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In fact the police in Vegas are saying this morning that they don't think he could have done this without some help from someone.. The book isn't closed on this

Anyone watch the police press conference last night? to me, I am not getting the impression they think someone else was there, maybe a second shooter. He kept saying "evidence for prosecution" what do you have to prosecute, hes dead???? And he kind was giving a "come on now" look when asked if he thought anyone else was involved. IDK just my thoughts on the presser.

I also got the impression that they are getting some interesting information. Of course this all based on just my opinion and the police and FBI agents body language and facial expressions. But its all conjecture at this point.

He was shooting from two different windows.

Isis claimed responsibility so there's that. I can't remember an attack that they claimed responsibility and weren't involved in some sort. We shall see.

After shooting himself in the head?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl...laim/731172001/

The only question is now, what is the Trump Administration going to do about it? they already claimed responsibility....we need to get retribution, and soon...this cna't be tolerated or just ignored...

That only happened when he realized his escape plan had been foiled.

You are talking about getting retribution against ISIS?

What, destroying their caliphate and killing them by the boatload isn't good enough? We are currently fighting them and freeing their final city! We get retribution on a daily basis!

LINK

Here is a question, it seems the gentleman has been buying guns for a long time, however since October of 2016 he has purchased 33.

Last night at the press conference a reporter asked about this and the Sheriff mentioned something to the likes of "we noticed that too" and he smiled almost.

Anyone have an theories as to about that timeline?

Sale at Cabeleas ?

Yes, I have a theory.

This guy had money and lived a simple life with few distractions.
He decided somewhere along the way to be the ultimate terrorist.
He plotted, he planned, he thought out what it would take to be this ultimate terrorist.

He attacked an unsuspecting crowd, killing randomly. Some died, some were wounded all by the luck of the draw. The bullets fell where they did.
He was never political, he never hated or worked for a cause. He was this quiet man without much of a history. He was any man.

We are left with nothing, nothing to point a finger at, nothing to say, "Oh, that is why he did it."

He left us all with one thing and that is the terror that it can happen at any time, at any place, by anyone who is no one.

Pure Terror.

Your theory is as good as anything out there.

I'm glad you posted this.

Your theory kind of glosses over the most important part...

And what is that?

I do believe the shooter's motive(s) will eventually come out. Until then we can only really speculate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/vegas-motive-mass-shootings.html

No Manifesto, No Phone Calls: Las Vegas Killer Left Only Cryptic Clues

LAS VEGAS — The man who killed 49 people at an Orlando nightclub last year pledged allegiance to the Islamic State, in a 911 call, as the massacre unfolded. The sniper who shot to death five police officers in Dallas told the police that his goal was to attack white people. The man who attacked a black church in Charleston posted a racist manifesto online.

In one mass shooting after another, gunmen have offered telling evidence of their motives: complaining of “baby parts” after a shooting at Planned Parenthood, sympathizing with the Islamic State with a Facebook post on the day of the San Bernardino shooting, asking members of Congress if they were Republicans before pulling the trigger at a congressional baseball practice.

But in the four days since Stephen Paddock’s attack in Las Vegas — a shooting rampage that left 58 dead and hundreds seriously wounded — what drove him has remained a mystery, vexing the public and putting enormous pressure on federal and local investigators to find answers.

“In the spirit of the safety of this community or anywhere else in the United States I think it’s important to provide that information, but I don’t have it,” Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said in an interview Thursday. “We don’t know it yet.”

No grandiose manifesto has been found. No account of Mr. Paddock behaving dangerously or holding extremist views has emerged from neighbors or relatives. Unlike past killers, Mr. Paddock did not dial up the police to explain his actions.

The F.B.I. took Mr. Paddock’s computers and cellphones to its laboratory in Quantico, Va., for review, law enforcement officials said. Agents interviewed his girlfriend, Marilou Danley, in an attempt to determine his mental state at the time of the shooting, but Sheriff Lombardo said he was “not at liberty to say” what information had been learned.

Of course, investigators could at any time come across evidence that reveals Mr. Paddock’s thinking. “I’m pretty confident we’ll get there,” Sheriff Lombardo said.

Agents have fanned out across the country, interviewing family members and friends and looking for signs of mental illness.

Mr. Paddock left a trail of clues that are, so far, more cryptic than revealing: There was a note in his hotel room whose exact contents the authorities have yet to reveal. Sheriff Lombardo said that it contained numbers that were being analyzed for their relevance, and that it was not a manifesto or suicide note.

[Cutting the rest of the article off due to length. The above is pretty much the gist of it anyway.]

You guys are missing the obvious.

The shooter's dad was on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list when the shooter was ~12 years-old.


His dad was one of the 10 worst criminals in a country of ~ 200 million and described as a psychopath.

Those are like winning Powerball numbers.

The part I'd like explained is how he didn't go ballistic until he was 64 years-old.

If I was forced to guess, I'd say it's the realization most people get in their 60s that their death is just around the corner. They're in the "4th quarter" of life.

That combined with having a criminally insane dad. (my diagnosis as a professional tax preparer.)

And he recently started taking Valium. That certainly has a mental effect.



The brain inside that head had a defect.

I have now seen most of the videos from people on the scene.

I watch, I think, I suspect, I analyze.

The thing I come away with that most shakes me is when I see the crowd, all packed together, and I hear the shots, is the fact that only 49 people were killed.

That to me is just nuts! Thank God it wasn't hundreds killed.
It could easily have been hundreds.

I was just there a few months ago. My wife and I stayed at The Luxor which is connected to Mandalay Bay. They are basically on thesame property.

The Ampitheater sits on the othern side of Las Vegas aroundn the same area as the airport . I guess he was also shooting at a large tank that held jet fuel n hopes of making that explode. If that had happened the death toll would have been in the thousands

He pierced the tanks a couple times but they did not go.
He also was looking to buy tracer ammo to see where he was going and supposedly hitting

Our first glich in the guy being a genious as Jet fuel is a lot like Diesel fuel and does not ignite easily if memory as a Fire Chief serves me well. Needs to be atomized (fine sprayed) to burn well.

Correct.

Even so, the guy had bad intentions. (obviously)

And I think diesel fuel would even extinguish a tracer round as I have seen a flare dunked into a bucket of diesel and do nothing as long as it stayed submerged. (Firemen like to play and experiment with these things)

What happens if it doesn't stay submerged? I am assuming it is pretty watchable violent stuff. Now I wonder and I am fresh out of tracers.

When You remove the flare from diesel and hold it at the top of the fuel it heats the fuel and begins to ignite.

A tracer round burns off pretty fast so I think it would actually cool and go out while inside the jet fuel tank, even after just a second.

This fuel doesn't explode except when atomized in an engine, then it makes jets fly with power.

Gasoline doesn't work like that because it is so volatile you can't get anywhere near the bucket with a flare without blowing yourself up.

Don't anybody try this crap at home, hear!
I learned it at State Fire School under extremely controlled conditions.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled program...

You're absolutely correct.

Jet A is actually super-refined Kerosene.

You are right , I am a diesel mechanic. You could throw a match in a bucket of diesel and it would not ignite. Diesel has to be under immense compression to explode(the type of pressure that occurs in a cylinder head).

I guess I meant was two different things. He tried piercing the tanks to see if the jet fuel would catch on fire. They surmized he wanted Tracer rounds to see where his shots were going and if they were hitting people in the crowd. Because he was on the 32nd Floor 4 to 500 yards away they think he needed the Tracer to see if he was making it to the general area he wanted to go

Your point is a good one and perhaps that is why only 58 people were killed out of something like 22,000.

The guy was a Sicko Dude.

agreed.

What a world... that such people should inhabit it.

j/c

I don't believe he targeted the jet fuel. Out of all the rounds he shot, only two hit the tanks. Sounds far more like errant shots or ricochet.

That is why running would have been the best course. You can't spot fire from 300 yards with a M60. You can with a M40

'The Las Vegas shooter's road to 47 guns'

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/stephen-paddock-47-guns/index.html

"Investigators discovered 23 guns in his hotel room in Las Vegas in the immediate hours after the attack, plus another 24 at his homes in Mesquite and Verdi, Nevada, near Reno."
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If it was indeed only him doing the shooting then why would he need 23 guns with him? You'd obviously need a lot of bullets, but all those guns? No.

At the very least it seems very odd. It doesn't make sense.

If you’ve got the cash, why not? I have 15 guns. I don’t need 15 for any particular reason, I just like them. I have fun shooting them. I have enough ammo to have a lot of fun. I have .22, 7.62x39, .308 Winchester, 30-06, 9mm, 38 Special, .357 Magnum and 12 gauge. I enjoy shooting them and cleaning them. They are all fine pieces of machinery and I treat them with respect.

So how many is too many? I have a lot more albums than I have guns. How many albums can I have before I have too many? I have way too many DVD’s/Blu-rays. I have a DVD jukebox that holds 400 and I have more not in it. I have two schnauzers, I don’t need two schnauzers. I could get by with only one. Should I get rid of one or do I even need a dog at all?

These are my preferences and they break no laws in their numbers. So focus on the laws broken and not some arbitrary number someone exceeds. As mentioned in the religious thread, live and let live.

Why would you even bring that many guns for yourself (if you were him)? Just to shoot them all? Was he expecting help? Did he have help? Seems odd to me. My question/point was perhaps he wasn't the only shooter? I don't know...

"Oh, I'll just take half of my collection?"

That's a lotta guns for just one shooter.

Personally If I was so inclined I would just go with one or maybe two bump stock rifles and load up on ammo. There is no need for 23 or whatever the count was. That’s overkill. I could load up on .223 or 762x39 ammo and drive a couple of weapons until the barrel was about to melt and switch to the other.

I think this was much less structured and more opportunistic than currently being reported.

HUH????? C'mon man.

I have 2 as well. After that we differ.

1. I need 2 Schnauzers!
2. I couldn't get by with only 1.
3. I need a dog and I need both.