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The Cleveland Browns are showing development, and progress toward becoming the team that can compete for championships, the division, and making the playoffs.

If anybody can see where the progress is, please point it out to me.

I think the Browns in the current form are close, real close to being something dynamic and special.

It just isn't showing up in the games yet!

So Where are the Browns progressing. Where is the development. How is this team better today than it was 20 games ago.


I believe the Browns are a better team than they were 20 games ago, I just don't know where that progress is on display.

Certainly , there has to be progress, we've suffered through 20, or 30, straight games and they've made dozens of changes to make things better. So where do we see the progress.

Somebody point it out to me please!

OK....I think Hue is a bad head coach. 1-18 as our head coach. Tell me how that is good?

Not to pick nits, but 1-19. Lol I agree. Hue isn’t HC material

I think that, Andy Daltons 156 passer rating aside, in the first half anyway, that the Browns have made some changes defensively,

and the pass defense is better, Joe haden's absences notwithstanding, the other guys are playing pretty well.

and the run defense looks pretty real good for at least about 85 or 90 percent of the snaps.

I just thought of something.

I hope the Indy Colt's didn't send a textbook message to the rest of the NFL of how to beat this new defense, and this Browns team.

Honestly, I don't know if they are. I did at the beginning of the year but its not showing.

Duke Johnson, as good as he's playing, I think he was playing just as good last year. He was playing pretty well last year also.

I think he has become one of your bonafide go to guys.

you misspelled regress

but i will say that duke looks great

I think we get worse as games goes on. I watch as long as I can before turning the games off.

We're young, but wow we are an incredibly bad football team.

What in the hell are you smoking or inhaling????????

Hey this is a better Browns football team.

There is no way this isn't a better Browns football team than the 2016 Cleveland Browns.

Last year they had injuries all over, they even had Charlie Whitehurst start a game.

They paid 12 million a year to Eric Zeitler and also signed Trettor, they don't have a ? at center.

They are a better football team, so what I mean is why are these guys, who are better, not playing like it.

It is because the so called QB guru is not a winner. It's all about him and his status!

0-16....i see it for this team.

We are awful beyond god awful.

We made some HUGE mistakes in the offseason:

1. Not Keep Brock Osweiler. He was the veteran guy, had playoff expereince, won playoff games, and was the best Qb on our roster. As the Browns always do, we got cute and outsmarted ourselves and cut him favor of unproven youth. We would have 5-7 games with Osweiler, we will lucky to win one game now.

2. Defense in overated. Without Haden's leadership in the secondary we are terrible. Our DL is very average...they don't do any one thing great, and Garret has been hurt twice already before even taking s snap in the game. Its not good.

3. We have been outcoached every game since Jackson has been here. Jackson is another one of those offensive guys that gets cute and outsmarts himself...forcing your rookie QB to throw the ball 30+ times a game is not a recipe for success...Hue has made some relaly poor decisions.

4. Brown and Deposdta allowing solid veteran talent to leave(Scwartz, Haden, Gipson, Pryor, Osweiler, C. Pryor, Demario Davis)has really hurt this young team. You cna't win with just a bunch of rookies and 2nd year guys, and they are treating this team like a baseball farm league and you won't win that way.

overall, im at the point i say we just start over at years end if we don't win atleast 5 games. This is beyond abysmal, and the fans have NOTHING to look forward to or cheer for.

We need to get an actual guy who knows what he is doing (Scot McCloughan) to be our GM and with all those picks let this guy(who does know what he doing) get us some players and Fa to be competitive again.

Scot McCloughan rebuilt both the 49ers and the Seahawks Super Bowl roster teams...we need to get him in here ASAP and remove Sashi Brown and Depodesta....we could even keep Hue if need be, or go another direction at HGC

it is however crystal clear to me...we won't win anything as long as Depodesta and Sashi Brown have anything to do with our draft, FA, and player personnel...if you like being the NFL farm team and sucking every year...stick with those guys, be a winning combination...not...

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Seth Walder
ESPN Analytics

Upside for the Browns: having all but lost today's game against the Bengals and with the Jets currently beating the Jaguars, Cleveland's live chance of landing the No. 1 overall pick in next year's draft is up to 31%. It was at 20% entering today. Those percentages incorporate live win probabilities but not FPI changes based on today's games.

Fair or not, Hue will be in the hot seat going into the 2018 season, unless there's a sharp turnaround the next 12 games.

So you are saying he will last this season? I don't think so!

Hue is actually 0-20. That Chargers missed field goal was a fluke!

with the Jets winning their 2nd game, I actually see us with a sure-shot for the 1st pick

And the FO will say that can't afford to keep him and let him go when is contract is up.

Oh good, so the Browns can pass on a franchise QB again!

We dont need another coaching change right now. He deserves a legit chance and some time.

+1

JMHO, injuries are part of the game....however, so far we have lost our best receiver, can't get our number 1 draft pick on field, lost our best LB, and best DT...we have NO one stretching the field...and a RB who wants to be paid....other than that...NO problems. Maybe we need to put an electric shock gizmo in Kizer's helmet that goes off at 2.8 sec time slot so he gets use to throwing the ball away...RG!!! had same issue.
Progress- Center better, QB has survived four games....improvement??? When other team gets 14 pts ahead I turn it off.....another LONG season....GO Browns!!!!

Hue deserves to coach the next 12 games of misery. Firing him would be a kindness.

There is no progress
You have to look no farther than the record since Hue arrived
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The record says it all.
In 2017 alone the Browns are 0 3 vs the rest of the AFC North
Of the front office will have their typical blind followers on here and they are doing a great job acquiring "talent"

We are die hard fans...and all want our team to win...

Everyone, and I mean everyone was ragging on this years Jets team. Several publications said the Jets may be the worse team assembled in modern football (hey they are going through a very deep rebuild...much like us last year) But they are 2-2 and a .500 football team...Heck, all I dream is for our Browns to be a .500 football team...With the trend of what we have in place...that may not happen till 2020...that is ridiculous...This team is bad all over the place.

This team is trash...If we were progressing we would have won at least 2 out of 3 games (Colts, Bengals, Jets...are all crap this year...We can't even win a game over a lowly tier team) It is looking like we will loose all 3 of those games.

I admit I'm no fan of this FO...We aren't acquiring enough talent, nor evolving the existing talent...Could be on coaching too, As I don't know who is doing what behind the scenes or whom is selecting whom.

But 4 games into this season...We have no QB, WR, running game, threats on offense (perhaps Duke), getting torched on D, special teams has been lacking this year (normally stellar there)

We used a 3rd round pick on Kessler and a 2nd round pick on Kizer...And our QB standards seem to be regressing...I mean we could obviously have used draft picks on somewhere else to help aid a postion(s) of need...And just as good starting Osweiler, Hogan, heck any FA QB...And probably been in a better position to win...Kessler doesnt even dress for games, Kizer is Logan Thomas 2.0 and doesn't belong on a football field.

Yet somehow the team wants patience and us to follow their plan...However even the lowly Jets are rebuilding and winning more than us, and that team has been gutted. Year two into this...and it's looking like a disaster...Unless they can turn this ship around, I don't see any silver lining here.

I just want to confirm, we’re all saying that the Browns have hired the wrong 8 head coaches ina row since our return, correct? I’d just like to remind everyone at this point that Jimmy Haslam is 20-64 as an owner. He’s on his fourth HC and GM since 2012. If we fire Hue and don’t let this play out, who in their right mind would take the job????

The only two things we’ve consistently had since 2012 are constant turnover and Jimmy Haslam. We’re not going to lose Haslam, so why don’t we try to focus on the other part?

Every one of us has a right to be frustrated. Every one of us has a right to be mad at Hue, the FO, and Gregg Williams for multiple reasons. So blowing this up and doing it all over again is the answer? Okay, tell me why... because I can give you 8 reasons since 2012 why it’s not the way to go.

Lets keep Hue. He is a QB Guru, or is it QB Whisperer? I have read that, it must be true.

Pathetic. We have absolutely next to nothing to be proud of. I read most comments and it appears Duke Johnson is literally the one thing people can/are speaking positive on.

Utterly pathetic (no offense to Duke.)

What he needs is NFL talent, an OC and some veteran leadership. I doubt the "geniuses" in the front office will provide him any of that. 2019 will be it for Hue.

Haslam is completely clueless. So are his hires for this front office. Is there ONE person who can adequately evaluate NFL talent or ability? Anyone?

Little talent in key areas, poor defensive scheme ran by an big mouthed know it all, and a head coach that is lacking.

The only progress I see is that they are progressively looking worse all the time.

there is literally no signs of progress, no signs of growth anywhere on the field.

i think it's the opposite too ... we seem way worse

We have gotten worse from game to game and worse from start of game to finish..

There are two reasons that could be happening..

1. Our staff is horrible at in-game adjustments and general game planning

or

2. We just don't have the depth of talent to change much so you try to stick to the basics.

It was clear that our deep, deep, deep safety plan that was moderately successful against the Steelers gets less and less successful each week. It was clear that Dalton was content to throw 8-10 yard passes to wide open receivers and seam routes all day long.... then a bunch of screens to slow down the rush.. If we have nothing to go to, it's going to look like this for the rest of the year.

You picked a bad day to stop doing lines of coke. Tell me why is it other NFL teams can show improvement within a 2-year window and we can't? Why do we need 4 years?

I said it after the BALT game, but I think we need to play more straight up defensively. Be more traditional and see how it works.

Football gods hate us

Lets face it Haslem bought the team to kill it and make us so disgusted that when he moves the team back to tennessee no one will even complain because by then we will all hate football ...

Tennessee already has a NFL team.

The Browns aren't moving.

lol they will find a way =)