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Graham is very likelable, but I'm not buying what he is selling.

Cassidy not only looked but sounded like an absolute snake. He did nothing to help the odds of his bill passing.

Screwing citizens for a win. Sounding more like Russia every day.

Drip...Drip...Drip

You should really have your doctor look at that for you and your "drippy"

So you guys watched it, what thoughts do you have now?

Please enlighten the rest of us.

And you need to seek an education.

Well "id doned lernt with my edumcation" you should not start a sentence with a conjunction. So there's that Seems like you are getting a little sour.

It was refreshing to see Bernie and Lindsey be friendly with one another.

it's also nice that those two and the senator from minnesota were all in agreement that big pharma and big insurance need to be checked. they are both out of control, and no matter what we do with healthcare, nothing will change unless they reel those two entities in.

which is why i was fine with lindsey going a different direction. obviously conservative still believe in a market based system, and the liberals believed in a more government ran program, but i was happy that there was a consensus on what the problems were and who is responsible.

that debate definitely earned lindsey some respect. his co-sponsor Cassidy, however, is everything thats wrong with congress. he came off as cold and out of touch. it's funny because him and graham are pushing the same bill, yet when they spoke, it sounded like they were talking about two different bills. he came off as a used care salesmen, highlighted by the fact that the guy with his daughter who asked a question looked like he wanted to punch Cassidy in the face when he spoke. he also pushed the tired and false argument of innovation being the reason why cost are so high for big pharma.

this debate definitely pushed me into the single payer camp. Sanders and Klobuchar did an excellent job, and lindsey definitely at least made sense on stage with his bill.

Thanks for the input. I am still undecided as to what is best except I think single payer would be a big mistake for America.

Bernie was the only one who spoke out against the corrupt industry.

So I give him props for that.

I didn't really understand why they needed a debate about this bill seeing as how it's not going to pass. I would rather they have a townhall type meeting about different strategies for dealing with healthcare.

I think the GOP doesn't want to deal with healthcare so they would rather "punt" it to the states. They don't want to lose their corporate donors, and they don't want to deal with voters when their solution fails....so punt it to the states.

I have always thought that healthcare belongs in the States.
The Feds do not deal with the locals like a State Government can.
Being that each State has its individual needs and one size does not fit all, who better to spend the money where it is needed?

I also think debate is good because it adds to future knowledge and discussion.

Many posters here aren't fans anymore so I doubt they even remember what a punt is.

State were in charge before and it was a horrid horrid fail.

What we have now at the Federal level is horrid horrid fail. So, the States win.

Not really. The citizens wont stand for it this time. So Dems will ultimately get their way.

And who better to spend the funds where it wasn't allotted to while cutting heath care benefits and pricing out their citizens that have pre-existing conditions. Yep a win for republican's at the cost of citizens health. Sounding a bit like NK now.

This stuck out to me in your reply, Swish. And I agree, pharma is out of control. And I wholeheartedly agree no matter what we do with healthcare nothing will change. I do disagree with the "unless" part. Pharma is entrenched with BOTH sides of the aisle. They have money for this, and money for that. I do not see either side getting that changed. Too much money flowing in and out.

I truly don't know why people are against states right on this. And I am not being a wise guy, I truly do not. Maybe someone can explain it to me better.

But lets take New York and Kansas. The needs of Kansas is waaaaayyyyy different than the needs of New York, and vice versa. I don't think single payer would work, some do. Why not "punt" it to the states, and let them decide? If CA or NY wants single payer, the state can then implement and provide it with state funds and programs from the states budget. If Kansas does not want single payer, the state of Kansas can then provide alternatives that their people ask for.

The states that refused to start a statewide AHC exchange was a Horrid fail.

Actually this is a good thing that they are talking in a civil manner.

Health insurance/Obamacare/ACA/Graham-Cassidy or whatever you wanna call it will never work and I mean NEVER.. NEVER,Unless both sides work together to get to the solution.

For 6 years now, all we've heard from the GOP is Repeal.. Then it's Repeal and Replace (which happened after the GOP figured out they'd tick too many people off if there wasn't a replacement to go along with it)

If the GOP pushes this one (or one like it) through it will come back to haunt them.

Look at he Dems.. They Rammed the ACA in. And like I said, since then, it's been one fight after another.. nothing getting done.

If the GOP does the same thing now, it will result in the same situation again.

The only way to get a workable system in place is for both sides to quit the bickering and get to work finding a reasonable solution.. That is what we pay them for.

So I'm pleased that they are talking.. Don't know what the end result will be, but it's a start maybe.

On the breaking news, Senate isnt going to vote on this bill because they dont have enough support. Its dead.

ObamaCare wins again!

In this case, I think it's GOP lost again.

The answer isn't on one side of the isle. Until they get this right in their heads, it's going to be one miss after another.,

Wasn't it the GOP that said it was wrong (McConnell I think) for the Dems to push through the ACA?

Doesn't make it right for the GOP to do it now. Next time Dems get the majority, they'll unravel the whatever the GOP puts in... and the story goes and goes.

It's a mistake to not to it in a Bipartisan manner.

It's almost impossible for people to understand how the end result of a bill that kicks tens of millions off of healthcare can be considered a healthcare bill.

Yes, finally the truth about Trump!

Trump and the GOP don't know how to govern! Laughing stocks!

Trump will now go with Bernie's bill, I hear it's extremely popular.

GOP taking one L after another.

honestly, they need to just fix the ACA and move on to other things, because this is just doing nothing but enforcing the idea that they can't do anything right.

They can't fix it because they don't want to spend a dime on working people and the poor! They only want to make the rich richer and protect insurance companies and big pharma!

Every other major modern country in the world has some form of single payer social medicine, cheap or free education, and higher wages... They also have thriving businesses and stock markets. But social medicine, low cost education, and higher wages are not possible in the richest country in the world because we don't have the money!

What a joke.

We are 20 Trillion dollars in debt, we are not the richest country in the world.

Debt is relative and yes we are.

How come people are so quick to point out how much debt we are in when it comes to taking care of our citizens, yet don't say a word about said debt when congress increases defense spending?

All of a sudden we got plenty of cash to throw around.

I never have, Swish.

I think the increase in defense can fixed by not buying 400.00 hammers and cutting subsidies elsewhere, IMO. But I think we would be agree that would need to be an entirely different thread as I can see a lot posters having an opinion on the subject.

I say fire those S.O.B's in the GOP Senate. They're frickin worthless. Hey, who's paying the medical bills for McCain?

Dems didn't figure out healthcare, Reps can't figure it out....fire them all!

Medicaid. You should know it's what you all want to take away. It's what we pay into each paycheck for working all of our lives so when we get to Senator McCain's age and retire we'll have affordable healthcare. But no, you all don't want that do ya?

There's always enough money to spend when the republican's are in the WH. Put a dem in there and the republicans are so tight when they fart garage doors open for miles.

President Trump has just announced he will work with Democrats to try to get a Bipartisan Healthcare Bill passed in January or February.
In the meantime he will be signing executive orders to allow people to get coverage.

More details to come...

Don't arbitrarily link me in with those that want to take Medicaid away. I try to stick with what my favorite comedic genius says, "only a fool chooses a side before hearing the argument" - Chris Rock

pssst medicaid is only for very low income folks. Medicare is what most people get who are retired or on disability.

For all I know, McCain could be going thru the VA.

I don't think its anyones business where McCain is getting treated, we do have privacy laws last I checked.