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It is true that protesting at a lot of jobs would result in termination. That decision in the NFL would be up to the owners, none of which have fired people for protesting.

The whole argument of no protesting at work is ridiculous for the simple fact that the employers aren't terminating players and they are the only ones that matter.

ESPN's entire roster lol

Are we even going to acknowledge what a ridiculous topic this is. What does being attractive have to do with anything regarding the news? [/quot

Jeez Swish why are you so angry? What can I do to help Black people get over their hate

Can you give me a few instances of Racial inequality and some ideas about what we should change. Why do Black people have such a problem ? Asians are a different color. They seem to get along. Latins seem to get along although Dems are working hard on them.
I could really use some help on this . Maybe you and OCD, Sprial can leave off the hate for a minute and give some constructive answers.

One other thing Toni Laren Rocks

You addressed this to me so I will answer.

All I ask of Y'all is to stop kneeling during the National Anthem and stand like Americans and to stop acting like nuts during traffic stops so we ain't gotta watch you die no more.

That's all I ask.

All I ask is for you to register your guns on a federal registry and how many rounds of ammo you buy for them. So we ain't gotta watch a bunch of people die in nightclubs and musical festivals. Then I'll stand for the NA. Seems like a fair deal right. Revise both amendments 1 and 2 at the same time. Art of the deal right?

All I ask is for 40 to turn off all the hate that is in his soul. I fear though, if he extinguishes the hate, he'll have nothing worth living for.

how is that going to stop what happened? honestly, please answer. just registering and putting down what you buy will not stop it. The gun used was an automatic weapon, you can tell by the rate of fire in the sounds of the videos. Those are illegal, so how did he get it? Rules and laws only work for those that follow them.

you really bit it.

and yet you cannot say as to how that will stop this from happening.

And yet you don't get it.

then please explain mr. enlightenment.

Nah it's obviously over your head.

hahaha, yeah I thought that would be your answer. because you have no logical thought process on the matter, just regurgitating what they tell you.

Dip Dip Dip

Sigh .... 40 was asking us to give up a constitutional right to take knee during the NA. I was asking him to give up a constitutional right by registering his guns and ammo. Tit for Tat. Get it now?

Fake News!

40 is asking you to entertain like the NFL is supposed too.
Stop turning football into a Political Statement because you only destroy the business you are in as we walk away in droves.

You have every right to continue to appear unpatriotic and we have every right to reject your style and walk away.

Yet you're still here. See ya Sunday, enjoy the protest.

It seems news sites are reporting the gunman used a bump stock, which means he efficiently killed and wounded over 500 people with perfectly legal means:



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...e-to-speed-fire

On the phone to Amazon now!!!

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Hurry you may have your special moment before you get it.

You do realize a stock has nothing to do with rate of fire, correct? Listen to the rounds, they are fully automatic. That has nothing to do with a stock.

Officials told the Associated Press on Monday that the 64-year-old had two "bump-stocks". The device basically replaces the gun's shoulder rest, with a "support step" that covers the trigger opening. By holding the pistol grip with one hand and pushing forward on the barrel with the other, the shooter's finger comes in contact with the trigger. The recoil causes the gun to buck back and forth, "bumping" the trigger.

Can you guys please move your gun porn to the proper thread please.

I don't know about all this.

Listening to the videos, that gun/those guns were firing at a clip that would be hard to replicate with a bump stock.

Hard, but not impossible I guess.

Some news station reported the guy used bump stocks. I can't argue that, other than to say he must have been very familiar with, and good at, using them.

2 hour delivery!!!

find a different thread if you don't like it.


there would still be a pause in between shots, there would still have to be separate finger pulls on a trigger. a bump stock would not increase the rate of fire to that of which was in the video.

1 hour 55 minutes!!!

Some NFL Players Kneel During U.S. Anthem Again Despite Trump Call for Protest to End

Key word...Some.
Most thought it out and acted like Americans.

Protesting is acting like Americans. This very country was founded on it.

So Ben Franklin knelt on the Flag while trying to sell Newspapers?
Nah.

Drinking and driving has been illegal for decades.. yet we have cut the rate of traffic fatalities from drunk driving in half through modifying the laws, increasing the punishments, pushing more public education and awareness, holding the establishments responsible that sell alcohol to already drunk (or underage) people, worked with police to spot and deal with the drunk drivers, etc...

You act as though the laws we have are perfect and cannot possibly be improved... maybe they can. You act as though, "we have laws, stuff is illegal, people break laws, nothing more we can do." That isn't how we treat any other problem.. ever.

Maybe we can learn from the multi-faceted approach which has worked well to reduce drunk driving deaths...

I've said this before and I will say it again... I'm not an anti-gun person.. but either the NRA and the gun owners are going to get on-board with making some reasonable modifications to the laws regarding the purchase and ownership of weapons and ammunition.. or eventually they will lose the debate entirely. Every time there is an incident like this and people talk about some modifications to make, the NRA and gun owners dig their heels in and refuse to budge or even consider making any changes.. and with each event like this, more folks in the middle who support the 2nd amendment but aren't heavily invested in it.. start to move left on the issue.

And, quite honestly, the gun owners come off looking like cold-hearted pricks who have no concern for human life.. they will mourn and pray for the dead .... as long as they can still go to the range and play Rambo on the weekend with the biggest baddest weapons they can find.

j/c

I keep seeing people trying to bring up points that simply don't exist here. Over and over again.

The NFL owners are the one's who are allowing the players their rights to peacefully protest.

If your company doesn't allow you to do this, then that's between the employers and employees. If the NFL does allow this, once again it's between the employers and employees. Not all corporations are ran the same way.

The players are exercising their rights and their employers are permitting it.

Fake News and a Bias media telling outright lies in order to push an agenda has been a problem for years.

Regulating and cutting back on Free Speech, perhaps making laws to force Responsible Speech would end this problem.

After all we did it with Drunk Driving.

NO!

Blacks are but 13% of our population yet commit 50% of the gun crimes in America, therefore if we take away the Rights of Black people to own guns.....

We cut drunk driving in half when everyone said it was impossible.

NO!

Do you mean like players kneeling before the games? Oh that's right. You oppose that free speech so it doesn't count.

Fake News!

I oppose Football Players destroying the entertainment value of Football by acting unpatriotic and kneeling during our National Anthem. If I want to watch that crap I will tune in late night so called comedy shows.

So are you also arguing that it's not a right of there's to do so even if you disagree with it? You know, like your gun rights that a lot of other Americans disagree with?

DC, thank you for a well thought out and precise post (minus the last part). Although I agree and disagree with some of it, you at least have given an answer to what needs done in your mind. Something most cant do. They just state, "we need laws!" without any actual thought to how that law will work or not work. Below are my responses to your points.

I will say, I am not against looking at gun laws, I am a gun owner. But I don't think some of the laws proposed would have any effect on what happens with this shootings, that is my point. I am not against a law, I am against a law that will do nothing.

I believe that the punishments are the factor here more so than anything else. DD used to be a slap on the wrist and night in the tank, no not so much. Hit the pocket book. I agree we should have harsher PUNISHMENTS for gun violations. We already do background checks etc to purchase a gun. If someone has a clean record (which this person seemingly did) what else can you do?

Thanks for reading my mind though . but that is not what I think. I think that just a "law" will not deter anything. I think the PUNISHMENT will deter people. Having strict gun laws has done nothing in major cities like Chicago, Detroit, etc. Increase those penalties to massive fines and jail time, then you have decent approach.

Well, first...What are reasonable modifications? Again, we already have laws against modifying guns, they are still being modified. We already have laws against full auto weapons, they are still on the street. Not to be combative, but I am not sure what you mean as an example.

I consider myself in the middle. I don't think we need more laws, I think we need harsher punishments and more enforcement of said laws already on the books. Can we do deeper background checks? IDK, what exactly entails on the background check they do now? Do they go into your medical records and check your mental history? What if your medical records say at one time in your life you were treated for depression for a day, what happens then? Again, this is my point, we don't have anyone answering as to what they exactly are proposing. They just want "reform" with a blank page to write whatever they want on it.

This is just a ludicrous statement. First it purely opinion, with way to actually quantify it. Secondly, most gun owners I know have 1 or 2 guns (usually small firearms) for protection. so I would argue to generalize any gun owner as some 'rambo' type, is pretty low class and bigoted. You are implying that gun owners are nothing more than a redneck swigging beer and shooting rounds in the air. . . . I wonder what backlash someone would get for making a remark like that on the other side of the fence about a rapper?

I will say I am glad that the person didn't have a F350 and run through the crowd, as I would expect the death toll to have been much higher. We should also outlaw hotels, as they give a vantage point over any crowd.

Thanks for the post... I will pick a few things to respond to..


You mentioned this theme several times about laws that work vs laws that will have no impact, so I will respond with an adamant, I don't know. I'm not currently a gun owner, have been in the past, but not right now. Might want to be in the future. I'm not 100% up on the laws, how they are tracked, how they are enforced, how they are most commonly broken, where the loopholes are, etc. I have to defer to those with more knowledge, those who legally deal in guns, those in law enforcement, etc.. I'm perfectly comfortable to admit, I can see there is a problem, I'm not the person to fix it.


No problem, my wife has been teaching me, evidently she is really good at it. And I didn't say that is what you think, I said that is how you act.. this is a MB, limited information... If we sat down over a beer, I could delve deeper into what you actually think.. that's the problem with going off a few lines of text.


Just to restate from above, I don't know.


For the record, I never said that is what most gun owners are like.. I said that's how they come across in the argument because it is usually the loudest and most obnoxious who are making the case in the media.. I know dozens of gun owners, I've been a gun owner.. I know what most gun owners are like.. but in the arena of debate, those on the other side don't seek out "typical" gun owners.. they seek out the whack jobs on youtube and paint the picture of that..


People do make those types of comments about rappers.. sometimes they get backlash and sometimes they don't...

F the police. Right?

None of us are experts, however it seems that the current gun laws are not working and one does not need to be an expert to see that.

GUN FREE ZONES - Most mass shootings have taken place in these. If someone is mentally capable of committing an atrocity of a mass shooting, a sign is not going to stop them. ARe these places being targeted because the shooters know there will not be a law abiding gun owner their to stop them? That is the argument.

FULL AUTO BAN - We already have a full auto ban, yet fully automatic weapons are still on the street being used by gangs and mass shooters. There are modifications that can be made very easy to convert a semi to a full auto, and modifications that can be made to make it easier to operate a semi like a full auto. Do we need to ban these modifications, I am not against that. However realize, that a gun is just a piece of metal and plastic. These mods can be made by someone very easily. If you are going to ban these mods, again as I stated before you need to make sure the punishments are SEVERE. You use a gun in mass shooting, DEATH PENALTY.

what is scary about the rhetoric from the left about these "common sense" gun laws they always talk about, is the wording they use. They say we need an "assault rifle ban, a semi automatic ban, etc." well which is it. The pistol I use to carry is a semi automatic. So you are going to ban any glock or most S&W etc. People just hear rhetoric and don't listen to the terms that are being used. I don't own an AR15. Don't see the need to own one. But a semi automatic ban is a ban on most pistols bought in the US. Then what happens when you ban them, and a shooting takes place again?? It will happen, sadly. So they will double down and ban the next thing, and the next thing, and the next thing. The left will not stop until they disarm every law abiding citizen there is.