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Ya, I'm watching the last 3 weeks. Hogan, if he plays, isn't going to give you the chance to win that Kizer is going to give you.
What they need to do is a traditional running offense, with fewer passes interspersed.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Ogbah and Duke Played Well today ...
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
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What they need to do is a traditional running offense, with fewer passes interspersed. So basically Hue needs to be fired as OC. Got it.
After 55 years, I'm walking away from this dumpster fire. Good luck to everyone who continues to hang on. You'll need it.
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I'm waiting for the homers to tell us how much talent the Browns have and how great of DC Gregg Williams is.
I have yet to see evidence of either statements made in recent weeks
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This team is in trouble....
Is Hue losing the locker room after four games?
Crowell has sucked so far, why not give Dayes some carries?
Duke is our #1 offensive threat...
Britt is pathetic. We signed him for Pryor?
The D is giving up alot of points. Is it time on the field or the fact that we are playing 10 against 11 with Peppers out in the bleacher section?
Hue needs an OC and someone to watch his back. He might also need a cooling fan on his office chair...after 1-19 and no real show of improvement the seat must (needs to?) be getting hot.
They way Desaun Watson has played for Houston it appears our FO(s) has now passed on three, count them THREE franchise QB's in THREE drafts! Carr, Wentz, and Watson could have been OUR QB's...its almost tragic if it wasn't laughable. Oh, yeah, forgot to add Goff to the mix as he appear to be having a fine second season....
Man, I had hope for this season that we would surprise some people...after week four I am thinking we go 0-16 if we don't beat Mckowns Jets, now 2-2 with McClown....
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Ya, I'm watching the last 3 weeks. Hogan, if he plays, isn't going to give you the chance to win that Kizer is going to give you.
What they need to do is a traditional running offense, with fewer passes interspersed. I respect your opinion brother.but I think we are seeing two different things
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Hogan is not the answer. He does not have the accuracy.
Was this posted before or after that pin point sideline, over the shoulder long pass to Louis?
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Hogan is not the answer. He does not have the accuracy.
Was this posted before or after that pin point sideline, over the shoulder long pass to Louis? I'm going from memory of him putting up 10 points vs, somebody in the last 2 weeks, either Indy, or the Ravens. I didn't like where the passes were going. Either way. Josh McCown is making his return to Cleveland next week, (one and eleven Josh McCown) , Do you want to put your best chance to beat him out into the game to start the game. Kevin Hogan Dishone Kizer I think it's Kizer.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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we were so proud of our defense after week 1 ... and embarrassed of them since
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Q: Pacman, do you feel for Hue Jackson?
A: As a person, yeah...but he only can get so much out of the group that he has.
— Zac Jackson (@AkronJackson) October 1, 2017
Pacman: "If we had to go to Iraq and Hue had to pick friends to go, I would (go with him) b/c I know what type of leader and person he is."
— Zac Jackson (@AkronJackson) October 1, 2017
Pacman: "From watching today and watching film, I probably shouldn't say this but it's going to be hard to win with that group."
— Zac Jackson (@AkronJackson) October 1, 2017
Pacman: "I'm just saying all around football, I don't know if Hue has enough to win."
— Zac Jackson (@AkronJackson) October 1, 2017
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Damn glad I didn't pay to see this game/bad football team. Man that's an incredibly poor playing and disciplined team.
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People that are calling for Hogan are brainless. What exactly has Kizer done so wrong? He is being systematically viticmized by players who simply cannot catch. They were right in the game until Britt did Britt things then we lost it. Whatever, draft another guy, despite the fact that the 2018 class doesnt look that good.
Here is to hoping the next guy gets one NFL target to throw to.
And maybe the defense wont be missing their two best players.
And maybe our running back will not be a dolt who cannot find the hole.
you had a good run Hank.
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Looks just like the 1989 cowboys. Rough!!!!
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People that are calling for Hogan are brainless. What exactly has Kizer done so wrong? He is being systematically viticmized by players who simply cannot catch. They were right in the game until Britt did Britt things then we lost it. Whatever, draft another guy, despite the fact that the 2018 class doesnt look that good.
Here is to hoping the next guy gets one NFL target to throw to.
And maybe the defense wont be missing their two best players.
And maybe our running back will not be a dolt who cannot find the hole. You call people wanting to see hogan brainless yet you cant see how glaring it is Kizer isn’t ready, funny those wr that can’t carch with Kizer seem to catch hogan. Kizer is slow to read, slow to react, sticks to his first read, throws with no accuracy and no touch, runs himself into sacks. Can’t play under center. But yeah other than that Kizer is pretty awesome
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Looks just like the 1989 cowboys. Rough!!!! Looks just like the 2016 browns. Rough!!!!
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I almost never get to watch them, so I follow online. I know I miss a lot. After today's embarrassment, I saw a picture of a bunch of Browns doing the black power salute during the anthem. Of course, Crowell, who posted the cop being beheaded picture, was one of them. I am getting close to just walking away from the whole thing.
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Exciting football will be back in Cleveland this fall!
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People that are calling for Hogan are brainless. What exactly has Kizer done so wrong? He is being systematically viticmized by players who simply cannot catch. They were right in the game until Britt did Britt things then we lost it. Whatever, draft another guy, despite the fact that the 2018 class doesnt look that good.
Here is to hoping the next guy gets one NFL target to throw to.
And maybe the defense wont be missing their two best players.
And maybe our running back will not be a dolt who cannot find the hole. You call people wanting to see hogan brainless yet you cant see how glaring it is Kizer isn’t ready, funny those wr that can’t carch with Kizer seem to catch hogan. Kizer is slow to read, slow to react, sticks to his first read, throws with no accuracy and no touch, runs himself into sacks. Can’t play under center. But yeah other than that Kizer is pretty awesome Hes 21, came from a spread, and you want him to be a finished product. Im sorry you have unrealistic expectations for the guy. And anyone who says he cannot throw with accuracy and touch are either biased or do not watch the games and rely on stats
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you had a good run Hank.
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Hogan is not the answer. He does not have the accuracy.
Even if that's true Kiser sure d oesnt either. We need to draft a qb
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We said screw it and went to Bdubs at halftime. I watched every other game simultaneously. No other team came close to matching the ineptitude of the Browns...and I mean the Jags, the Jets, the Texans, the Ravens, the Titans were all playing. We aren't anywhere close to even those teams in putting an NFL caliber product on the field.
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Hogan is not the answer. He does not have the accuracy.
Even if that's true Kiser sure d oesnt either. We need to draft a qb Hogan is the best QB on the roster and needs reps. Yes, we need to draft a QB!
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We said screw it and went to Bdubs at halftime. I watched every other game simultaneously. No other team came close to matching the ineptitude of the Browns...and I mean the Jags, the Jets, the Texans, the Ravens, the Titans were all playing. We aren't anywhere close to even those teams in putting an NFL caliber product on the field. LOL Try doing that in another state. I either get mocked or pitied.
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Hogan is not the answer. He does not have the accuracy.
Even if that's true Kiser sure d oesnt either. We need to draft a qb Hogan is the best QB on the roster and needs reps. Yes, we need to draft a QB! Kizer is the most talented, and no we don't need to draft another QB, we need to get a big time WR. Kizer just needs time to develop, all rookies do...this right here is why i wanted to keep Osweiler, we were stuck paying him anyways no matter what...he should have been starter giving Kizer time to develop....as the Browns always do, we outsmarted ourselves, overestimating how ready rookies are to play. no that Kizer doesn't look like Brady after 4 games, folks are ready to toss him in the trash and on to the next drafted Qb hence why we suck every year.
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People that are calling for Hogan are brainless. What exactly has Kizer done so wrong? He is being systematically viticmized by players who simply cannot catch. They were right in the game until Britt did Britt things then we lost it. Whatever, draft another guy, despite the fact that the 2018 class doesnt look that good.
Here is to hoping the next guy gets one NFL target to throw to.
And maybe the defense wont be missing their two best players.
And maybe our running back will not be a dolt who cannot find the hole. You call people wanting to see hogan brainless yet you cant see how glaring it is Kizer isn’t ready, funny those wr that can’t carch with Kizer seem to catch hogan. Kizer is slow to read, slow to react, sticks to his first read, throws with no accuracy and no touch, runs himself into sacks. Can’t play under center. But yeah other than that Kizer is pretty awesome Hes 21, came from a spread, and you want him to be a finished product. Im sorry you have unrealistic expectations for the guy. And anyone who says he cannot throw with accuracy and touch are either biased or do not watch the games and rely on stats No I want him to look like he’s getting better, he doesn’t, and you must not ever watched a game of his, being accurate has been his struggle since the day he started playing qb, As I said before, if your qb can’t play under center, you have no qb
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I like Kizer, but he looks progressively worse as the season goes on. I think we are ruining him, and maybe he does need to take a seat until there is better supporting cast for him
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I'm definitely not giving up on him, but if he keeps playing like garbage, he needs to sit and decompress. It would probably do him some good.
And by the way, if Hogan can run the offence much better at the moment, there comes a time when you owe it to the rest of your team to go to the guy getting it done.
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JC. See you all next draft weekend. I am soo glad I spared myself watching this week... and last week...and week 2. Pitt game was the best we are going to get this season. But hey! The Browns won their pre-season.
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Hogan is not the answer. He does not have the accuracy.
Even if that's true Kiser sure d oesnt either. We need to draft a qb Hogan is the best QB on the roster and needs reps. Yes, we need to draft a QB! Kizer is the most talented, and no we don't need to draft another QB, we need to get a big time WR. Kizer just needs time to develop, all rookies do...this right here is why i wanted to keep Osweiler, we were stuck paying him anyways no matter what...he should have been starter giving Kizer time to develop....as the Browns always do, we outsmarted ourselves, overestimating how ready rookies are to play. no that Kizer doesn't look like Brady after 4 games, folks are ready to toss him in the trash and on to the next drafted Qb hence why we suck every year. When you don't have touch and accuracy after playing football all your life, it's not all of a sudden going to pop up and happen for you. He is mediocre at best!
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I'm definitely not giving up on him, but if he keeps playing like garbage, he needs to sit and decompress. It would probably do him some good.
And by the way, if Hogan can run the offence much better at the moment, there comes a time when you owe it to the rest of your team to go to the guy getting it done. Hogan is your best chance to win right now. He is the best on the roster right now!
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I've seen all I need to from KIZER...
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I've seen all I need to from KIZER... he didn't play all that well at ND either.
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to my untrained eye Zeitler has underperformed big time. His lateral movement sucks. Also, I think Kenny Britt has underperformed as well 
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I've seen all I need to from KIZER... he didn't play all that well at ND either. He needs reps and he will win you games. He sees the field so much better than Kizer.
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At this point you've got to turn the keys to the offense over to Hogan. Let Kizer sit and learn more.
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I’m not kidding here. The only thing left for us fans to do is demand that Jimmy trades Joe Thomas to a contender. The guy has been here for 10 years, is a certain HOFER and should have a chance at playing in some meaningful games.
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In Chuck Noll's first year he went 1-13. Same with JJ and the 1989 Cowboys, they were 1-15. They both started from scratch and built through the draft. That's what both organizations committed to and it worked. Our FO is doing the same thing. We have to give a good 4 years before we ask for change with our FO or Hue. It hurts but we have to give it time. If we change everything for 2018 it's the same mistake we've been making since we came back. At least this FO has a plan.
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