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Please elaborate or are you just spitting chew again Tex?.

I commend you for that. We are in the same boat. Our Boy Scout Troop sent an Old Dominion trailer full of clothes to Houston. We rented trucks and trailers here in Florida to help clean up. We have plans to help P.R. but it's in limbo cuz we can't get there.

I'd like to see cargo ships transporting power trucks and supplies. The logistics are making these people suffer.

I understand they are focusing on getting some ports open so they can get more help in.

Good luck to all! I have and will continue to send cash.

From an article on Drudge from the conservative National Review-This is worth a reading...

President Trump’s call for NFL players who take a knee during the national anthem to be fired was a troubling assault on free speech — and it put the league in an impossible position. Americans do not and should not worship idols. We do not and should not worship the flag. As a nation we stand in respect for the national anthem and stand in respect for the flag not simply because we were born here or because it’s our flag. We stand in respect because the flag represents a specific set of values and principles: that all men are created equal and that we are endowed with our Creator with certain unalienable rights. These ideals were articulated in the Declaration of Independence, codified in the Constitution, and defended with the blood of patriots. Central to them is the First Amendment, the guarantee of free expression against government interference and government reprisal that has made the United States unique among the world’s great powers. Arguably, it is the single most important liberty of all, because it enables the defense of all the others: Without the right to speak freely we cannot even begin to point out offenses against the rest of the Constitution. Now, with that as a backdrop, which is the greater danger to the ideals embodied by the American flag, a few football players’ taking a knee at the national anthem or the most powerful man in the world’s demanding that they be fired and their livelihoods destroyed for engaging in speech he doesn’t like? As my colleague Jim Geraghty notes this morning, too many in our polarized nation have lately developed a disturbing habit of zealously defending the free speech of people they like while working overtime to find reasons to justify censoring their ideological enemies. How many leftists who were yelling “free speech” yesterday are only too happy to sic the government on the tiny few bakers or florists who don’t want to use their artistic talents to celebrate events they find offensive? How many progressives who celebrated the First Amendment on Sunday sympathize with college students who chant “speech is violence” and seek to block conservatives from college campuses?

Powered by The hypocrisy runs the other way, too. I was startled to see many conservatives who decried Google’s termination of a young, dissenting software engineer work overtime yesterday to argue that Trump was somehow in the right. Yet Google is a private corporation and Trump is the most powerful government official in the land. The First Amendment applies to Trump, not Google, and his demands for reprisals are ultimately far more ominous, given his job, than even the actions of the largest corporations. Google, after all, has competitors. Google commands no police force. Everything it does is replaceable.

In the space of less than 24 hours this weekend, the president of the United States did more to politicize sports than ESPN has done in a decade of biased, progressive programming. He singled out free speech he didn’t like, demanded that dissenters be fired, and then — when it became clear that private American citizens weren’t going to do what he demanded — he urged the economic boycott of their entire industry. He told his political opponents on the football field — men who have defined their lives and careers by their mental and physical toughness — to essentially, “Do what I say or lose your job.” In so doing, he put them in straits far more difficult to navigate than anything Colin Kaepernick has wrought: Stand and they are seen to obey a man who just abused his office, and millions of Americans will view them as a sellout not just to the political cause they love but also to the Constitution itself; kneel and they defy a rogue president, but millions of Americans will view them as disrespecting the nation itself to score political points against a president those Americans happen to like. At one stroke, thanks to an attempted vulgar display of strength, Trump changed the playing of the anthem and the display of the flag from a moment where all but the most radical Americans could unite to one where millions of well-meaning Americans could and did legitimately believe that the decision to kneel represented a defense of the ideals of the flag, not defiance of the nation they love. If we no longer fight to secure the same rights for others that we demand for ourselves, we become more tribal, and America becomes less exceptional. So, yes, I understand why they knelt. I understand why men who would never otherwise bring politics onto the playing field — and never had politicized sports before — felt that they could not be seen to comply with a demagogue’s demands. I understand why even owners who gave millions to Trump expressed solidarity with their players. I understand why even Trump supporters like Rex Ryan were appalled at the president’s actions. I fear that those who proclaimed yesterday’s events a “win” for the president — after all, many of the players were booed for their stance, and in American politics you generally don’t want to be seen as taking sides against the flag — are missing the forest for the trees. If we lose respect for the First Amendment, then politics becomes purely about power. If we no longer fight to secure the same rights for others that we demand for ourselves, we become more tribal, and America becomes less exceptional. I respect Pittsburgh Steelers left tackle (and former Army ranger) Alejandro Villanueva, who — alone among his teammates — came out of the locker room to stand for the pledge while the rest of his team remained off the field. I also respect players who reluctantly, but acting out of the conviction that they will not be bullied by the president, chose to kneel when they otherwise never would. I do not, however, respect the actions of Donald Trump. This weekend, he didn’t make America great. He made its politics worse. When the history of this unfortunate, polarized era of American life is written, whether a man stood or knelt will matter far less than the values we all lived by. Americans who actually defend the letter and spirit of the First Amendment will stand (or kneel) proudly in the history books. Those who seek to punish their political opponents’ speech, on the other hand, can stand or kneel as they wish — so long as they hang their heads in shame.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451697/donald-trump-nfl-protests-why-they-knelt

The word from the Republican Establishment...aka "The Swamp".

Not sure why much of the logistics weren't in order before the Hurricane hit. They had plenty of time. We all knew this was going to be devastating for PR long before it hit and now going on two weeks after Maria and logistics is claimed to be stalling the relief efforts?

The effort in PR took a back seat as the top GOP leadership has criticized, complained, and condemned our sport figures for days now. While American citizens suffered in PR, hungry and in need of shelter. Deplorable

Drip...Drip...Drip

= Dictatorship....

No Thanks.

United we'll stand. Divided we'll kneel

Everything WAS in place, out of the reach of the Hurricane.
Now it has been pouring in. Airplanes can only carry so much as the docks were wiped out.
Please stop politicizing the suffering of the people of PR.

Mayor Jose Sanchez Gonzalez said.

"Hysteria is starting to spread. The hospital is about to collapse. It's at capacity," he said, crying. "We need someone to help us immediately."

The answer...."Get those SOB's off the Field. You're fired"

Ok, gotcha, this is all about politics so I am cutting my donations in half.

Thanks for the heads up.

Rather be deplorable than disgusting, using human suffering that is out of the hands of men to make a point on a message board. I tell you what 40, seems people would rather hate on trump, than lend an ACTUAL hand of support to others. They would rather the whole country die and prove trump wrong, than the country be relieved and trump right. Shame

I have to say, those who supported this protest since its inception have to be awfully frustrated at the direction it has taken.

First of all, the original statement or discussion-- about how minorities are treated by police never really had a very strong relation to the flag and the Anthem to begin with. It was always sort of an odd form of protest for that reason alone, to say nothing about the cause itself or whether or not the protest itself was appropriate or disrespectful to the country.

The actual issue that Kaepernick brought up is rarely even addressed anymore. The discussion has mostly been about the flag, the Anthem, our military, etc. I don't believe anybody has bad intentions by taking the conversation in that direction-- it is only logical really, and it goes back to the choice of protest.

Now we have people hijacking this thread by continuing to push their conspiracy theories about Russia as well as the more reasonable observation that those in Puerto Rico (as well as the U.S Virgin Islands) are American citizens.

They deserve our support, and as somebody posted above, it appears that they have been heavily assisted from fairly early on. It's a worthy discussion in its own right, but how the heck is that even related to the Anthem protests? Be it as it may... but if I were Swish or Clem I would be very frustrated, and rightly so.

Post of the day. Thoughtful, educated, expressed in detail. +1

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.. a week or two is NOT plenty of time to plan for this type of emergency, not even close. You can have all of the plans you want in place early but until you see exactly what the damage is, there isn't a lot you can do.


Like last summer when severe flooding in Louisiana killed 11 and destroyed 40,000 homes? Obama had his morning briefing then went to play golf on Martha's Vineyard. I guess that's because hates conservative states or southerners or whatever.. Simple fact is the US Government has teams of people who are trained to respond in these situations, it's not the President sitting behind a desk calling shots and pulling strings.. it's FEMA and other relief agencies.. Has just about ZERO to do with the person in the oval office (or the golf cart, whichever the case may be)...

Trump is a buffoon, an arse... he has he situational awareness of a water buffalo.. doesn't change the fact that there is really nothing he can do to expedite aid to PR whether he's on the phone or on the toilet tweeting.. it doesn't matter.

Well, here's a thought:
Forcing someone to salute a flag with your boot on his throat isn't patriotism. It's fascism.

This is to be expected from someone as intellectually lazy as he.

When the National Review takes you to task in the same vein as a left-leaning publication, you KNOW you've screwed someone's pooch (most likely your own)

#roomtempIQ
#dolt45

Please take look at the second post in this thread to reveal thy hijacker

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1322381/1

I certainly recognize a buffoon when I read one.

Who was it that approved the great people who run FEMA and the other organizations.

Who is it that orders the Military in to help each of these areas in their hour of need?

Who is it that leads us through 3 major hurricanes, in a month, that have destroyed PR, the Florida Keys, the US Virgin Islands, Houston Texas, damaged parts of Georgia, South Carolina and Louisiana?

Who is it that has been thanked and praised by the Governors of all of those areas for being there when they need him?

Yes DC, the buffoon, arse and water buffalo has certainly shown up in this discussion and it ain't Trump.

This was an ongoing discussion from the previous Anthem Protest thread. He was not the first to derail it; it was more of a continuation.

On that note, these threads get derailed all the time. It is what it is. I just thought you may have gotten a little irritated with how this discussion has evolved. Then again, experience with these threads tells me that an on-topic discussion might be pretty irritating as well.

Did you read that post - Let me point on the part that shows who ACTUALLY derailed the thread. but again, reading is not your best buddy now is it?

"someone stated Trump was neglecting PR disaster."

That someone, would be you.

j/c

And still, those who believe their second amendment rights and the Constitution means everything, drape themselves in the flag to excuse why the first amendment rights of others should be infringed upon. Their fearful leader curses at those he disagrees with and his blind followers fall in line behind him like sheep to slaughter.

Sounds like they need a safe space.

#conservativetears

Ummmmm this all started wayyyyy before trump said anything about it. Remember, Colin Kap. Last year. . . .

People were against it before Trump said anything. But good try in putting it squarely on him. You almost had me!

We understand your wish to defend those who dishonor our Vets, our Flag, our Anthem, and our Nation.

You have used your right to free speech to make this clear.

Everything you say is true.. however, this issue had all but gone away until Trump disinvited Curry to the WH and called those who kneel, SOBs... Seriously, at the beginning of this NFL season, the Browns were the only team being recognized for a protest and they had that worked out with local law enforcement and had actually created a positive path forward...

Then Trump stepped in and the whole thing blew up 100x bigger than it ever was before.

Which leads me to ask the question, are they still protesting the same thing they were protesting before... or are they protesting Trump? Either way, they can protest if they want, it would just be nice to know what they are protesting..

Actually I'm putting the blame on everyone who feels their constitutional rights are somehow more important than the constitutional rights of others.

I'm also blaming them for being blind followers and supporters for every word Trump says without question. Trump is trying to put pressure on people exercising their rights and cursing them in the process. Yet people support such actions.

Trump is trying to dictate how NFL owners run their business. He's trying to apply a negative finacial turn in their business.

And the sheep keep marching behind him.

I support everyone's rights equally. I don't pick and choose whose rights are and are not to be protected. I don't find my second amendment rights more important than their rights to peaceful protest. I don't choose which parts of the Constitution are okay and which ones aren't.

You're putting this on Trump. And that's wrong.

I didn't like Kap kneeling last year.

I didn't like the Browns players kneeling this year.


I'm not "blindly" following Trump, I disliked the kneeling long, long before he said anything.

It's not about trump.

Or, now, is it?

What has changed since Kap started this? Has there been any improvements made or is this all just lip service?

Trump just declared war on it a week ago, have some patience.

I'm putting the divisive rhetoric he used on him. I'm putting the cursing of players that are doing no more than exercising their rights to peaceful protest on him.

You see, the president takes an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United states. Not to attack those who are exercising their rights under the Constitution. So yes, to that extent it is about Trump.

I don't like the players kneeling either. It goes against every Patriotic bone in my body. Where the problem lies is this. Should I attack the rights of everyone I disagree with or should I stand up for everyone's right under the Constitution whether I agree with them or not?

My point is more about how blind people are not to question Trump than Trump himself. I actually expect no less from him.

No argument here on that. I have said before on other post. I disagree with when they are doing the protesting and why, but I agree its their right to do so.

You are right Trump's comments pushed it into high gear, but you stated it was Trump that cause it all, I was just clarifying that was not the case.

and you mentioned the Browns THIS year kneeling, as have just about every team has had some number of protestors doing it just about every game.

To answer your questions, no they are not protesting what it originally started out to be anymore. This past weekend was simply a protest against Trump and his comments. And now that narrative has changed the entire thing. See what he did there? he even took the meaning of the protest away and has changed the entire reasoning of it with a simple tweet. Hes living rent free in a lot of minds.

It's not rent free. We're all paying for it.

So it has taken Trump to Unite the players?

So Kap and BLM couldn't get it done in over a year one weekend and Trump gets all the players united.

That entire post I made, and that's all you could get out of it. More proof in the puddin'

By the way, my 401K has got zonkers since he took office, so at least to this Dawg, I am one GETTING paid.

Trump has called for Patriotism and Respect for America while the players united to say UP YOURS!

It is now on!

I'm about to [censored] some people off but oh well...

I'm sick and tired of all the lies and hate towards Trump. HE'S NOT DIVIDING THIS COUNTRY!

Who is really dividing it?

Blacks are complaining about inequalities but here's some they refuse to acknowledge;

1) Black history month - can you imagine the outcry if white history month was dedicated?

2) BET (Black Entertainment Television) - I want to start WET (White Entertainment Television)can you imagine the outcry?

3) Black Miss America - we already have a Miss America, why do we need another that segregates?

4) Black Spring Break - black people can't commingle with white college students that they need their own? I won't give all black colleges their own line item.

5) BLM - how racist would it be for WLM? How about making it ALM (ALL LIVES MATTER)

6) Try getting food stamps or gov assistance if you're white

Man, I can go all day listing this crap.

My question again is; who is really dividing this country?

None of the issues are getting white people shot nor do you see national protests. Just to mention these issues we would be labeled racists.

Cops ARE shooting blacks at a higher rate than whites but whites still get shot! The problem is cops deal with nothing but that BAD in people. Swish and I were talking about Chris Kyle and his SAVAGE view on the enemy. So it's ok for that situation but not ok for cops to be the same way when that's all they deal with?

The problem is people from all different races tend to associate with their own. Until we start living in the same neighborhoods, go to the same schools etc...we will always be divided.

STOP BLAMING TRUMP and look in the frickin mirror!


40, this is not directed at you personally, I hit quick reply. I should have started with J/C

WET Television

I used to have that channel, until my parents found out and blocked it cause I was spending way too much time in my room.

So it's not about oppression anymore ?

Is anyone doing anything about the SLAVES that are in Africa now? Do any of the African Americans have bloodlines that relate them to those modern day slaves?

You're so blind I'm not sure how you can see to type on your keyboard.

Maybe we should fire some of these blind SOB's! You're fired!

Negative Nancy once again blinded by his hate for Trump.