Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#1325751 10/02/17 08:19 AM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
Likes: 136
E
eotab Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
E
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
Likes: 136
Oh geesh.
What I saw was enough of Kizer, sorry but I can see the rookies mistakes and look aside. But it is the inaccuracy when the pocket is clean and WRs are open he just does not hit those at an alarming high rate. To me that tells me he is NOT THE GUY and I've seen enough to make that Assumption.

Hogan runs the O better although he does not have the talent to be the guy.

Kizer has a problem in reseting his feet relaxing and make the throws.

Run game was there when we pounded. Again we fell behind too much too soon to keep at it.

I saw Williams take a chance on 3rd down and blitz and the OC of Bengals have a perfect call for a Screen to their right where we were overloading the blitz on that side. Untouched 60+ for the TD with minute left...

This was the first game I thought the team gave up.

If you can hear my wife yell at Kenny Britt you would be proud of her. I just watch in silence.

Ogbah played a great game not just the obvious things like a sack/fumble and then recovery it. But he took on two blockers and still maintained the outside responsibility forcing the RB to stop and try to go inside.

These announcers sucked.
The refs sucked also.

They would call us Bengals by mistake. Among so many other mistakes.

Why have a review if you are not going to get the right angle and call a lateral pass just that. And why do we always get that Lady Ref...she blows the whistle right away so that if it was deemed a fumble we lost our opportunity for the scoop 6...possibly he would have been caught from behind and we would have been goal to goal.

Bitt...the missed catch with the ball hitting his shoulder pads as it went through his hands...and then an INT came out of it.
Just shameful.

Thought Louis played well.

Replay shows Kizer in a clean pocket locked in on Higgins with Bengals in a loose zone and Higgins is running a 12 yard hitch throw the ball throw the ball!!! You are looking right at him!!! no first down.

We had WRs open A LOT! terrible throws...even on completed passes. Little underneath patter by Crowell he throws it high where Crowell gathers it in but takes him off his momentum and is easily tackled for little gain.

Of course there was enough blame to go around but Dawgs...the QB sets the tone the QB is the straw that stirs the drink.
Kizer has gotten worse each and every game...Not better...just one step back after one step back.

Unless we are going for the QB pick and sucking...we have to go another direction.

NUMBER VIRTUE of a Franchise QB is accuracy. Kizer is not one.

Again we got burned by the QB scrambling. That edge where Garrett should be is getting burned and doesn't have his speed to recover!

Schobert had a good game. Yeah I know he took a step up on a play action pass but he still got back there to be on coverage but when your QB throws a perfectly placed pass what can you do.

I thought we played the run very well on D.

Soft Safety look is definitely really not Williams fault.
The worst move and only one I will smh at the FO is the releasing of Haden...bad move. The closest thing to a shot down CB that we have is Boughty Calhoun and he's not out there as much as he should be.

If we have 2 deep I cannot understand all the room the CBs are giving the WRs too much cushion...I can see it if we are in Cover 3 but not always the case.

Kizer has both RBs swinging out and there was an obvious over load coming from the right. Crowell swings out where a AHA GOTCHA moment as it was a great call, was there. But he ignored the obvious presnap read of the overload and didn't even look right and got surprised with a pounding hit as if it was from the BLIND SIDE...the field was WIDE open for Crowell...maybe 20 yards before being touched.

Oh well as mentioned probably my last game to view on TV won't be able to post much from my phone. Takes too long as my typing is fast but that is keyboard...phone I'm an amateur...lol laugh

Please don't blow this up. Lets finally get our Franchise QB next year we will have the pick to do it with!

What did you see.
Can hardly walk but going golfing as it might be my last chance in a long time.


Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!

GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,571
Likes: 507
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,571
Likes: 507
I agree about the "giving up" part. Not that we quit, just that we seemed to accept the fate. It's a critical time for Hue IMO. This could quickly go south on him (not just record-wise)


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12,635
D
Legend
Offline
Legend
D
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12,635
Who cares anymore. We're a bad football team with no hopes, tools or etc of improving.

What anyone sees is likely negative and pointless, because that's all to see. We're the worst football team in the league

Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,804
Likes: 50
I
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
I
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,804
Likes: 50
Deshon Kizer is getting worse cause his surrounding cast is getting worse
Nick Vigil came in untouched on a blitz like a missile cause of a lack blitz pickup i.q by the rb and just destroyed Kizer.
Yeah that kind of hit would make my clock in head my speed up too.
Even the legend Joe Thomas was getting pushed back by rookie Carl Lawson in the pocket more than once
Ogbah hand delivered the offense great field position. But poor play calling and a chip shot miss negated that
Gregg Williams is fools gold people. He's Rob Ryan 2.0 blitz happy big mouth DC. He's scheme isn't working and he's been with 6 teams for a reason
Who in the heck is Tyler Kroft ?
He looked like Jimmy Graham
Oh yeah Dalton was 16 for 16 at one point yesterday.
All I heard out of preseason was how great this defense was going to be
Dalton is Marc Bulger 2.0 and he looks like Tom Brady yesterday
I told everyone this WR core was garbage and I remain correct
Oh yeah it was a home game
Can this team look respectable at home ?

Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,974
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,974
Quote:
blitz happy big mouth DC
Ummmm, we have not been blitzing nearly enough. that is why the QBs have all day to pick us apart.

Quote:
I told everyone this WR core was garbage and I remain correct
You are acting like EVERYONE thought otherwise. No one person on this board or who watches the NFL would have disagreed with you. Its not some astute observation that we have the worst WR corps in the league.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,307
Likes: 2
R
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
R
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,307
Likes: 2
One of the worst D showing we had,and the blame is on the rookie QB...

Yes, Kizer is not playing well, but at this time, who even cares.He's just the escape goat..

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,815
Likes: 106
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,815
Likes: 106
Or scapegoat. This D was awful yesterday. Are we tanking? We sure are not going after anybody. Peppers could come up about 12 yards. Our offense can do more. Hogan is proof. Convinced DK cannot. Maybe later. But this kid would starve if he got payed piecework. Hogan for a few. This is just ruining DK if the production doesn't come along soon.

Painful to watch. I go in revved up and fan ready. Not much to cheer about, especially on STs.

Seen any changes from last week? Go, Browns.


"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,494
Likes: 52
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,494
Likes: 52
Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
Deshon Kizer is getting worse cause his surrounding cast is getting worse
Kizer is a big part of why we aren't winning. He has guys open early but doesn't throw the ball instead he waits to long and gets sacked or forces a throw.
Nick Vigil came in untouched on a blitz like a missile cause of a lack blitz pickup i.q by the rb and just destroyed Kizer.
Not sure if this is a fault of the OLine or the QB not calling out the blocking adjustments but I see us continually getting beat by teams doing stunts or blitzes because we have 2 or 3 people blocking 1 guy and someone else comes thru untouched.
Yeah that kind of hit would make my clock in head my speed up too.
Even the legend Joe Thomas was getting pushed back by rookie Carl Lawson in the pocket more than once
Even the great ones get beat now and then.
Ogbah hand delivered the offense great field position. But poor play calling and a chip shot miss negated that
It was a 48 yd attempt which isn't a chip shot.
Gregg Williams is fools gold people. He's Rob Ryan 2.0 blitz happy big mouth DC. He's scheme isn't working and he's been with 6 teams for a reason
His scheme isn't working because without Garrett we have very little pass rush and our DBs stink, Peppers is too slow to react and Taylor is just getting abused this year. Yes we are Williams 6th team but he left Tennessee to become the Head Coach of the Bills, he left Washington when Joe Gibbs retired, he was fired by Jacksonville because he and HC Jack Del Rio didn't get along, he left New Orleans because he was suspeneded by the NFL, and he left the Rams when Jeff Fisher was fired. A lot of Defensive Coordinators are with a bunch of different teams. Wade Phillips has been with 9, Mike Nolan 7, Romeo - 4, and so on.
Who in the heck is Tyler Kroft ?
He looked like Jimmy Graham
Oh yeah Dalton was 16 for 16 at one point yesterday.
All I heard out of preseason was how great this defense was going to be
Dalton is Marc Bulger 2.0 and he looks like Tom Brady yesterday
I told everyone this WR core was garbage and I remain correct
Oh yeah it was a home game
Can this team look respectable at home ?


#gmstrong

Live, Love, Laugh
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,974
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,974
Originally Posted By: Dawg_LB
Who cares anymore. We're a bad football team with no hopes, tools or etc of improving.

What anyone sees is likely negative and pointless, because that's all to see. We're the worst football team in the league
Sadly, I concur. We are what we are. At this point in the season, we are not going to get better roster wise. They are going to roll with what they have.

Really makes you start to wonder about this FO.

Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 518
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 518
Sara Thompson blew an early whistle on us last year to lose us the game when she called a fumble on our game winning drive. It was not a fumble. Duke recovered it but Sara blew the it dead. She is horrible. Not as a person, but on the field!


Exciting football will be back in Cleveland this fall!
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 14,737
Likes: 106
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 14,737
Likes: 106
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
[quote=Dawg_LB]Who cares anymore. We're a bad football team with no hopes, tools or etc of improving.

What anyone sees is likely negative and pointless, because that's all to see.


See ya next Sunday!


Some day, following the example of the United States of America, there will be a United States of Europe.

George Washington
TONY #1326032 10/02/17 03:40 PM
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,974
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,974
Originally Posted By: TONY
Sara Thompson blew an early whistle on us last year to lose us the game when she called a fumble on our game winning drive. It was not a fumble. Duke recovered it but Sara blew the it dead. She is horrible. Not as a person, but on the field!
I almost forgot about that play.....thanks for reminding me flamingmad

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,942
Likes: 762
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,942
Likes: 762
Originally Posted By: dawg66
Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper

Gregg Williams is fools gold people. He's Rob Ryan 2.0 blitz happy big mouth DC. He's scheme isn't working and he's been with 6 teams for a reason
His scheme isn't working because without Garrett we have very little pass rush and our DBs stink, Peppers is too slow to react and Taylor is just getting abused this year.


Pretty much this.

Between Kizer and the above, that is the bulk of our issues right now.
We just don't have the talent to stop the pass in this scheme right now, and it is not helping that our DL cannot get to the QB on a regular basis... or, when we do, we leave the left side (defensive right) open for anyone to run for 15 yards. Guys get in there constantly, but they constantly miss and rarely disrupt anything.... and, because they don't make things happen, the QB is able to buy time and the CB's are left trying to cover twice as long as they should have to. Myles Garrett should help things. If nothing else, QB's and RB's shouldn't be able to constantly bounce to their left to clean grass.

As for Kizer.... I said it in preseason: I wanted us to do whatever was best for him and his development; I didn't care at all about "start the best QB" business because it isn't about this season, it is about the next five seasons. I felt that was for him to sit as I didn't think he was ready to be playing -- I believe that he is showing that I was right. I doubt we make the switch to Hogan, however, so Kizer will have to full-on implode or get injured for that switch to be made.


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 18,783
Likes: 920
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 18,783
Likes: 920
Quote:
Kizer is a big part of why we aren't winning. He has guys open early but doesn't throw the ball....


You're making the mighty assumption that the open receiver would actually catch the ball.


And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
- John Muir

#GMSTRONG
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,698
Likes: 390
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,698
Likes: 390
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
As for Kizer.... I said it in preseason: I wanted us to do whatever was best for him and his development; I didn't care at all about "start the best QB" business because it isn't about this season, it is about the next five seasons. I felt that was for him to sit as I didn't think he was ready to be playing -- I believe that he is showing that I was right. I doubt we make the switch to Hogan, however, so Kizer will have to full-on implode or get injured for that switch to be made.


This line of reasoning only works if there are flashes and the Browns win a few games. In other words, they need to avoid having the number one pick. If they get the number one pick, which is looking like it is highly probable, they are drafting a QB...either this regime or the new one. This whole year spent on training Kizer will be one long exercise in futility.

You have to win some games.

This year is going to go down as a complete waste.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,475
Likes: 161
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,475
Likes: 161
We suck....


<><

#gmstrong
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,804
Likes: 50
I
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
I
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,804
Likes: 50
Kizer was pressured 8 times Sunday with a so called great offensive line in front of him
4 man pressure. No exotic blitzes. And when Cincy unleashed blitzes from the 2nd level it worked
Anybody notice the Browns had to chip Carl Lawson on Joe Thomas side
When was the last time JT needed help?
I cant ever recall
Zeitler was getting man handled by Atkins too.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,674
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,674
Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
Kizer was pressured 8 times Sunday with a so called great offensive line in front of him
4 man pressure. No exotic blitzes. And when Cincy unleashed blitzes from the 2nd level it worked
Anybody notice the Browns had to chip Carl Lawson on Joe Thomas side
When was the last time JT needed help?
I cant ever recall
Zeitler was getting man handled by Atkins too.


1). It was Atkins lol he does that to almost everyone.

2). When kizer holds the ball for an average of over 3 seconds. Pocket will collapse at some point


I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Likes: 906
V
Legend
Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Likes: 906
I thought the pass protection was excellent. Kizer holds the ball way too long.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
Likes: 136
E
eotab Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
E
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
Likes: 136
Originally Posted By: rastanplan
One of the worst D showing we had,and the blame is on the rookie QB...

Yes, Kizer is not playing well, but at this time, who even cares.He's just the escape goat..


Yes...cause I think we have a very serviceable team. Play calling is good. I see WRs open, yes too many drops for a unit especially BRITT. But if we had a real QB not even a great one someone maybe a little better than Hoyer we would have had some wins already. This crap about nothing to suround the the rookie is just bs...he isn't the escape goat he is the guy most responsible for our losses. Point Blank no if,
ands or buts about it.



Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!

GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,804
Likes: 50
I
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
I
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,804
Likes: 50
Have you ever thought Kizer is holding the ball too long is because the Browns WRS can't get seperation?
Browns have the worst skill set of WR in the NFL.
Higgins and Britt couldn't start anywhere else in the NFL

Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,974
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,974
Tab, any rookie is going to miss some WR. at least 1 or 2 game. But I am seeing for the most part our guys are just not getting open. I do not see them breaking off routes when kizer starts to scramble to help him out.

I will say AB and Ben are the best at this in the NFL. As soon as that clock hits AB is looking to Ben to see where he is going. Looking for break off and move. That's his biggest attribute. He catches more balls of broken routes than he does on routes. They just have that chemistry and knowledge. We don't have that, or have any WR even trying to do that.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Kizer is the answer to our looooonnnnngggg problem at QB, he has plenty of issues. I am just pointing out that we have the worst group of WR I have ever seen play on a football team.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12,635
D
Legend
Offline
Legend
D
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12,635
People like Seth have been getting open and not seen. They point it out here and there on the TV.

Kizer is not helping our crew, and our crew is not helping Kizer because it doesn't seem often there's separation. it's just an overall bad.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 18,783
Likes: 920
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 18,783
Likes: 920
Those who say the receivers are not getting open....were you at the games or have the all 22?


And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
- John Muir

#GMSTRONG
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,804
Likes: 50
I
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
I
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,804
Likes: 50
Section 307 I saw the game

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,942
Likes: 762
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,942
Likes: 762
Originally Posted By: jfanent
Those who say the receivers are not getting open....were you at the games or have the all 22?


and do you know the routes and reads?

The question isn't simply "are they getting open?", it is "are they getting open at the times they should be for when Kizer is going through reads?".


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,494
Likes: 52
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,494
Likes: 52
Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
Have you ever thought Kizer is holding the ball too long is because the Browns WRS can't get seperation?
Browns have the worst skill set of WR in the NFL.
Higgins and Britt couldn't start anywhere else in the NFL


Yes our WRs do have some problems getting separation but when they do get open Kizer waits to long to throw the ball. I've seen quite a few times where he has a guy open underneath on crossing patterns but Kizer is so slow in making his reads that the WR runs himself back into coverage on the other side of the field.


#gmstrong

Live, Love, Laugh
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,942
Likes: 762
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,942
Likes: 762
Originally Posted By: dawg66
Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
Have you ever thought Kizer is holding the ball too long is because the Browns WRS can't get seperation?
Browns have the worst skill set of WR in the NFL.
Higgins and Britt couldn't start anywhere else in the NFL


Yes our WRs do have some problems getting separation but when they do get open Kizer waits to long to throw the ball. I've seen quite a few times where he has a guy open underneath on crossing patterns but Kizer is so slow in making his reads that the WR runs himself back into coverage on the other side of the field.


I'm thinking that Kizer is second guessing himself and whether or not the DB's can close the gaps on him before he can get the ball there.

He's had a number of INT's already, and I think it is in his head, which means he's thinking too much now. Paralysis by analysis.

He needs to learn the lessons but keep the gunslinger mentality.


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 66,909
Likes: 1296
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 66,909
Likes: 1296
Originally Posted By: dawg66
Yes our WRs do have some problems getting separation but when they do get open Kizer waits to long to throw the ball. I've seen quite a few times where he has a guy open underneath on crossing patterns but Kizer is so slow in making his reads that the WR runs himself back into coverage on the other side of the field.


Which is pretty much what one should expect from a 21 year old rookie in his fourth start.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 518
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 518
Originally Posted By: eotab
Originally Posted By: rastanplan
One of the worst D showing we had,and the blame is on the rookie QB...

Yes, Kizer is not playing well, but at this time, who even cares.He's just the escape goat..


Yes...cause I think we have a very serviceable team. Play calling is good. I see WRs open, yes too many drops for a unit especially BRITT. But if we had a real QB not even a great one someone maybe a little better than Hoyer we would have had some wins already. This crap about nothing to suround the the rookie is just bs...he isn't the escape goat he is the guy most responsible for our losses. Point Blank no if,
ands or buts about it.

I like this that someone sees it my way! Plus Hue has no clue! When we started the season last year with so many 3 and outs, then again this year with Pitts and the Ravens, I knew we were toast. Hue and Kizer are not our future!!


Exciting football will be back in Cleveland this fall!
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,974
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,974
Originally Posted By: jfanent
Those who say the receivers are not getting open....were you at the games or have the all 22?
Those saying they are open......are you at the game? Are you watching the Rec or the QB? are the rec open because the db left his assignment because kizer is already on the ground?

TONY #1326542 10/03/17 04:19 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 66,909
Likes: 1296
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 66,909
Likes: 1296
Yeah the Steelers throttled us!......... By three points.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 18,783
Likes: 920
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 18,783
Likes: 920
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Originally Posted By: jfanent
Those who say the receivers are not getting open....were you at the games or have the all 22?
Those saying they are open......are you at the game? Are you watching the Rec or the QB? are the rec open because the db left his assignment because kizer is already on the ground?


I believe several of the folks who went to the games said the receivers were open, that's why I asked the question in that manner. You said that for the most part they weren't open, how did you come to that conclusion?


And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
- John Muir

#GMSTRONG
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,195
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,195
Originally Posted By: jfanent
Quote:
Kizer is a big part of why we aren't winning. He has guys open early but doesn't throw the ball....


You're making the mighty assumption that the open receiver would actually catch the ball.


Just to test out this theory, I opened one of my Onkyo receivers and tossed a ball into it. It caught it.


#GMSTRONG
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,563
T
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
T
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,563
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: dawg66
Yes our WRs do have some problems getting separation but when they do get open Kizer waits to long to throw the ball. I've seen quite a few times where he has a guy open underneath on crossing patterns but Kizer is so slow in making his reads that the WR runs himself back into coverage on the other side of the field.


Which is pretty much what one should expect from a 21 year old rookie in his fourth start.


It still angers me that so many are overlooking this fact.

I really hope Jimmy gives them time to explore. Kizer has the tools, just give him a real, long term shot.


you had a good run Hank.
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Likes: 906
V
Legend
Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Likes: 906
Quote:


I'm thinking that Kizer is second guessing himself and whether or not the DB's can close the gaps on him before he can get the ball there.


I think that this is a good point. It's called "anticipation." He doesn't have it yet.

LOL.....well, at least I hope that is the explanation. I sure as heck don't want it to be that he can't process coverages fast enough.

Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,804
Likes: 50
I
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
I
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,804
Likes: 50
In a earlier thread you said Kizer being a 2nd year qb you can't expect too much out of him. Then you proclaimed his surrounding talent was good.
Yet now you want to sit him cause he's struggling ?
Hes shown more than Weeden or Manziel

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,674
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,674
Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
In a earlier thread you said Kizer being a 2nd year qb you can't expect too much out of him. Then you proclaimed his surrounding talent was good.
Yet now you want to sit him cause he's struggling ?
Hes shown more than Weeden or Manziel


As of right now he's weeden 2.0


I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 9
L
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
L
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 9
Originally Posted By: dawgpound101
Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
In a earlier thread you said Kizer being a 2nd year qb you can't expect too much out of him. Then you proclaimed his surrounding talent was good.
Yet now you want to sit him cause he's struggling ?
Hes shown more than Weeden or Manziel


As of right now he's weeden 2.0


sad how the 5 win seasons with weeden are the good ol days...lol

QB: Brandon Weeden, Colt McCoy

WR: Greg Little, Josh Gordon

LT: Joe Thomas, Oneil Cousins

LG: Jason Pinkston, Jarrod Shaw

C Alex Mack, John Greco

RG: Shawn Lauvao, Dominic Alford

RT: Mitchell Schwartz, Ryan Miller

TE: Ben Watson, Jordan Cameron

WR: Mohamed Massaquoi, Travis Benjamin

FB: Owen Marecic, Brad Smelley

RB: Trent Richardson, Montario Hardesty


I`m good with Baker... Playoffs is good enough for me.
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 9
L
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
L
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 9
sorry but what i saw was a worse team that people make fun of.


I`m good with Baker... Playoffs is good enough for me.
Page 1 of 2 1 2
DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 7 Bengals 31 What I saw Game 4

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5