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Less time concentrating and execution of this...




More time concentrating on the game and executing plays!

let's see ...

- We had costly turnovers
- We had a myriad of penalties, even by our standards
- We dropped double digit passes
- Our secondary was a sieve

YOU PLAY TO LOSE THE GAME!

Wait, did I get that mixed up?

Yeah, only your rights matter.

Their rights don't win football games...it's what they are paid millions of dollars to do.

Their rights don't lose football games either.

No, but they can lose me. I tune-in to watch football not be inundated with their political opinions. I watch football to get as far away from that crap as I can. It's hard to focus on the game with all the political talk. They're disrespecting the game as much as anything else.

yep, time and a place. and at your JOB, that millions of people pay for, is not the place...with this 24/7 news, connected world we live in, they can talk about any issue they want on their own time

Well this is kind of in response to both of you.

I don't agree with the way they are expressing themselves or the fact they're doing it at the game I love to watch. So to that point I certainly agree with both of you.

However, even with the people I disagree with, I feel compelled to stand up for the rights of everyone to have the freedom guaranteed to all of us under the Constitution. I don't feel we can put a time or place to infringe on those rights no matter if I agree with their message or not.

Now I do understand the feelings you both hold, but I have no intention of allowing a silent protest lasting all of two or three minutes before the game even begins, to ruin the game for me.

I understand if you don't share my feelings, but maybe we need to look at who blew this all up to the level it has become.

... of course its trumps fault .... do u even know theres a bouncing ball, much less where it is? ...

PS. There at work ... they don't have the right to do what they want at work ... no one does ... I blame the nfl (Goodel and the owners) for this ...

I could care less what the players do ... they can crap all over the flag as much as they want ... instead of maybe focusing on the ACTUAL PROBLEM and the fact their alledgedly working with the communities and the police to bring them together ... thats what i care about ... how about we focus on that instead of a bunch of overpaid spoiled a-holes doing something appalling to 1/2 of us ......

U want to unify the country ... get the hell up off your knees and lock arms with your teammates and the refs and the chain crew and whoever the hell else your around ... HOW ABOUT MAKING THAT THE PROTEST instead of just peeing half the country off ... what is the goal here ... for these a-holes to look good and feel like there doing their part by kneeling and DIVIDING US or by lets say wearing a black glove and interlocking arms to show unity ...

Why does crapping on the flag have to be the protest? ... i don't get it ... theres more than one way to skin a cat and this is the stupidest most useless way to skin this one ...

I need someone to tell me exactly how kneeling and peeing half the country off is UNIFYING? .. it sure don't sound like its unifying to me ...

There making half their customers mad ... sounds like a smart move to me ... ...

simple solution.

stand up and place your hand over your heart during the anthem.

you want to send a message of unity for the country and bring attention to it?

fine, cancel the halftime music and dancing and use that medium for it.

you can then be creative in your message of unity, as it will be on tv for millions to see.

show videos on the giant screens supporting unity, players from both teams can then go out and kneel and pray before the halftime ends. (after halftime meeting and adjustments are made) etc. you get what I am saying

And it won't be by kneeling before the game starts.

that's what I would suggest

Now for the topic at hand...

start Hogan.

What about the FANS RIGHT to get what they pay for?
Paying for a relaxing afternoon of their choice of sporting event without being bombarded with political point of view of employees.

Call a press conference on their own time and protest all day!

that is the best way to go.

exactly that.

that fox news guy was trying to pick a fight...frickin' sad.

Yeah, the owners shouldn't have a say in how they run their business. And you guys say the Dems cry about safe spaces? You guys are whining over something that doesn't even effect the game you claim to love.

Talk about making a big deal out of nothing. Just like your fearful leader. lmao

It appears the people that pay them don't have a problem with them expressing their first amendment rights.

U ever watch any of your brothers die in front of your eyes from enemy fire?

Get back to me about this being a big deal about nothing after you have ...

You just took talking out your ass to an entirely new level ...

I thought that our troops fought for the rights of all Americans. I've seen many of them say that. My father who is a veteran taught me that.

You either believe in the Constitution and all of the rights contained there in, or you don't. Quit wrapping yourself in the flag to make excuses why your rights are more important than theirs.

To me that's when the constitution is the most important. When it actually gives rights to people even when you think they're wrong. If we always thought the rights protected by the Constitution were right, we wouldn't need the constitution to guarantee us those rights.

Now I do understand what you're saying about political protests, but these guys aren't marching or actually say anything at all. I'm not sure how kneeling quietly before the game even begins is being blown up into this huge deal about political protests.

I think it's simply that people don't agree with their message and it upsets them. So they want to make up excuses why they shouldn't be able to express themselves.

Just as a clarification: the Constitution does not give Rights. The Rights within the Bill of Rights are deemed as "God-given"; inherent to all citizens upon birth, and the purpose of the Constitution is to limit the government's ability to strip away or interfere with those Rights.

All I see is how it is affecting a game that I love to watch ...

I've always found that the best way to learn is from first hand experience ...

Where did i say my rights are more important than someone else's? .. quit MAKING STUFF UP ... you've always been better than that, at least u used to be ...

I hate people that burn the flag ... despise them .. think there POS ... but i would defend there right to do it til the end of time .... i don't talk out both sides of my mouth like u and yours ... i don't make crap up either ...

What makes the player's quest a failure is that they used the flag and anthem, (Kap's lead), as a vehicle to get their message across. The reason their attempt is a failure is that the main media, sports shows and social media have blown-up talking about this 24/7, but do you hear anyone of them talking about the issues? No. They are talking about the players, the NFL, Trump, the flag and the National anthem.

The intent was to bring attention to the issues of social injustice. Instead it has brought the attention squarely upon themselves with everyone arguing about whether or not they should have done it at all. Nothing is being helped. Nothing.

They should not have attached their "protest" to the flag and anthem. That just started a firestorm that has accomplished nothing other than, once again, dividing people into distinct groups who are fighting each other instead of bringing people together.

George Soros is peeing his pants in glee.

Yep. The issue has become the protest itself, not what's being protested.

And herein lies the problem. People are so certain of their opinions. I served. Six years. I also have the right to protest in any peaceful, effective manner I see fit. And so do you. What you do not have the right to do is to determine what is right and what is wrong. You have the right to feel any way you see fit, and I will protect that right until I die. That, however, does not mean that you are correct, sir. It is merely your opinion, which matters no more or no less than anyone else's. When you learn that, you may learn tolerance. "Pastor".

^ Exactly this. Try this: Police, stop shooting unarmed citizens. Period. You do not have the right to do that.

I will say that the effectiveness of the protests cannot be ignored. While a great percentage of the population has misunderstood the concept of protest, ignored the fact that standing for the national anthem is a choice not a law, and have gotten so bottled up in their personal feelings that they would stamp on the right of others to make a point, intelligent people are at least discussing the true issue.

Stop shooting unarmed citizens.

I won't pretend their method is effective. I don't even agree with the way they are handling it. On that it seems I agree with the majority of the posters on this board. My point is that whether I agree with it, whether I like it, I will stand up for their right to do it.

To me those are two entirely different points.

I don't agree. The media is pushing the protest itself so much that the actual issues aren't being discussed, imo.

I'd call it mostly a failure (as the issues have been given a bit of airtime, but not very much), but I also don't think it's entirely the players' fault. The media is who is pushing the narrative. It's too easy to just lump this into one of the many failures of our mass media outlets.

Well then you're wrong. And a communist.

I think the method is effective because it is garnering attention, even if most of it is the wrong type of (social media and media driven) attention. For instance, had he protested in some other way like, I don't know, laid down in front of the Capitol building, boycotted the game, wrote a sternly worded letter to the editor, marched down Broadway carrying a sign, or whatever, no one would even be talking about it. At least he has drawn attention to the issue. You may not like it. You may not agree with his method. But you damn sure are aware of the problem.

JMHO

#stopshootingunarmedcitizens

Hehehe :-p
Maybe it's the saturation. While I also don't agree with their methods, I think BLM is far more effective in getting their message out, and people talking about it. It just seems like when we talk about BLM, we talk more about the true issues, which is the rate of unarmed black citizens getting shot, while the NFL protests more often tangent into the whole "getting paid millions of dollars to play a game" conversations without even touching on the whole point of the matter.

... and a lot of it is just perception, I guess.

You might find this interesting:

Real Time Police Fatal Shooting Stats - Washington Post

The numbers I find most alarming are the unarmed killings and the number of "Unknown".

When you consider the raw numbers, an equal number of unarmed whites are being killed as blacks. (No one is talking about that.) The alarm & skewed stats come into play when considering the per capita rate. However, in my view, race is not the issue. Shooting and killing unarmed citizens is. Around fifty/year in 2015 & 2016, projecting to be near the same in 2017. Bottom line, there is no excuse.

#stopshootingunarmedcitizens

Thank you for posting that. I'll dig into it.

Just looking through the drop-downs, there are some surprising #'s for states in there. I knew California would be high, but they're really really high. Illinois and NY are much lower than I expected. Ohio is pretty high.

Again, thanks for posting that. I love when you can visually look at the numbers behind the statistics. There's so much more meaning behind the numbers than what an article shows (or rather, wants to show you).

My posts above were simply talking about the effectivity of the protests themselves, and I was trying to withhold my opinion on the issues behind their protests. IMO, the discussion of how effective them sitting/kneeling for the anthem is for their cause can be had completely independent of where you stand on the issue of police shooting unarmed citizens.