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Is finding individuals with some shallow sense of moral outrage your hidden talent?

This is all about Cops shooting Blacks and Cops being racist, right?

I was wondering why we don't see Cops shooting Black women at traffic stops?

Is it because they pull over, provide their license and registration and then get on about their business?

In the spirit of Social Activism Month, I will take a knee for people turning a simple traffic stop into a life and death situation by acting like a nut.

Not during the Anthem though.

There are more blacks killing blacks than cops killing blacks. But you won't see that being protested!

do you have a source for that?

You were not hard to find at all.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/

All that kneeling ignores the real cause of soaring black homicides

The FBI released its official crime tally for 2016 on Monday, and the data flies in the face of the rhetoric that professional athletes rehearsed in revived Black Lives Matter protests over the weekend.

Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide victim total to 7,881. Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population.

The increase in black homicides last year comes on top of a previous 900-victim increase between 2014 and 2015.

Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks.

In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The paper categorized only 16 black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest.

Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers — committed vastly and disproportionately by black males.

Among all homicide suspects whose race was known, white killers of blacks numbered only 243.

Violent crime has now risen by a significant amount for two consecutive years. The total number of violent crimes rose 4.1 percent in 2016, and estimated homicides rose 8.6 percent.

In 2015, violent crime rose by nearly 4 percent and estimated homicides by nearly 11 percent. The last time violence rose two years in a row was 2005-06.

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect. Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 a.m., many officers are instead just driving by.

Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January 2017. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police — including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes.

The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

that's odd because:

Surprised? White supremacists (also referred to as “domestic terrorists” and “right-wing extremists”) have been responsible for more than 73 percent of deadly terrorist attacks in the U.S. since 2001. In that same 15-year span they’ve also killed 34 police officers, compared to 10 from left-wing extremists (including the five officers killed within minutes of each other in Dallas), and one from a domestic jihadist terrorist

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2...-wingers-k.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat...b171e4#comments

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-...aw-enforcement/

and here's the official study:

http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

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so crazy white conservatives account for more police deaths than black people.

let's see you spin this one. should be good.

the more y'all post, the more ignorant y'all look.

and the feds are investigating extremist right winger infiltrating law enforcement for a while now.

how come you never post stuff about that, haus, 40, vambo, eve, day, daytna, willie?

so quick to blast us, but won't post stuff like this.

why?

hmm, i think i know why....

Maybe because White terrorists are bad and kill people like terrorists are supposed to.

We don't turn simple traffic stops into nightmares by acting like nuts and then kneel on the Flag during the Anthem because we are sick of the Cops cracking Nuts.

If Y'all start doing stuff worthy of getting shot for that would be one thing, but no, acting like nuts is why y'all get shot. Then you turn around and ruin the NFL for the rest of us over acting like nuts.

worthy of getting shot.

like what? laying down on the ground with your hands up trying to calm an autistic patient down and explaining to the cops the situation?

that's worthy of getting shot?

getting popped in the back 8 times, then have the taser dropped by the body to make it look like he reached for his weapon.

that's worthy of getting shot?

i can go on and on and on.

but the FACT remains. people like you never post about your own doing crap like this, even though you account for more police deaths than blacks, yet will find a source quick fast in a hurry about black people doing wrong.

all that tells us minorities is that you guys are lying through your teeth when you claim that you only judge people by character, not skin tone.

we're all equal.......right up until it's time to defend the rhetoric, then that crap goes straight out the window fast.

this 4 time combat vet supports the nfl players kneeling.

if you think the nfl is ruined, then don't watch. go watch golf or croquet

Look, nobody ever denied there ain't bad cops out there or cops who shouldn't be cops but come on already, you ain't got a license so you twirl around in a 3000 pound vehicle almost running people over and then get shot over a $50 fine?

You can do better.

As far as us complaining about our own doing bad stuff, well when we do bad stuff it is usually really bad and everyone is glad we got dead over it.

Y'all keep leaving this question mark over woulda, coulda, shoulda because you act like nuts and then blame cops for getting scared. Stop scaring the cops, they got guns.

Just do what they say and go home mad, like the rest of us.

You asked for a source for blacks killing more blacks than police do, which is obviously true. You could pull up the data on google yourself. Succinctly: several thousand blacks killed by blacks every year, several hundred blacks killed by police officers every year (the large majority of the deceased were armed and dangerous. The ones in dispute make up a small minority of these several hundred.)

You didn't like what that NYPost article had to say so you had to deflect with what is some really bad maths (including the typical mistake: using per capita rates or total rates depending on which is more favorable to your argument.)

You're also nitpicking by talking about white supremacists specifically, who account for the killing of 34 police officers in the last 15 years (I am going to trust your data on this.)

That is awful, but I wonder why you started talking about that specific angle. We weren't even talking about white or black supremacists. In any case, anybody who ambushes and kills a cop is despicable... white, black, or green.


Source on this? Even if true it's probably close, but again it's not factoring into per capita rates. There are about five times as many whites as blacks in this country and it appears the number of cop killers are slightly higher for whites. But that's kind of a disingenuous argument from you when black males are 6 percent of the population and make up 42% of cop killers. You don't see an issue with that?

There's also much inconsistency in how the data is gathered and classified in regards to race and specifically what 'white' means, e.g. some data includes Hispanics and others do not. Sometimes it even includes Northern African/Middle Easterners and some other groups that I can't recall off the top of my head. In the interest of intellectual honesty, you have to try to be consistent in how the data is used and applied.

I thought the NFL was ruined a long time ago. Greedy owners, entitled players, inept team, lousy product with too many commercials.

My NFL viewership steadily dropped for ten years or so and that was before the Anthem protests really started picking up but those just confirmed my already held view of many of the players.

Isaiah Crowell posted this on his Instagram last year, right around the time that a black supremacist in Dallas specifically targeted and murdered 5 white police officers:

Click (the uncensored version of a black clad man slicing a police officer's throat): http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/12/14/36320C0900000578-3686323-image-a-1_1468328589237.jpg

BS.

everytime y'all do some crap, it's "oh he was bullied" or "oh, he had a mental illness"!!!

i already gave you the sources bro.

if you didn't click the links and actually read it. that's on you, not me.

but i gave hard evidence that countered your post. and then i gave a rebuttal with mine.

thats how debates work.

if you're not gonna bother to read the sources, then why comment? you already came into this discussion willingly ignorant of the facts for no other reason than laziness.

step your game up.

What facts have I posted that are incorrect? Be specific.

General observation, not always true but often is.

Right-wing violence is often committed by a rogue lunatic who is crazy. I mean that literally, as in they've been diagnosed with some mental illness or probably should have been. You can often see it in their eyes.. it's a harrowing look.

Left-wing violence is committed by groups of people who are not crazy, at least not in the medical sense.

who said they were incorrect?

the problem is once again you can't stay on topic and continue parroting a false narrative.

the convo isn't about black on black crime. you keep deflecting to that when that isn't the conversation.


Vambo SPECIFICALLY said blacks kill more cops than vise versa. you then came with a link that DIDN'T support that evidence.

i did.

my links specifically showed that right wingers were responsible for more deaths of law enforcement over a specific time period than blacks.

you're link only accounted for year. here's the part of your link:

Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

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i came with a link that countered that. again, if you willingly choose to not read the sources i provided, one stating the FBI investigating white supremacist infiltration law enforcement, and the other showing the stats of who kills cops the most, then why should i conitnue conversing with you?

so why do you continue focusing on sources that mainly talk about black on black crime when that ISN'T the discussion?

black on black crime is NOT A REASON for cops to target us indiscriminately.

unless your argument is that it's ok to be racist against a group based on crime rate within the demographic?

Thats not what Vambo said. You might need your eyes checked.

so is black on black crime a reason for cops to shoot us indiscriminately?

eve, if white people shoot up schools, is it wrong for me to be racist against whites based on that? or do you thin i'm right to dislike them?

keep deflecting to black on black crime when that isn't what the protest is about.

No, that would be racist.

You missed the point entirely dude.

We are wondering why blacks spend soôooooooooo much time protesting and pointing fingers at cops and white people.

When you all say NOTHING about the massive amounts of black on black crime, and blacks dying at the hands of other blacks in your own neighborhood?

It makes you a joke with no credibility. Its like dude, instead of fighting the cancer killing you, you go to the Dr to treat a sore throat.

Come back to us when you want do deal with real issues.

so then why is black on black crime being used as an excuse for people to use as a reason for indiscriminate cop shootings?

whites kill more whites than any other demographic kills whites. so if a black cops shoots an unarmed white guy based on those stats, he's in the clear?

that's wrong from both sides. the black on black crime argument when it comes to the discussion of cops and black people is tired and false.

Yeah actually it kind of was. Allow me to refresh your mind:



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Fake news! Vambo said blacks kill more blacks than cops kill blacks, which is true. It's hard to pin down the exact numbers as it varies year by year but it's usually true by about a factor of 10. And again, those "police kill blacks" statistics are even misleading in their own right, because that number includes the large majority of killings where the deceased was armed and dangerous.


More fake news! Your post said that right-wing extremists/white supremacists killed more than left-wing terrorists, something that is likely true. However, those specific categories only account for a small number of police killings. For example, the vast majority of black on police killings are not counted as left-wing extremists!


When you read words like "more likely to be", you're often in the realm of per capita statistics. So say 320,000,000 million people with a little over 200,000,000 whites and 40,000,000 blacks. 1,000,000 or so police officers, of any race. Comparing numbers on a 1:1 basis is thus often gives one a warped perspective of things.

I'll have to read more into the white supremacist infiltration into law enforcement. I would like to find a more impartial source than theintercept, though.


You asked for a source and I posted an article that thoroughly addressed your request. I can't help it if you don't know what basic concepts like per capita and "x times more likely to" mean.

Youre trying really hard to sweep black on black crime under a rug.

this is EXACTLY what i'm talking about.

how many times do i have to point out that we DO protest black on black crime, and gang violence.

how many times do i have to post about the million man march. or the marches al sharpton has done to bring awareness to gang violence?

and yet how many times with YOU continue to ignore what i say on that? you, 40, haus, vambo, constantly ignoring the post when i bring it up.

i've said this multiple times and you STILL claim we don't do anything. like i told haus, you are willingly ignoring facts because it doesn't line up with your beliefs.

it doesn't matter what i say or the proof i bring. you guys are stuck thinking we don't care about black on black crime.

that sucks, but this board is proof as to why race relations hardly ever improve in this country.

I never said those things.
I am the one who said if its a race issue, why ain't Black women getting shot.
I am the one who said it is a acting like a nut over a stupid traffic stop issue.

there you go attacking sources again.

i provide you proof and you go "well i need to look into more cause the intercept"

but i'm suppose to take your source as gospel? kick rocks.

all you do is trash black people on a regular.

I have never seen you once EVER start a thread about black on black crime, EVER! You NEVER talk about it unless it gets put in your face.

The black community is the same way.

Lots of finger pointing at cops and whites, and not at the crime in your own community.

I never see it in this forum. I never see it in the local news. I never see it in the National news. I never read about it anywhere.


But you all sure as hell want to cry and cry about cops and white people.

No credibility!

Man is your head messed up straight up lie I posted...



Where does it say anything about blacks killing COPS?

why do i need to start a thread when every morning when i checked the board people like you ALREADY started one?

you get that right?

Haus can't shut up crying about BLM. it got to a point on this board that y'all was making threads about it at least once a week!!

and put in my face? lady i LIVED that crap everyday for the longest. i know you was too busy cutting yourself in the back of your moms minivan listening to emo music in suburbia cause your parents dont understand you, but i've LIVED in the hood and dealt with these issues.

y'all do way more crying about black people than i do about white people. and i've made multiple threads trying to discuss issues that affect y'all compassionately, while all you guys on this board do is make threads trashing black people just to trash us.

All I've done is post facts. If you think that means I bash black people on the regular then maybe you need to do some soul searching.

You don't have to take my source as gospel. You can go to the FBI page on which the info is based and check it out for yourself. All you have to do is type a few simple phrases into google or duckduckgo. Intentional homicide by race could be one such search.

Murder and other violent crime is actually increasing again. I'm not sure if I have the energy to get into this specific angle but guess where it is hitting the hardest?

Really, because you cry about white people all day and night on this forum.

You lived it, then you should be talking about it. Not hiding it and pointing fingers at white people and cops.

You all would rather push your problems in the closet and point fingers at others than deal with them. Its about time you all sacked up and dealt with it.

You all should be embarassed. Its half the reason why I roll my eyes so hard at your "civil rights" issues.

we are talking about it. the hell are you talking about? like seriously?

you're completely clueless.

I doubt I was making threads about BLM once a week but there was a time where I'd trash them pretty regularly.
That much is true. I do not like how their false rhetoric gets people killed and I do not like how many of their protests have devolved into destructive riots and blocking freeways for hours at a time.

Is that a peaceful protest? What do you tell the guy in the back of the ambulance that can't get to a hospital? What do you tell the child at home who is hungry because her parents have been stuck in traffic for the last five hours?

What do you tell the thousands and thousands of people who had, at the very least, their days ruined? Some probably lost their jobs. At best you're stuck on the freeway for five hours, wondering when the mob is going to surround and start smashing your car. Ridiculous.

Yeah, as you can tell, I'm not a fan of all that. Some of the riot footage I've posted is really pretty awful... I can understand how you would be offended by me posting it.

We are talking about it because the white people brought it up.

Not you. Mr finger pointer.

People are asking why are the players kneeling about blacks killed by cops and not kneeling about blacks killed by other blacks which is a greater problem?

Will the players protest this...

National Statistics

More than 19 million Black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in our country.

Black women have a significantly higher abortion rate than Whites and Hispanics.

35.6% of all abortions in the U.S. are performed on Black women, however, Black women make up only about 13% of the female population.

African-Americans are no longer the nation’s largest minority group. Today, Hispanics have outpaced Blacks in population growth.

For every 1,000 live births, non-Hispanic Black women had 420 abortions. Non-Hispanic White women had 121 abortions /1,000 live births.


Maybe instead of kneeling some of these men should stand up and be fathers / dads.

https://rtl.org/outreach/

BGM > BLM

love this.

3 white people gotta gang up on the one minority, and i'm still schooling yall.

too easy

Thats what happens when you post at night.

You get ganged up on.
Then you smoke weed.
And you become delusional about schooling people.

lol