all honesty, none of that really matters. It's all history.
All I want is for everyone to show up on time for Camp, signed and ready to compete.
Then may the best man win!
RAC says that Charlie has a leg up on the others because he's been a starter here and has experience.. RAC also says that Anderson played himself into the mix. By virtue of where he was selected, Quinn has to be in the mix... and I have no idea where Dorsey stands because you never hear any of the powers discuss him very much.
So, again, may the best man win....
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If you go by a combination of completion percentage and TD:INT, then BQ is superior. A significantly higher number of TD's for no more INTs and the same completion percentage... that tells me that his accuracy is just fine, and better than Charlie's.
But, again, college stats mean nothing and it's not all we have to go on... in 10 days (::knocks wood that Quinn signs by then::) we get to see what really matters, not this Paper War.
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Since only one first round pick is signed in the entire league, does that mean all of the teams except the Bears have failed?
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this post pretty much just says that you want Quinn to start.. you don't really go into depth about any other QB except Quinn... thats weird.. lol
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Lots of my friends and my dad's friends keep asking me who I think should start this season, or who I want to rather... Everytime I respond "Brady Quinn." Not because hes my favorite QB of the bunch or because I want him to go in there no matter what... I have the logic that if Brady Quinn is our starter day one, he completely blew away the competition and even the difference of experience at the pro level couldn't catapult Anderson or Frye past him.
By the way, the day we go Quinn is the day we stick with him, if we go Quinn week one, I would be surprised to see them start any other QB.
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No it means the league has failed to get this rookie situation under control.
At the current rate, a top 5 pick in 10 years will be sure to get an 80-100mil contract without ever stepping onto the field.
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If this is the case, then why did CF have a better overall completion percentage than BQ did in college?
U got me ... how can i argue with that INTELLIGENT, LOGICAL piece of info .... I capatulate ... u win ... Frye's more accurate ... thanks for straightening me out on that ..... 
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I think one stat that speaks volumes (and no,I really don't care for stats much) is Charlies QB rating with Mo at OC verses his QB rating with Davidson as OC. We all have a lot of memories going through our heads with Charlie being the starter. But I think if you break it down while he was playing under the coaching of Mo,you'll see that his overall performance improved and was improving as time went along under Davidson. (accept for the last game when he was playing hurt) Right after DA went 0-3 as the starter.  I think Quinn is the superior QB of the bunch though. The time it will take him to develop at the pro level remains to be seen. But I'm fairly optimistic in that department.
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Romeo has shown he does not like to play rookie early. He started Matt Stewart over Wimbley the first few games of the year, even when it was painfully obvious Wimbley deserved to play. That's why I highly doubt Quinn, Thomas, or Wright are starters in week one. Thomas has a shot, maybe, but the others have no chance.
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I think we'll see something along these lines:
Frye or DA start the season, either guy will:
Play well and this team will compete for a playoff spot.
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Play at last season's level, but not well enough to keep this team in contention for the playoffs.
If there's a QB change during the first 1/2-3/4 of the season it will be DA for Frye or Frye for DA. The initial QB change wont involve Quinn. If Frye or DA fail, the other guy deserves a shot and will get it...unless a trade happens (it's possible)...Jacksonville was hot after Frye on the 1st and 2nd day of the draft, but Savage thought the price was too low. Atlanta has also called Cleveland about available QBs...so....
Once/If the season is lost, Quinn will get spot duty the rest of the season and probably start the last couple games the same way Frye did in 2005. I dont expect to see Quinn before game 12.
Ultimately, I think you'll see Quinn as the long term guy with Frye providing to solid back-up - and the QB position actually being solidified for a handful of years.
Wouldn't that be nice as hell?
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Romeo has shown he does not like to play rookie early. He started Matt Stewart over Wimbley the first few games of the year, even when it was painfully obvious Wimbley deserved to play. That's why I highly doubt Quinn, Thomas, or Wright are starters in week one. Thomas has a shot, maybe, but the others have no chance.
romeo plays them if they beat out the folks already there. wimbley was learning OLB, stew already was an experienced (although crappy ) OLB.
it's not as cut and dry as people say it is.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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This is news to me.
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This is news to me.
the plot thickens.
NY still needs a LT too
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Romeo has shown he does not like to play rookie early. He started Matt Stewart over Wimbley the first few games of the year, even when it was painfully obvious Wimbley deserved to play. That's why I highly doubt Quinn, Thomas, or Wright are starters in week one. Thomas has a shot, maybe, but the others have no chance.
romeo plays them if they beat out the folks already there. wimbley was learning OLB, stew already was an experienced (although crappy ) OLB.
it's not as cut and dry as people say it is.
I don't agree with that...it's the Parcells treatment of playing rookies. Wimbley looked good in preseason, and was outplaying Stewart. Stewart is just a force OLB, and is just an average player out there. I think that showed that Romeo is loyal to his vets...maybe even a bit too much.
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Romeo has shown he does not like to play rookie early.
I don't blame him at key positions on certain units. QB being one of them. I just think that Quinn's the best "talent" of the bunch by quite a stretch. But I don't want him starting day 1.
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I think you can "pencil Thomas in" week 1! And I have my reasons for that. Let's look at some logical possibilities as to "why" Romeo wouldn't "want to start Quinn in week 1".
Rookie? (check)
OL? (check)
Here's my take on it...................................
(Diam you've already blasted me for this once. So I already know how YOU feel about it! You disgree.)
I think THE WORST thing you can do to a rookie QB is "throw him to the wolves". Charlies already BEEN fighting the wolves. So it's a "non issue" doing that to Frye at this juncture.
We have a new O system starting at square 1. I feel that we must let the OL get acclimated to this new system and begin to produce some positive results as a unit BEFORE you throw a rookie QB in there.
The LAST thing we need to see is Quinn getting the crapola beat out of him. Hearing footsteps,getting happy feet and making rushed decisions (bad decisions),is a direct result of such situations. It's far easier to teach you're QB "good habits" to start with,than try to change "bad habits" that develop often times by putting him in a poor situation.
And yes,I think Brady is VERY talented! But no matter how gifted he is,or how you slice it,he's still an NFL rookie QB. So I FIRMLY believe,that permiting the OL to gel and create something that at least "closly resembles" a consistant pocket, is critical to how quickly Brady develops and can be a major contributing factor as to wheather he learns "good habits" to start with or very possibly "bad habits" to start with. Teaching is easier than re-teaching.
So IMO,we must build a "positive environment" for Brady to flourish and develop in FIRST. THEN you play him.
Enter Joe Thomas........................................
Now IF that's what they ARE trying to accomplish,the longer you wait to start Thomas,the longer it will take to effectively produce this "positive environment" for Brady to flourish. It's going to take Thomas a little while to get acclimated. He's a rookie too ya know.
So IMO,the longer you wait to start Thomas? The longer it will take before Brady should start. Keeping Thomas on the bench is totaly counterproductive to the overall goal of the offense. The LT is the main protector of the QB's blind side. He's the guy who is the "most responsible" for preventing your QB from hearing footsteps,getting happy feet and feeling rushed from behind.
So I don't see how anything positive can come this year in our overall development and preparidness for next year by keeping Thomas on the bech,period. He IS the long term solution at LT. And there will be no cohesiveness and familiarity factor in the OL untill Thmas gets some experience.
Wright? I don't have a clue. But if he's kept on the bench,I hope it's not for long. The kids got talent and I'd like to see him start getting his feet wet no later than week 4.
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MAC!
That's right.... 
The MAC is probably just as strong as playing Army, Navy, Air Force, Carolina, Stanford, Michigan State and Purdue.... Even MAC teams try to get several non conference games with at least 2 top 20 teams.... (Michigan, USC, Georgia Tech) Well, there goes the old superior strength of schedule theory....
Plus, we all know that the MAC, has never produced an NFL quality starting QB.....
I'm not a Frye backer, I just hate to see someone "anointed" Savior of the Known World, before he even shows up for his first training camp....
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so U wanna push the "official" coronation back to the day after he reports to training camp??? 
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Clay .. all the fight in the world wont make up for TALENT .... sorry, but its true ...
Your right, I wont argue that one ioda....I just dont want people to think Quinn is just gonna walk in and push Frye aside, without charlie putting up a heck of a fight, we cant disreguard heart & work eithic.
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No, you're not even close to what it says. If this were baseball, you would be a whiff two seconds after the ball hit the catcher's mitt.
I'm one of the few on here that don't really give a rat's ass who the starter is as long it is the one that has earned it. I'm just as fine with Charlie starting as I am with Quinn starting. Ok, I admit it... I hate the idea of Anderson even making the final roster, but aside from that, I don't care who the QB is.
Go back and read it in the context of what it is replying to and you'll see that it is playing Devil's Advocate to the posts pimping Frye using a single statistic.
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I'm one of the few on here that don't really give a rat's ass who the starter is as long it is the one that has earned it. I'm just as fine with Charlie starting as I am with Quinn starting. Ok, I admit it... I hate the idea of Anderson even making the final roster, but aside from that, I don't care who the QB is.
I second that opinion, or is it emotion, or feeling,............oohh hell, whatever it is.....I second it!
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Clay .. all the fight in the world wont make up for TALENT .... sorry, but its true ...
And all your rear kissing of Quinn will not make him a more accurate passer.
Someone above said something about Frye being a 2 year starter. Sorry, Frye was a 4 year starter.
Completion percentages - College Career
63.6% - Frye - (913 completions, 1436 Pass Attempts), 7.7 yards per attempt
58.0% - Quinn - (929 completions, 1602 Pass Attempts), 7.3 yards per attempt
And according to Diam, Quinn had the greatest coach of all-time coaching him.
Let's not forget that Frye completed 64.3% of his passes last year for the Browns. That's the 2nd best completion percentage in a season in Cleveland Browns history.
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Someone brought up TD to INT ratio
TD's accounted for in College
83 - Frye
101 - Quinn
INT's in College
32 - Frye
39 - Quinn
TD to INT Ratio
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The QB could be the best the world has ever seen. But, without receivers that can catch the ball, that QB is worthless. Neither Frye or Quinn had spectacular receivers to throw to. But they still managed to have pretty good completion percentages. Neither Frye or Quinn had grueling divisions like the Big 10 or something like that. So it's hard to tell who's the better QB from these standpoints. These college completion percentages mean nothing, that was then and this is now. Let's move on. Let them battle in Camp, and pray that Quinn is signed on time. Hopefully, the best man wins.
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well Thank God for all us BROWNS FANS hes EXTREMELY ACCURATE then ... *LOL* ...
nice play on words ... TD's ACCOUNTED for ... wonder what the TD's THROWN to int's ratio is .... *LOL* ..
not that it matters as STATS ARE FOR LOSERS and its no coincidence all u ever use or talk about are STATS .... u figure out the correlation ... 
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I see the problem here. Someone with a "Frye crush" is throwing stones at someone with a "BQ crush"! One dwells on the past while one has hope for the future! I'll take the future. CAUSE IT"S COMING!!!!!!
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Stats may be for losers, but its nice to see someone able to back up there claims with some numbers.
Also, what do you judge a player on besides stats? How does a player make it into the Hall of Fame without stats? Why do they keep stats in football? Whats more relevant than stats?
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Someone brought up TD to INT ratio
TD's accounted for in College
83 - Frye
101 - Quinn
INT's in College
32 - Frye
39 - Quinn
TD to INT Ratio
2.59375 - Frye
2.58974 - Quinn
College numbers mean absolutely nothing now. Frye has had his chance to prove himself in the NFL (or at least a chance to show improvement, which he has not). Quinn hasn't had that chance yet. College stats mean nothing. Wait til Quinn has 16 NFL stars under his belt (the same as Charlie), then compare the their numbers at the NFL level.
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Whats more relevant than stats?
Archie Manning ring a bell?
Maybe not.
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A .00401 difference? Wow! You won me over based on that HUGE proponderance of the evidence! To you and Tyler.................... Do you have any stats regarding how well each of their respective OL's played? Sacks,hurries? How many "drops" are credited to their WR's during their college carrers? How about their respective running games? Or are those "non factors" in the views of you guys? THAT'S why stats are for losers. A QB is one guy in an 11 man offense. You may fool some of these kids around here with that stuff. But not people that "know the game". That crap won't flush........................
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