DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 7 Bengals 31 What I saw Game 4

I agree about the "giving up" part. Not that we quit, just that we seemed to accept the fate. It's a critical time for Hue IMO. This could quickly go south on him (not just record-wise)

Who cares anymore. We're a bad football team with no hopes, tools or etc of improving.

What anyone sees is likely negative and pointless, because that's all to see. We're the worst football team in the league

Deshon Kizer is getting worse cause his surrounding cast is getting worse
Nick Vigil came in untouched on a blitz like a missile cause of a lack blitz pickup i.q by the rb and just destroyed Kizer.
Yeah that kind of hit would make my clock in head my speed up too.
Even the legend Joe Thomas was getting pushed back by rookie Carl Lawson in the pocket more than once
Ogbah hand delivered the offense great field position. But poor play calling and a chip shot miss negated that
Gregg Williams is fools gold people. He's Rob Ryan 2.0 blitz happy big mouth DC. He's scheme isn't working and he's been with 6 teams for a reason
Who in the heck is Tyler Kroft ?
He looked like Jimmy Graham
Oh yeah Dalton was 16 for 16 at one point yesterday.
All I heard out of preseason was how great this defense was going to be
Dalton is Marc Bulger 2.0 and he looks like Tom Brady yesterday
I told everyone this WR core was garbage and I remain correct
Oh yeah it was a home game
Can this team look respectable at home ?

Ummmm, we have not been blitzing nearly enough. that is why the QBs have all day to pick us apart.

You are acting like EVERYONE thought otherwise. No one person on this board or who watches the NFL would have disagreed with you. Its not some astute observation that we have the worst WR corps in the league.

One of the worst D showing we had,and the blame is on the rookie QB...

Yes, Kizer is not playing well, but at this time, who even cares.He's just the escape goat..

Or scapegoat. This D was awful yesterday. Are we tanking? We sure are not going after anybody. Peppers could come up about 12 yards. Our offense can do more. Hogan is proof. Convinced DK cannot. Maybe later. But this kid would starve if he got payed piecework. Hogan for a few. This is just ruining DK if the production doesn't come along soon.

Painful to watch. I go in revved up and fan ready. Not much to cheer about, especially on STs.

Seen any changes from last week? Go, Browns.

Sadly, I concur. We are what we are. At this point in the season, we are not going to get better roster wise. They are going to roll with what they have.

Really makes you start to wonder about this FO.

Sara Thompson blew an early whistle on us last year to lose us the game when she called a fumble on our game winning drive. It was not a fumble. Duke recovered it but Sara blew the it dead. She is horrible. Not as a person, but on the field!

See ya next Sunday!

I almost forgot about that play.....thanks for reminding me

Pretty much this.

Between Kizer and the above, that is the bulk of our issues right now.
We just don't have the talent to stop the pass in this scheme right now, and it is not helping that our DL cannot get to the QB on a regular basis... or, when we do, we leave the left side (defensive right) open for anyone to run for 15 yards. Guys get in there constantly, but they constantly miss and rarely disrupt anything.... and, because they don't make things happen, the QB is able to buy time and the CB's are left trying to cover twice as long as they should have to. Myles Garrett should help things. If nothing else, QB's and RB's shouldn't be able to constantly bounce to their left to clean grass.

As for Kizer.... I said it in preseason: I wanted us to do whatever was best for him and his development; I didn't care at all about "start the best QB" business because it isn't about this season, it is about the next five seasons. I felt that was for him to sit as I didn't think he was ready to be playing -- I believe that he is showing that I was right. I doubt we make the switch to Hogan, however, so Kizer will have to full-on implode or get injured for that switch to be made.

You're making the mighty assumption that the open receiver would actually catch the ball.

This line of reasoning only works if there are flashes and the Browns win a few games. In other words, they need to avoid having the number one pick. If they get the number one pick, which is looking like it is highly probable, they are drafting a QB...either this regime or the new one. This whole year spent on training Kizer will be one long exercise in futility.

You have to win some games.

This year is going to go down as a complete waste.

We suck....

Kizer was pressured 8 times Sunday with a so called great offensive line in front of him
4 man pressure. No exotic blitzes. And when Cincy unleashed blitzes from the 2nd level it worked
Anybody notice the Browns had to chip Carl Lawson on Joe Thomas side
When was the last time JT needed help?
I cant ever recall
Zeitler was getting man handled by Atkins too.

1). It was Atkins lol he does that to almost everyone.

2). When kizer holds the ball for an average of over 3 seconds. Pocket will collapse at some point

I thought the pass protection was excellent. Kizer holds the ball way too long.

Have you ever thought Kizer is holding the ball too long is because the Browns WRS can't get seperation?
Browns have the worst skill set of WR in the NFL.
Higgins and Britt couldn't start anywhere else in the NFL

Tab, any rookie is going to miss some WR. at least 1 or 2 game. But I am seeing for the most part our guys are just not getting open. I do not see them breaking off routes when kizer starts to scramble to help him out.

I will say AB and Ben are the best at this in the NFL. As soon as that clock hits AB is looking to Ben to see where he is going. Looking for break off and move. That's his biggest attribute. He catches more balls of broken routes than he does on routes. They just have that chemistry and knowledge. We don't have that, or have any WR even trying to do that.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Kizer is the answer to our looooonnnnngggg problem at QB, he has plenty of issues. I am just pointing out that we have the worst group of WR I have ever seen play on a football team.

People like Seth have been getting open and not seen. They point it out here and there on the TV.

Kizer is not helping our crew, and our crew is not helping Kizer because it doesn't seem often there's separation. it's just an overall bad.

Those who say the receivers are not getting open....were you at the games or have the all 22?

Section 307 I saw the game

and do you know the routes and reads?

The question isn't simply "are they getting open?", it is "are they getting open at the times they should be for when Kizer is going through reads?".

Yes our WRs do have some problems getting separation but when they do get open Kizer waits to long to throw the ball. I've seen quite a few times where he has a guy open underneath on crossing patterns but Kizer is so slow in making his reads that the WR runs himself back into coverage on the other side of the field.

I'm thinking that Kizer is second guessing himself and whether or not the DB's can close the gaps on him before he can get the ball there.

He's had a number of INT's already, and I think it is in his head, which means he's thinking too much now. Paralysis by analysis.

He needs to learn the lessons but keep the gunslinger mentality.

Which is pretty much what one should expect from a 21 year old rookie in his fourth start.

I like this that someone sees it my way! Plus Hue has no clue! When we started the season last year with so many 3 and outs, then again this year with Pitts and the Ravens, I knew we were toast. Hue and Kizer are not our future!!

Those saying they are open......are you at the game? Are you watching the Rec or the QB? are the rec open because the db left his assignment because kizer is already on the ground?

Yeah the Steelers throttled us!......... By three points.

I believe several of the folks who went to the games said the receivers were open, that's why I asked the question in that manner. You said that for the most part they weren't open, how did you come to that conclusion?

Just to test out this theory, I opened one of my Onkyo receivers and tossed a ball into it. It caught it.

It still angers me that so many are overlooking this fact.

I really hope Jimmy gives them time to explore. Kizer has the tools, just give him a real, long term shot.

I think that this is a good point. It's called "anticipation." He doesn't have it yet.

LOL.....well, at least I hope that is the explanation. I sure as heck don't want it to be that he can't process coverages fast enough.

In a earlier thread you said Kizer being a 2nd year qb you can't expect too much out of him. Then you proclaimed his surrounding talent was good.
Yet now you want to sit him cause he's struggling ?
Hes shown more than Weeden or Manziel

As of right now he's weeden 2.0

sad how the 5 win seasons with weeden are the good ol days...lol

QB: Brandon Weeden, Colt McCoy

WR: Greg Little, Josh Gordon

LT: Joe Thomas, Oneil Cousins

LG: Jason Pinkston, Jarrod Shaw

C Alex Mack, John Greco

RG: Shawn Lauvao, Dominic Alford

RT: Mitchell Schwartz, Ryan Miller

TE: Ben Watson, Jordan Cameron

WR: Mohamed Massaquoi, Travis Benjamin

FB: Owen Marecic, Brad Smelley

RB: Trent Richardson, Montario Hardesty

sorry but what i saw was a worse team that people make fun of.