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Hue Jackson says Browns winning now is 'something you've got to talk to the executive team about'

Updated on September 25, 2017 at 5:59 PM Posted on
September 25, 2017 at 5:16 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/09/hue_jackson_says_browns_winnin.html

BEREA, Ohio -- A day after the Browns lost 31-28 to the Colts to drop to 0-3, coach Hue Jackson subtly reminded folks that they're not necessarily built to win in 2017.

Asked if the Browns can win now, he said, "I think this team can. I think we've got to do some things better and work a little bit harder in making sure that we do some of the detailed things right.

"That question that you just asked, that's something that you've got to talk to (Browns Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown) about, and the executive team.''

A key member of that executive team, Chief Strategy Office Paul DePodesta, acknowledged in March that the Browns "took the team down to the studs'' last season.

And at the start of training camp, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam admitted that the Browns weren't counting on contending in 2017 and eager for that bounty of high picks in April.

"None of us are exactly sure what will happen this year,'' he said. "I know we'll be a better team. So I think 2018 -- and I'm not hedging my bets -- 2018, 2019 you should see a substantially better football team.''

If the Browns took a sledgehammer to the team last year, they're still framing it up this season. They're a work in progress and the youngest team in the league. At some positions, including receiver and defensive back, they don't have near enough talent.

Jackson has fallen to 1-18 in his second year as Browns coach, but he's in the unenviable position of trying to win with an inferior roster. The strain of trying to field a sub-par team for the second straight year was written all over Jackson's face and heard in his hushed tones on Monday.

With the departures of key veterans who could've helped the Browns win such as Terrelle Pryor and Joe Haden, Jackson is being asked to win with players such as 2016 draft picks Ricardo Louis and Rashard Higgins who just aren't there yet. Whether they'll ever be there is up for debate.

Asked if he'd urge the front office to find him some Pro Bowl-caliber players like Jamie Collins before the trade deadline on Oct. 31, Jackson deferred to the executive team, which stood huddled together outside the Browns locker room after Sunday's loss. It included Brown, DePodesta and Vice President of Player Personnel Andrew Berry, the highest ranking football guy in the bunch, but one who's only in his second season with that much responsibility.

"My job is to coach the guys that are here, with our football staff and that's what we're going to do,'' said Jackson. "I'm sure that our executive team is scouring everywhere, looking at who could potentially help our football team. That's what they do, so I'm sure that's being done.''

Painfully aware that a Jeremy Maclin or a Marvin Jones isn't riding in on a horse to save him, Jackson knows he's got to make something of this inferior receiving corps. On Sunday, Kenny Britt, Louis and Higgins caught a combine 6-of-22 of their targets for 27.2%. Overall, the receivers dropped eight passes.

"We've just got to keep coaching them, keep working at it,'' said Jackson. "We've got guys, we've just got to keep doing the little things and doing them better. Again, it's a group that I think comes in here every day to work, and we've just got to continue to take what we do on the practice field to the game field.''

Jackson seems genuinely excited about DeShone Kizer, but also knows it will be long season for the rookie quarterback if he can't find playmakers. The Browns passed on chances to add talent like former first-rounder Maclin, who signed with the Ravens after the Browns didn't bring him in for a visit, and Pryor, whom they didn't want to pay the $12 million a year or so he probably would've signed for. Taylor Gabriel was cut last year and has excelled for the Falcons. Former Bengal Marvin Jones, a Jackson favorite, wasn't brought in for a free agent visit last year.

"We have the group that we have,'' said Jackson. "These guys are working hard and are trying to be the best they can be. We are going to keep working with these guys. We are going to get them better. We are going to make sure that when we go out there our next opportunity that we can go out there and play even better than we did this past week."

It's as if the Browns truly believed some of the four receivers they drafted in 2016 would carry the day. Instead, injury-plagued Corey Coleman is out at least eight weeks with a broken hand, and Louis had a horrible game in Indy, dropping three passes and catching one of six targets for 10 yards.

"At the end of the day, these guys are trying the best they can,'' he said. "What we have to do is continue to put them in situations so that they can have success and get better."

The absence of Haden has also hurt the team. A healthy Haden would've covered the likes of Antonio Brown in the opener and Hilton in Indy. Instead, Brown caught 11 passes for 182 yards and Hilton, seven for 153 with a 61-yard TD.

This week, Jackson's former team, the Bengals, will come to town with a rejuvenated AJ Green and the Browns will have to try to find an answer for him. , During a 27-24 overtime loss to the Packers on Sunday, he caught 10 passes for 111 yards and a TD.

Yes, the Bengals also dropped to 0-3, but they gave a good battle to a team many think will go to the Super Bowl this year.

Suddenly, the "soft stretch'' of the schedule doesn't look so soft anymore with a Browns team that's struggling in key areas.

"None of us like losing,'' Jackson said. "There's a human element we all deal with. Let's be honest, that's there, but this team is very resilient and I think they'll keep working. I know they will. They'll keep coming in here and getting ready to go.

"We've got a big game this week, and I think we all recognize that, but these guys are pros. They understand what their job and they understand what we need to do. But I'm not going to tell you that I don't think about the human side of it. As a head coach, that's something I do have to think through with our football team.''

If 0-3 stretches into 0-4, it will take even more of a toll on a coach who's trying to win with a roster not designed to do that just yet.

lol did he really just pull a Brock?

"ask the gm" lmfao.

train wreck.

I heard the full interview. What the article doen't note is the question that preceded his answer/comment. Specifically, "That question that you just asked, that's something that you've got to talk to (Browns Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown) about, and the executive team.''

Hue was asked a personnel question and deferred to the FO. He was asked about the personnel moves like trading Haden, having a young roster, accumulating draft picks, etc...

The article seems intentionally divisive.

Not saying there isn't stress amongst the FO and coaching staff, naturally there is when you aren't winning, but that was not my take away from the full context of the Q & A with Hue.

I love a good interview with snappy explanations as well as the next losing fan. With that said, does any of the Hue line sound familiar? Because the high sounding coaching assurances do not seem to be making it out of the interview and onto the field game day.

"We will field the current favorites again to repeat the same mistakes each week. Count on drops and penalties with this group as our new normal. Players performing badly will take the field with little improvement, if at all. Be assured, we will repeat our intent is to run the ball; obviously not long on reality. We will not take care of the ball, control what we can, or take it away much. Cheer harder. It will be 2019 in no time.

Just worn out listening to this stuff. Get an OC.

Yup,

I said you could see Jackson's frustration with this front office beginning to show with the whole Haden fiasco...make no mistake that was a shot at the FO...he wasn't saying it to be nice, he was saying:

"They pick the players, and i coach them, the talent level you see if what they picked, i just work here"

thats the jist of what Hue was saying...our Front Office sucks...they are the worst in the NFL in evaulationing talent..no one will win here as long as they are here...Corey Coleman is the type of talent they draft...god luck...

Thanks for putting that in context.

MKC is a terrible reporter, a bad writer.

Thanks - as soon as I read it I was curious what the question he was referring to was...

When Hue sign with the Browns he knew who was going to make the final decisions as far as roster, the front office. At the time he was fine with that.But, this front office has no idea how to draft and if you had to make a decision right now I would fire Sashi and friends. You can't draft WR's that are constantly injure or draft players higher than what they are rated.

Thanks - of course that won't amount to a hill of beans for those that want to take it out of context.

If that's the case, this article is pure BS. It misleads the reader into assuming that the deferral to the executive team was a response to the question about winning this year. Reporters should be fined and suspended when they pull crap like that.

Um. Yeah, pretty sure this isn't the case.

Haslam said in 2018 even is when he expects a big leap.

Read the sentence before. She wrote; :

"When asked if the Browns can win now, he said, "I think this team can. I think we've got to do some things better and work a little bit harder in making sure that we do some of the detailed things right.

"That question that you just asked, that's something that you've got to talk to (Browns Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown) about, and the executive team.''ho asked it, but that doesn't matter.

"When asked if the Browns can win now, ...that was the question some of you are wondering about.

Win the winnable games,that's what we should expect and demand.

Cut the rebuilding crap talk to cover up your ass..

Hue has been incompetent this last games, time to start owning and taking responsibility.

I'm starting to profoundly dislike this regime....

Bad drafting, unprepared teams and bad game management.....

This smacks of team discord. (Jackson diverting the blame)

Hue should take a knee for management injustice.

IMHO, the rumblings of discord are coming from fans and media who set their expectations too high. Hue wants to win, the players want to win, Sashi & Co. want to win, the Haslams want to win, and the fans and media want to win. Everyone on the same page there. The disconnect comes when the fans and media expect to win now, and everyone else knows they're still building. Losing now is disappointing, yes, but certainly not unrealistic. I expect them to play better as the season goes on, but after what I've seen so far, I'm certainly tempering my expectations for the number of wins. Dissension between the FO & HC? Doubtful. Frustration at losing three straight? Certainly.

Which leads to the question: When an organization and a team continually punts success a year ahead, when can the team actually win?

The question was put to Jackson on Monday: In the context of a continual emphasis on youth, the release of certain veterans and the constant emphasis on future drafts which punts success ahead -- can the Browns win now?

"I think this team can," Jackson said. "I think we got to do some things better and work a little bit harder in doing some of the detail things right. I think that question you just asked, I think that's something you have to talk to (Vice President) Sashi (Brown) about, and the executive team."

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-brown...ng-term-rebuild

You obviously were not a fan when Ray Farmer was drafting players. . . . .Or mike Holmgren, or ________

We may not have had that stud player out the gate yet (MG will fill this hole) but the team has done very well in the draft, especially in the mid rounds. Corey Coleman has had some crazy injuries, you cannot hold a FO accountable for that.

It is at least shady writing and intentionally misleads at least some readers. But it is the sensationalized kind of crappy opinion that if you are offensive or controversial, you are interesting. I think it is kind of smarmy at best.

Boils down to the story you want to write without reporting facts. Like if USA Today runs opinion editorials on sports page and treats it like sports coverage. I resent paying for news that gets packaged to suit someone's opinion (read bias) instead of factual reporting. Too prevalent. Baseless opinions are easier by far; pretend that they trump facts and specifics. Much of ESPN is counting on it, and more folks are less content with the talking head content and artificial controversy. What year does all this pay off?

I think the bar has been set much, much lower than most would accept as even decent football, and the underachieving is a constant low without relief. Some of this shouldn't happen in the first place, but how often do we need to see the same dumb fails. We seem to make a big deal about learning from mistakes; I don't see much encouraging me here.

Does anyone expect better this week? I don't know that I can honestly admit to even basic improvement.

The Browns head coach talks with reporters Monday after the Colts loss

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...c7-ba663a6382fe

listen to it lol.

I understand your frustration. I'd expect the "same dumb fails" as you eloquently put it to continue until we get past the second year of a new regime. It's like the definition of insanity. Until we stop resetting every two years, we'll keep seeing the same poor product year two of every new regime, then wonder why they look so bad. Give me one year three and one year four and I'll bet you the teams start looking better. I'm in for the long haul. I don't love everything that the FO and Hue (and Gregg) do, but I'm willing to give them 4-5 years to get this team rowing in the same direction. If we don't, we'll be living the same "Groundhog Days" the second year of the next regime. And the next, and the next, and the next. We have to let this play out.

To answer your question, I expect much worse this weekend, only probably in a different way. I think the Bengals will absolutely destroy us. Right now, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, they are a far superior team. It's going to be ugly, IMHO.

Yes.

Let's think back to the 2006 Tennessee Titans for a moment. They started 0-5 and had inserted a young Vince Young into the line-up. That team finished 8-8. Not saying we will finish 8-8, but I think there's still time to win some games this season and show progress that'll have everyone excited for next season.

Imagine if we were the Jags since they got Bortles: 3-13, 5-11, 3-13, 2-1.

Heads would explode, there would be rioting in the streets. Fans and media would be SCREAMING for wholesale firings.

People did get fired.

This. Jason La Canfora would be proud of it. And proud of the posters thinking the sky is falling quicker and sooner than it really is.

Yes, that's almost like wholesale firings. People got fired here too this year. Not the same thing, though, is it?

will be if we dont start winning..

As I have said before, and I will say again:

Sashi and Depodesa need to GO and we KEEP Hue Jackson.

the talent level on this team isn't even close...and thats 100% on Brown and Depodsta, they make the picks...we won 1 game last year, and none so far this year....being young isn't an excuse, on the contrary younger players are EASIER to teach systems to because they are not biased like veterans to systems they like, and green players are much much more likely to listen to solid coaching.

You can see our players improved in terms of "scheme and strategy" no doubt the 2nd year guys know far more then they did last year BUT the talent simply isn't there.

We may be the least talented team in the NFL now...the Wr position is just god awful...

We need a guy like Scot McCloughan to be brought in here to replace Sashi Brown and Depodesta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot_McCloughan

He was formerly the general manager of the San Francisco 49ers and Washington Redskins, as well as a senior personnel executive for the Seattle Seahawks, helping the 49ers and Seahawks eventually reach the Super Bowl in the 2010s with rosters he helped assemble

This guy has had BIG parts in assembling rosters for two teams that went to Super Bowls....this guy is availabe AND he knows what the hell he is doing! He can fix things here...he can actually get Jackson solid football players and FA instead of moneyball analytic trash.

If Haslam is serious about winning, he hires Scot_McCloughan at the end of the season and sends Brown and Depodsta packing...we need a bonafide real GM more then anything to get things strighted out here on the right track.

And then he gets rid of the guys that we just drafted and drafts new guys and gets fired two years into his rebuild for us to repeat the process yet again.

I can never hear the questions asked. The volume on those mics are so low I struggle to understand the words. Of course, I was using my 65 year old ears instead of switching them out for the younger ones but I haven't yet quite figured out how to do that.

Below is the transcript of that interview. It show quotes Hue word-for-word but paraphrases the questions using less detail. That's where listening to the video can help.


Head Coach Hue Jackson:
Opening statement:
“Obviously, not the outcome we wanted. Our guys continue to fight. We got down 28-7, and I watched a team that just kept going after it. We put ourselves in that spot where we were down, didn’t play as well and did some things on defense in the second quarter. We were able to right those things at halftime and play better on defense. Offensively, we made a few plays early but not consistent enough and then had some turnovers in the second half that would have given us an opportunity to be in a little bit better position. We have to continue to address that and get better at those things. It was disappointing because we wanted to win the game. We wanted to go and win a football game that we thought we had a great chance at. I give Indy the credit. They did a good job. They held us off, and they did some good things. We are going to keep growing, keep getting better and keep coaching this football team.”

On the WR position:
“We just have to keep coaching them and keep working at it. We have guys. We just have to keep doing the little things and doing them better. It is a group that I think comes in here every day to work, and we just have to continue to take what we do on the practice field to the game field.”

On the difference in the Browns defense in the second half:
“I just think we made some adjustments. (Defensive coordinator) Gregg (Williams) and the defensive staff made some adjustments to do some things differently. We didn’t see (Colts WR) T.Y. (Hilton) running as free in the second half as he was in the first half. That was a huge adjustment that we made and were able to get that accomplished. That gave us a chance in the end to have an opportunity to win the game.”

On if there is concern about the psyche of the team:
“None of us like losing. There is a human element we all deal with. Let’s be honest, that is there, but I think this team is very resilient and I think they will keep working. I know they will. I think they will keep coming here and getting ready to go. We have a big game this week, and I think we all recognize that, but these guys are pros and they understand what their job is and they understand what we need to do, but I am not going to tell you that I don’t think about the human side of it. As the head coach, that is something I do have to think through with our football team.”

On if the next two games at home feel crucial:
“I think for us, every stretch is crucial. Obviously, being here at home is good for us, playing Cincinnati and then I am just going to take this thing one at a time. That is what I want our team to do, but this is a big game for us this week because this is the game we are in, it is here at home and it is a division opponent.”

On if the Browns can win now, given the team’s youth and transactions appearing to point more toward the future: * (See very end of post for more detail)
“I think this team can [win]. I think we have to do some things better and work a little bit harder and make sure that we do some of the detail things right, but that question that you just asked, I think that is something you have to talk to (Executive Vice President of Football Operations) Sashi (Brown) about and the executive team.”

On if he hopes Brown and the personnel team will make an impactful trade, similar to the acquisition of LB Jamie Collins Sr. last season:
“My job is to coach the guys that are here with our football staff, and that is what we are going to do. I am sure that our executive team is scouring everywhere looking at who could potentially help our football team. That is what they do so I am sure that that is being done.”

On if there were signs the Browns run offense is improving:
“Yeah, I saw the first play of the game – ran for 10 yards. That was huge, and I saw some other runs a couple times pop through. I thought (RB Isaiah) Crow(ell) was hitting it extremely hard. When you get behind like you do, again the game changed. That is part of it. We are going to do everything we can to win the game. As I said before, it is not just the running game or the passing game. What do we think it takes to win? You get down 28-7, the game changes. We had to play the hand we were dealt and did some things to get back in the game, but we can’t be playing from behind, that far behind, and think, ‘here comes the run game.’ You have to do what you need to do to get your team back in the game.”

On if the offensive pass interference penalties against the Browns were valid:
“We will see. We will petition the NFL and see what they think. I think some of them were things that we need to understand better, but I will be interested to see how they saw it.”

On if he talked to the officials about the offensive pass interference calls:
“Oh, I have talked to the official.”

On if he talked to Browns players about the offensive pass interference calls:
“I have talked to our players. I have talked to the official. I talked to everybody involved. These are not new plays. These are the same things we have been running since training camp so I am not going to sit here and tell you that our players are at fault. I would like to, like I said, get the ruling back from the league and see what they say because some things I don’t agree with. The players knew, ‘Make sure you watch it’. We had another play right down in the scoring zone where the ball with right over Crow’s head where (TE) Seth (DeValve) was running right down inside. Same play, we didn’t get called. It looked the same to me. There was no call at all. I think our guys were definitely on top of it once they had been called a couple of times, no question about it.”

On perception that DB Jamar Taylor may not have given full effort for the entirety of Colts WR T.Y. Hilton’s 61-yard TD:
“Jamar is a captain on our team, and he is a captain for a reason. I know Jamar extremely well, and I don’t think he was trying to give up or not play hard or any of that. I think for a second there maybe somebody felt like the guy was about to be down and be out of bounds. I think there are some things that he will do differently as we go, but to say that he wasn’t trying as hard as he could, I didn’t feel that or see that.”

On the psyche of the fans, given the lack of wins and demonstrations during the National Anthem:
“You said the first thing, winning. That is what I can control, the winning part of it. I think our organization did a great job yesterday of putting a statement out about how we felt about that. I’m going to leave it at that. We spoke on it. I support what we feel and what we have said about it, and I will leave it at that.”

On if he likes Kizer taking responsibility for the loss:
“There is a part of that I do want him to assume because I think he knows the buck starts and stops with him, but I also recognize – he does, too, and it is my job to show him – that everybody plays a role in it. It is not just him. He has to do his part, and he has to do it better. We have turned the ball over quite a bit the last several weeks, and we can’t do that if we want to win football games. That is part of something that we are talking about all the time. We have to take care of the football, and we have to get more turnovers away from the other team’s offense. I do get that. He is a guy that wants to make sure that he is out in front and wants to handle things correctly, but I don’t want him feeling like everything is on his shoulders. He has to do his part and do his job better, but we all around him have to do our job better, too.”

On if Kizer’s decision making is the source of turnovers:
“I don’t think it is poor decisions. When I look at it, I think he has to understand the situation and where the people are so the decision is not what it is. The ball is going to the right person. The ball is just not in the right spot more so than anything. It is not decision related. It is probably accuracy more, making sure that the ball goes at the right person at the right time. I will say this, the one in the scoring zone, it is time on task with a guy in a spot that maybe he should have been in a little different spot. You think he is going to be in a place, and that is what we have to fight against. We just have to continue to work in sync together so that those guys are always on the same page.”

On considering the opportunity to kick a FG to pull within one score late in the game rather than going for a TD:
“Absolutely. We needed a touchdown and a field goal. We needed both. How they were going to come, we were going to take them, but we had a chance at that time obviously to score a touchdown, and that is what we did.”

On if WR Kenny Britt should have caught the pass that led to Kizer’s second interception:
“I don’t want to get into if he should or shouldn’t have. My thing is if there is an opportunity to make a play for our quarterback, let’s see if we can make it. I think that is what is important. I think Kenny tried as hard as he could but he wasn’t able to make it. The one thing we know in this league is tipped balls don’t find the ground. They find other teams. We have to find ways to make the plays, find ways to throw it a little better and all of those things. We have to work better together.”

On how the team finished from an injury report standpoint:
“Good. There are no new injuries to report. Obviously, (LB) Jamie (Collins Sr.) is still in concussion protocol. (WR) Sammie (Coates) with the hamstring, we will see where that is and see how that progresses this week. (DL) Myles (Garrett) is doing better so we will find out more about him this week, as well, but outside of that, there is nothing new to report.”

On if Garrett is expected to practice this week:
“We will see. We will see.”

On if he can maximize production from WRs with the personnel in the position group:
“We have the group that we have. These guys are working hard and are trying to be the best they can be. We are going to keep working with these guys. We are going to get them better. We are going to make sure that when we go out there our next opportunity that we can go out there and play even better than we did this past week.”

On if he was surprised WR Ricardo Louis did not perform as well Sunday:
“At the end of the day, these guys are trying the best they can. What we have to do is continue to put them in situations so that they can have success and get better.”

On if RB Duke Johnson Jr. is getting enough touches or if there needs to more effort to get him the ball:
“More of an effort (laughter)? Trust me, that is because you guys see him making a bunch of plays. ‘Let’s give him another 10 opportunities’. I get it. We are trying. I think the other team knows he is a guy who is making plays so they are going to do everything they can to take him away. Duke has done a good job, made some huge plays yesterday and is working at it. He will continue to make plays for us.”

On limiting penalties:
“The OPI calls were different. Those were some different penalties. We had another personal foul penalty that was kind of close. I think you guys saw the late hit on the quarterback. I thought that was kind of different and questionable. I think our guys are trying within the rules. We talk about the rules and what you can and can’t do all the time. We just have to coach it better and our players have to understand it better because there are some things that I think are really borderline and on the edge that I think we are getting called for that we have to understand better.”

On if the team discusses an officiating crew’s tendencies prior to the game:
“We take the team through it on Friday. We show them who the crew is and exactly what they have called and what their crew is known for calling. We try to give them an idea of what is coming. We were kind of well outside of the scope of things yesterday, that is for sure. We will continue to do that, continue to educate our players on what the crew is looking for and see if we can get better as well.”

On DB Derrick Kindred’s penalty:
“When he jumped offside? That is a concentration penalty. At the end of the day, you have to do that better and understand the situation. That can’t happen.”

On DB Jabrill Peppers disappointment following Sunday’s game and if his role in the defense is a factor:
“About him being as deep as he is? No, we are not concerned. I think if you see any of our players down after the game it is not because of the style of our play; it is because of losing. I think that is what it is more so than anything. Our guys go out to every game with the expectation of winning and want to win. I would be disappointed if he wasn’t disappointed after the game. I don’t think that has anything to do with how well he played or how deep we played him or anything like that.”

*I listened to that question as closely as I could. I heard no mention of Haden. I could not make it out enough to transcript it but there were two parts to the question. One part was alluding to the difficulty of winning due to the FO releasing veterans and also "punting wins into the future" by trading down their draft picks into the next year, [which they did both in 2016 and 2017], and then asking, "Can this team win now?" Hue answered the question regarding "can this team win now" and he deferred the draft and player personnel part of the question to Sashi.

I don't think Hue was pulling a "Brock" in passing part of that question to Sashi. Nor do I think it was in any way exposing a rift between HC and FO. I feel that was a completely fitting way to answer as Hue can address winning, because that is something that is under his control, but it is not his place to address the overall plan when Sashi could explain that much better, (i.e. talking a lot without really answering the question )

Your plan is for Haslam to hire Scot McCloughan? A man who lost jobs with 49ers and Seahawks due to his drinking problem. A man who was fired suddenly from the Redskins this past offseason because his drinking problem allegedly returned. What could go wrong?!?

There is a reason he is still unemployed.

Maybe he and Josh Gordon could do keg stands in the breakroom!

Isn't close to what exactly?

And how do you know who "it's on?"

And for everyone who keeps mentioning how far behind in talent, just how far behind are we? Where are we lacking the talent that says this should be a winless or 1-15 team?

What exactly are we missing? What players at what positions do we need that would make us so much better?


If anything I'm more concerned with the coaching than the front office. These close games that are lost are only 1 or 2 poor coaching decisions away from being a victory. I'm not saying fire anyone, and I'll echo what Hue says, everyone needs to get better.

In my opinion, we are ridiculously lacking in positions that operate in space. Receivers and secondary. In my opinion, if we had better, pro-caliber players at these positions we would have won that last game and nobody would be talking about Hue's coaching.

I also have the front office on a hotter seat than Hue and any other coaches. Once again, that is my opinion.

I don't see the big issue here. Candor isn't something I disapprove of.

The FO gathers the talent and the coach coaches that talent. If you ask a coach about signing talent or drafting talent, he defers to the people whose job it is to do that.

People who draw anything more from that are creating their own commentary.

So basically whomever we would hire has what, a year and a half to put out a winning team?

That is, after they (obviously) purge the entire roster again. Because (obviously) none of the players the current FO have gotten are any good.

I'm sure you'd have people lining up for that job.

"Come to Cleveland, where if you don't win literally right away, you'll get replaced!"

That was a typo on my part.

I'm not necessarily saying we have the right front office in place, this is more of devil's advocate at play...

I hear all this talk about the front office not bringing in talent, they need to go, we need to keep Hue and fire everyone else... but what game can we point to and say, you know what, we outcoached that team but we just didn't have the talent to win?