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Have Hue tell Kizer to fake an injury so Hogan can come in and noone is embarrassed.

Not sure what anyone expected from Kizer. His receivers are the worst in the league and there's no one else even close. Kizer is not one of our top 3 biggest problems.

Some thoughts:

--Kizer was inaccurate and held the ball too long....again.

--Ogbah had an active game.

--Peppers is not a FS.

--More dropped passes.

--Run blocking continues to struggle.

--Their TE killed us. Safeties are not very good in coverage.

--Hogan makes quicker decisions.

--Gregg Williams' D isn't looking so good to me.

--This team has a long, long way to go before they are even respectable.

Things that boggle my mind:

1. How we are SO inept with run blocking ... it's a continued issue since 99
2. Why Peppers' biggest weakness (his lateral range) is being used against him in this scheme
3. Why we continue to play Britt
4. Why our WRs drop so many passes
5. Why we can't cover a TE to save our lives ... for years
6. How Duke is still healthy
7. How our red zone defense can be so bad
8. How we actually look worse from week to week. It should be the opposite in theory.

I don't think there is anyone on the team or in the organization who believes that we can win any games. I don't believe Kizer or Hogan believe Britt is any better than Drops Edwards and our number 1 pick is made of glass. This is painful for the fans

--When a team is as bad as the Browns, there is plenty of blame to go around. You have to look at the FO and believe they are just not getting it done. You have to look at the coaches and believe the same. And the players as well. All three levels currently get F grades.

--I predicted 3-13 before the season with a team that was going to be competitive. I'm disappointed that I don't think 3-13 is even realistic anymore. Almost every game in the league was competitive today, even those with the other "crappy" teams. The Browns simply aren't competitive.

--It's further crushing to look at a team like the Rams who are right next to us in terms of youth of roster. They have a QB who was a disaster last year. Their star RB looked like Trent Richardson last year. Their coach is a kid. They play competitive football every week. Their players are improved.

--No, the level of incompetence in the Browns organization is an outlier. It's just not normal. You have to be really, really bad at your jobs to replicate what the Browns are currently doing. I mean really, really bad.

--Don't look now, but Wentz and Watson look the part. They were not good enough for the Browns.

--The Browns are getting near zero production from their 3 first round picks. Garrett can't get on the field. I have no idea what they are doing with Peppers, but first round picks should be impactful players. He has made no positive impact. Njoku looks like he's two years away. That is incredible ineptitude.

--The Browns are getting negative contribution from their second round pick.

--If you are nervous about what this FO is going to do in next year's draft, I wouldn't blame you. They will either punt on QB or pick the wrong one. Or trade down to get quantity over quality.

--I've never ever believed this about the NFL ... that quantity is better than quality. But that's the direction the FO is taking the Browns. You need star, impactful players.

--Parkey wasn't good enough to make this team because he wasn't drafted by this regime. What a dumb draft pick ... a kicker.

--I have a feeling that Hue doesn't get involved with the D very much. I suspect he kind of leaves Williams alone. I wish Hue would be a head coach and not an offensive coordinator. He should be patrolling the sidelines overseeing the entire operation. This team is in desperate need of a leader in all aspects. I know the players like Hue. I get it. But I think if he was more involved with the entire game plan, it could prove positive.

--I just don't see this team really building toward anything. If Kizer is not the guy and they draft a guy next year, that's year one of the "rebuild". The build doesn't start until you identify your QB. So last year and potentially this year are throw aways. Very discouraging.

--Kizer is regressing. I think it would be a good idea for team morale and his own well being to sit him. See if Hogan can provide a spark. Allow Kizer to decompress. These are desperate times. Marvin Lewis told Hue after the game "don't let them quit on you". In week 4! That's a new low. Hue is responsible for the well being of entire team, not just Kizer. Start Hogan, see if it provides a spark. That's what a head coach would do, IMO.

--I really don't know if anyone in the organization is good or not. If you judge it by the product on the field, it's hard to argue that they are. People keep saying this is a new low, but it's been this way for a long time. The Browns are just a really bad organization. It's likely not to get better unless Haslam sells. It starts at the top and trickles down throughout the organization. I actually think this organization would make Belichek look bad. This place is a career killer.

--Oh well. There are more important things in life. I do love this time of year ... the weather, the holidays ... and I enjoy watching other games.

Very true.

The talent level on this team is nearly at DEFCON 5. Combine that with coaches not always putting the players in the best position to succeed and you get an 0-4 Browns team.

Having said that, there is no excuse to lose 31-7 at home to a winless Bengals team.

This is an organizational disappointment to date. A disappointment not in the sense of wins and losses, but in not showing incremental growth as a team.

If (when) the Browns get paddled by the Jets, some organizational soul searching may be in order.

Interested to see how this plays out over the next couple years.

What we know
we will get the first pick in the draft again.

We are the worst team in the NFL when making draft picks

That made me laugh.

It's a little after 8 PM and I'm actually STILL upset about the game today and losing all the time. Usually? After the game is over I'm over it, but right now? I'm freakin' angry.




P.S. They are lucky we still watch them.

The offense is lacking quickness and top end speed.their is no wr that can take quick slant and go the distance
I don't see the love affair with Seth DeValve. He's not going to run through tacklers. He doesn't play up to his size
J..C Tretter is garbage. Agile yes powerful no.
Kizer is a victim of poor WRs.
The Browns have the worst WR unit in the NFL.
Ogbah is a gamer. He's a up and coming talent
Browns LB still can't cover TES
Gregg Williams is a garbage DC. But he convinced the homers he was the white knight
It's apparent the Browns front office have this team going backwards

Pacman: "From watching today and watching film, I probably shouldn't say this but it's going to be hard to win with that group."

Getting awfully tired of giving our division rivals 2 free wins each year

I'm already close to thinking about other ways to spend my Sunday afternoons. Garrett is potentially the single one reason I will tune into next game. If he sits, as of right now - I think I need a break from watching this team.

This is a shameful product.

This game IMO was all on Williams defense. Well the WRs take some blame too.

I could write a game plan to beat this defense, and ask one of you guys to be the TE. You would be the star of the game.

Britt is worse than Bowe, at least Bowe wasn't on the field tipping passes to the defense.

I think Crowell has given up. For some reason I think he thinks he will just go thru the motions this year and get a good contract from someone else next year.

This defensive scheme is horrible. We give every team a clean ten yards to work with. If the opponents RB or WR get past the line, they have ten yards between them and a defender.

Tackling today was horrendous.

Kizer needs work, but I do not put this game on him.

The horsecollar call was bogus, and it definitely was a lateral pass. When our guy touched the ball, it was clearly behind Dalton who threw directly down the 26 yard line.

Keeping Peppers a mile away is a foolish approach. This guy needs to be up near the line of scrimmage around the ball.

Hogan looked alright, but the Bengals defense was on the bench at that point. Kizer's confidence has got to be taking a hit. These dropped passes are at crucial times. He is very inaccurate.

Time management on the last drive of the half was laughable.

I turned the game off after Duke scored, he's on my fantasy team.

If I'm Jackson, I call Williams out about this scheme he is running. He goes on and on like some bloated [censored] about how he knows how to play players too their strength, and does the opposite.

I got tickets to the game next week, I think I'm giving them away.

post game thoughts:

we should've drafted Deshaun Watson.

But then we wouldn’t have Myles Garrett.

Oh wait...

exactly.

We should have taken Wentz LAST year. We dont have ONE impact player on this team and getting next to nothing from all the draft picks we aquired. Quanity is fine for bullets from a machine gun but a laser guided missle is more effective. Kiser is costing us games and retarding this teams growth while he learns on the job. ( If u call what hes doing learning)

Don't really care anymore (granted I am posting so I guess I do, but I don't want to) Let Pryor go when you're way under the cap, let Haden go when you're way under the cap. Haslem is just the worst owner we could've asked for.

If someone was purposely trying to sabotage this organization they couldn't have done a worse job than the people that were trying to win all these years. It's really sad.

agreed.

Four games in. Talking about Watson, burying our rookie QB, every one wants the coach fired.
I think there are too many over-emotional fans here. Some of you are whiny little girls.
We knew this year wouldn't be a playoff year.

nobody expected playoffs.

we expected signs of life after last season.

right now we have a better chance of finding life on another planet than expecting the Browns to be any good the next few seasons.

i mean damn bro. we REGRESSED. we aren't even competitive. we had 6 rotating QB's last season and looked a HELL of a lot better than what we do this year.

that's pathetic.

I think many of us expected us to win some of the winnable games (Colts, Bengals, Jets...most teams will lick their chops to play those teams) We are appearing to lose them all...Progress would be showing if we were able to win at least 2 out of the 3.

so in 3 straight weeks we'll have lost to Indy without Luck, to Cincy at home, and to the Jets at home. Ouch.

You could pull that last year but this is year 2. JJ - 1-15; 7-9; 11-5...it's called progress

Noll - 5-9, 6-8 after their first season.

Progress. And pieces. We don't even seem to have the pieces.

You don't have to be a playoff team to win a football in September or early Oct.
I guess winning a football game is too much ask of this franchise
Oh that's right it won 4 when it didn't matter

Don't forget, we could have had them both!!!! Heck we could have had Watson AND Trubinsky!

There's a difference from knowing it wouldn't be a playoff year to expecting a win or two. You do realize we have won like 1 of our last 20 or so games? That's a less than pathetic winning %. I mean I agree with you to an extent, that patience is needed. But for all of us it's wearing thin, no need to compare anyone to little girls. It's getting ridiculous in the big picture. We have all practiced patience for many years. Can't expect it to last forever.

It's bad right now, worse than I thought it'd be, but we can't just start firing people, changing coaches. We've seen that movie before, it has not ended well. Let's see what happens the rest of the year, then we will have more info to make determinations. Kizer has to get better, though.
We are still young pups in the NFL.
I'd think about Hogan though, for at least the short term, if Kizer continues to suck.

When do the NBA and NHL seasons start? That's all I'm thinking about postgame.

I'm excited about the Vegas Golden Knights. Vegas is my adopted home and I don't have a hockey team so they're my team. Don't know much about hockey but excited to learn and get into it.

The Maple Leafs are going to be very good this year, potentially.:).
I'm turning my sports attention to Austin Matthews and the fellas, now that the Browns are doing nothing.

Oh sorry, the NHL starts Wednesday.

My only thought is disgust.. I can't even watch other games with enjoyment because it makes me mad just to watch competence and competitiveness..

Other teams with rookie QBs, with low draft QBs, with first year coaches, with former Browns players (who weren't good enough to play here) in key positions they all (each and every one of them) seem to be light years ahead of us. They aren't all going to be great, they all won't even be over .500.. but they look competitive.

And all we are left with is the same old excuses of why other teams can do things we can't.

The season ain't over.
We still have a chance for a win or two!

Sorry about the whiny little girls thing, hope you don't get your training bra in a bunch. Lol.
I think hogan should play next week.

I know this season has been disappointing so far, but building a team isn't easy, it takes time. We will be a much better team by the time December arrives.

It only takes time if you're Cleveland.

For some strange reason it doesn't seem to take other teams much time at all.

I would like to point out that none of the fomer Browns in keh spots are a QB, RB, or WR. Hell, you could add TE on there too.

Not a coincidence. The Browns havent had a good skill player since 2007.

our WRs are an abomination to the franchise, the NFL, and to sports in general