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I see all of the defenders of Kenny Britt are quiet now I thought that Britt was a good signing ..... but he has been a real disappointment.
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I was always leary of free agent WRs who were drafted to be number 1s and have short unimpressive tenures with their teams
The Titans and Rams was tired of his 80% effort
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Quiet because of Britt.. or quiet because of Kizer ? It takes 2 to make a pass completion. Well he keeps hitting Britt in a bad place. The hands! That one was literally fired right into his chest. Right in the bread basket, and no catch. He's made some his way Britt should've had too though and that's where the disgust comes into play.
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Hogan was playing vs. The Bengals backups for the most part when he came in In garbage time. Yet when he came in the week before against the starters he played for 14 min. and we scored 10 points. So in less than 20 minutes of play we have scored 17 points with Hogan at QB.
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But he still is benched. It's clear we're okay with not winning as from the staff and team standpoint... but the fans I believe have stomached too much losing and too much poor display of people being paid millions to show up on Sundays like a trash being blown around in gusts of wind.
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Hogan was playing vs. The Bengals backups for the most part when he came in In garbage time. Yet when he came in the week before against the starters he played for 14 min. and we scored 10 points. So in less than 20 minutes of play we have scored 17 points with Hogan at QB. He also overthrew a bunch of receivers and had a horrible interception.
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This WR squad isn’t going to improve this season. We need a real target for Kiser or whoever is playing QB next year. I’m tired of 5’11 to 6’1” receivers and their small catch radius’. We need big targets. Real targets. Preferably targets that can catch the damn ball. Equanimeous St. Brown*, WR, Notre Dame Height: 6-4. Weight: 205. Projected 40 Time: 4.50. Projected Round (2018): 1. 9/9/17: Notre Dame rolled Temple 49-16 in Week 1. St. Brown contributed four receptions for 80 yards and a touchdown to the victory. 7/17/17: Sources who have done advance work on the 2018 class are really impressed and intrigued with St. Brown. They say he is a super-polished route runner with tremendous speed, athletic ability, body control, and hands. They said they think St. Brown could be more gifted and talented than the three wideouts who went in the top 10 of the 2017 NFL Draft, but St. Brown gets fewer opportunities to show his skill. In 2016, he had 58 receptions for 961 yards with nine touchdowns. Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018WR.php#ixzz4uT20SlAJ
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Hogan was playing vs. The Bengals backups for the most part when he came in In garbage time. Yet when he came in the week before against the starters he played for 14 min. and we scored 10 points. So in less than 20 minutes of play we have scored 17 points with Hogan at QB. He also overthrew a bunch of receivers and had a horrible interception. LOL..........another objective post. Kizer never does either of those. Look........I don't think we should bench Kize. I am not giving up on him. But, let's be real here. Hogan has played better than Kize has. It shouldn't even be a debate.
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Hogan was playing vs. The Bengals backups for the most part when he came in In garbage time. Yet when he came in the week before against the starters he played for 14 min. and we scored 10 points. So in less than 20 minutes of play we have scored 17 points with Hogan at QB. He also overthrew a bunch of receivers and had a horrible interception. LOL..........another objective post. Kizer never does either of those. Look........I don't think we should bench Kize. I am not giving up on him. But, let's be real here. Hogan has played better than Kize has. It shouldn't even be a debate. Where did I say anything about Kizer not doing either of those? Both are bad. The plan was to start Kizer and develop him as he plays. A plan shouldn't be scrapped after four weeks.
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lewis and higgins are goin to the probowl...
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I feel bad for Joe Thomas id cut joe thomas so he could find a real team
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Bottom line Hogan's stats are better, he looks better, and we score more points during his time on the field. If we were worried about winning this year he would be starting. However we are not worried about winning THIS year. We are worried about winning in 2018, 2019, and 2020. So unless Kizer gets hurt he will be starting all year.
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Bottom line Hogan's stats are better, he looks better, and we score more points during his time on the field. If we were worried about winning this year he would be starting. However we are not worried about winning THIS year. We are worried about winning in 2018, 2019, and 2020. So unless Kizer gets hurt he will be starting all year. I flat out think you win ballgames with Hogan but Hue is way way too prideful, stubborn and politically correct to make a change at QB!
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It has nothing to do with Pride or political correctness...He is building a young team. Until Kizer gets up to speed, this team is going no where better than treading water. Kizer is the most important player on this team currently. The rest of the team is losing games, Hogan would not be a difference maker.
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I flat out think you win ballgames with Hogan but Hue is way way too prideful, stubborn and politically correct to make a change at QB! Do you have some sort of proof that Hue is too prideful and stubborn to make a change? Do you really believe the FO isn't involved in the decision to start Kizer? And what in the hell does "politically correct" have to do w/the situation?
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This WR squad isn’t going to improve this season. We need a real target for Kiser or whoever is playing QB next year. I’m tired of 5’11 to 6’1” receivers and their small catch radius’. We need big targets. Real targets. Preferably targets that can catch the damn ball. Equanimeous St. Brown*, WR, Notre Dame Height: 6-4. Weight: 205. Projected 40 Time: 4.50. Projected Round (2018): 1. 9/9/17: Notre Dame rolled Temple 49-16 in Week 1. St. Brown contributed four receptions for 80 yards and a touchdown to the victory. 7/17/17: Sources who have done advance work on the 2018 class are really impressed and intrigued with St. Brown. They say he is a super-polished route runner with tremendous speed, athletic ability, body control, and hands. They said they think St. Brown could be more gifted and talented than the three wideouts who went in the top 10 of the 2017 NFL Draft, but St. Brown gets fewer opportunities to show his skill. In 2016, he had 58 receptions for 961 yards with nine touchdowns. Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018WR.php#ixzz4uT20SlAJ
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It has nothing to do with Pride or political correctness...He is building a young team. Until Kizer gets up to speed, this team is going no where better than treading water. Kizer is the most important player on this team currently. The rest of the team is losing games, Hogan would not be a difference maker. I've seen enough of Kizer to know that he should not be starting in the NFL, especially with no weapons. Hogan needs reps and sees the field better. Lets see what Kizer does against the Jets and go from there. It's not going to be pretty!!!
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I flat out think you win ballgames with Hogan but Hue is way way too prideful, stubborn and politically correct to make a change at QB! Do you have some sort of proof that Hue is too prideful and stubborn to make a change? Do you really believe the FO isn't involved in the decision to start Kizer? And what in the hell does "politically correct" have to do w/the situation? By politically correct I mean Hue was the one running his mouth on how Supreme Kizer is and that he has everything you want in a Franchise QB. Then he made him the starter without keeping OSweiler on the team. Now he has to defend his words with this mess he's created for everyone. He should have played Hogan when he knew Hogan moves the team easier when he playe in the pre-season games! Now Hue has to eat his words!!!!
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Then he made him the starter without keeping OSweiler on the team. Osweiler not being on this roster is because of the FO, not Hue IMO. That doesn't mean Hue wanted him, I'm not saying that. It's just that the plan from Day 1 of the BO trade was trying to flip him to another team. It was all about the draft pick.
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That's how you define politically correct? 
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Wide receiver Jordan Leslie’s stint on the Cleveland Browns active roster has once again come to an abrupt end. The wideout tweeted out the unfortunate news. Follow Jordan Leslie ✔@Jles9 Just can't catch a break... 9:17 AM - Oct 4, 2017 9 9 Replies 4 4 Retweets 14 14 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy The Browns signed another wide receiver, Bryce Treggs, on Tuesday and did not immediately announce any corresponding move to open up the roster spot. It appears Leslie is the victim. Treggs was signed off the Philadelphia Eagles practice squad, which means he must go straight to the active roster. Leslie caught one pass for 26 yards in the Week 3 loss in Indianapolis, but what a catch it was! He was consistently the best pass-catching wideout in training camp, which earned the BYU product (and UTEP grad) a devoted fan following. http://brownswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/0...ks-with-browns/
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When he clears waivers I'm sure he will be on the Practice Squad again.
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That's how you define politically correct? It's called organiztional political correctness.. 
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The Cleveland Browns have signed WR Bryce Treggs to the active roster off Philadelphia’s practice squad. To make room on the roster, the team waived WR Jordan Leslie with an injury designation. Treggs is 6-0, 185 pounds and in his second NFL season out of California. Originally signed by San Francisco as an undrafted free agent in 2016, Treggs appeared in nine games with the Eagles last year. He registered three receptions for 80 yards and two carries for seven yards. He spent the first four weeks this season on Philadelphia’s practice squad. Treggs finished his collegiate career ranked third in Cal history with 195 career receptions and fourth with 2,506 receiving yards. He is a native of Inglewood, Cal. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...medium=referral
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Does that mean Leslie actually had an injury, which would explain the move, or is it just an excuse for the move?
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Also we have signed HALL to our practice squad.
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Does that mean Leslie actually had an injury, which would explain the move, or is it just an excuse for the move?
waived/injured WR Jordan Leslie because of what is believed to be a torn hamstring, source said https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/915576264869781509
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Thanks, that's a bummer...I was looking forward to seeing what he could do.
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I hope Kenny finally gets it right. Most days I just want to see him cut and done, but he's never struggled like this. Perhaps most interestingly, I only saw positive things when it came to training camp. A lot of people in attendance, and media, spoke highly of how he looked and didn't speak of obvious issues.
When we signed Dwayne Bowe, it seemed obvious to all involved that from day one he was not the Dwayne Bowe of the past. That isn't what happened with Kenny.
I'm mildly hopeful it is just a confidence thing, and he can put together a few nice plays and get that confidence back - and return to being the guy we thought we were getting.
I like the Bryce Treggs move. I was a huge fan of Jared Goff and Treggs caught my eye every time I watched Goff. Doesn't have the measurable, but he's a dog of a receiver. Hard nosed, catches everything, isn't afraid to take contact and bring it in. Looking forward to seeing if Treggs or Bug Howard can work themselves in to playing time over the coming weeks.
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Do you really believe the FO isn't involved in the decision to start Kizer? There is no evidence to suggest the front office pushed Hue Jackson in either direction. Jackson has been glowing about Kizer ever since he named him the starter.
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I flat out think you win ballgames with Hogan but Hue is way way too prideful, stubborn and politically correct to make a change at QB! Do you have some sort of proof that Hue is too prideful and stubborn to make a change? Do you really believe the FO isn't involved in the decision to start Kizer? And what in the hell does "politically correct" have to do w/the situation? I think that we have had, going back as far as the reboot, posters who were in love with the backup. The kind that insisted that we could win, if only the right backup started. My favorite was when Charlie Frye was benched. Oh, we'd regret it. Once we traded him to the fat Walrus, oh Frye was going to really blossom. lol  The axiom is true, the backup QB is always the most popular player on the team.
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There is no evidence to suggest the front office pushed Hue Jackson in either direction. Jackson has been glowing about Kizer ever since he named him the starter. And he said to "trust him" about Kessler. I think some within our fan base need to look at the way Hue deals with his players. Some coaches are hard on their players by calling them out. Some use the tough love approach. Some coaches feel positive reinforcement is a better tactic. Both ways have been shown to work. Hue always supports and speaks highly about his players in the public eye. He always has. None of us really knows how he handles things behind the scenes, but in public, you will always here Hue gush about his players. Sometimes I don't think that means what people thinks it means.
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I agree with everything you just said.
But all cfrs was doing was "citing the evidence."
People are hypocrites when it comes to believing what they want to believe. If there is evidence in the form of articles, people lean on that or they ask someone to "provide the article." Then sometimes the same people will say they don't agree with what the article says and "we really don't know."
Bottom line is people believe what they want to believe.
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I don't really disagree with you for the most part. It just seems to me, yes my opinion, that everyone overestimated the talent, or the development of the talent on this roster and in their frustration, are looking for someone to blame for it.
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Do you really believe the FO isn't involved in the decision to start Kizer? There is no evidence to suggest the front office pushed Hue Jackson in either direction. Jackson has been glowing about Kizer ever since he named him the starter. I'd imagine the front office is aware who Hue is going to start, but the front office has no influence on who Hue chooses to play at QB. Maybe they discuss things, but the decision is ultimately Hue's.
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I have a slightly different take.
I don't think people overestimated it. I bet if we went back through the prediction thread we would find many more 3-5 win predictions than overly optimistic.
I think what has people spun up is the Browns are the 32nd ranked team in the league by a large margin. I think people are ok with the losses. I think they are ok with lacking talent. But neither of those are reasons not to put a respectable, competitive product on the field.
I think people are most upset with what appears to be this large, seemingly insurmountable margin we seem to be from everyone else. I mean let's be honest, the Bengals were toying with the Browns. "Toying" should never occur at the professional level.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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My thing is, I understand doing a rebuild, but when you break it down to studs while at the same time accumulating tons of assets in the form of picks and cap, the rebuild shouldn't take as long as doing a half-assed rebuild. We could have upgraded talent faster than we have been. Or i should say we could have rebuilt more efficiently by being better at identifying talent. We passed on alot of guys while taking less talented guys.
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Then he made him the starter without keeping OSweiler on the team. Osweiler not being on this roster is because of the FO, not Hue IMO. That doesn't mean Hue wanted him, I'm not saying that. It's just that the plan from Day 1 of the BO trade was trying to flip him to another team. It was all about the draft pick. i think hue was going to start OSweiler. thats why he is gone. funny how joe thomas said he talks to hue about things like that and joe said OSweiler was going to be the starter.
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