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Wonder if Memphis still thinks it's me making things up? LOL

I do have to address a lot of negative posts on this thread.

The owner and FO blew this up a couple of years ago. Almost every single one of you were on board w/it. You belittled anyone who questioned the plan. You went on and on about how great analytics were and how we finally had a great working plan.

You were fine when Jimmy said it was a multiyear plan. You criticized poster[s] when when he/they said that losing takes a toll on the players, coaching, FO personnel, ownership, media, and fan base.

You were crowing in the off-season about all this supposed talent we have acquired and how other teams were jealous of how intelligent our FO was.

Now, all is forgotten and people have their feathers ruffled.

I thought the plan was stupid from the get-go because I believe that football is far different from baseball because you don't have a minor league system and you don't play almost every day of the week.

Losses are magnified in the NFL in comparison to losses in baseball. That is undeniable.

However, we did indeed commit to this plan. Thus, we need to stick w/it for at least 3 years. Firing people would only cause more problems.

Get a grip!

ok, i was at the game and needed to take a break from the team, so i waited to post. i have not read any other posts yet, as i was afraid that there would be homer-posts talking about some positives, whatever those may be. and that would just torque me off.

i was not one of those who saw an 8-10 win team challenging for the playoffs. I predicted 4-12, optimistically. what i was hoping to see, actually expecting to see, was progress and growth. after 4 games, i did not think that would be too much to expect, some semblance of growth and cohesion. young players starting to gel.

what i saw was not close. was the opposite, actually. this team looked better in week 1 than in weeks 3 and 4. and the week 1 opponent was the best team faced so far.

did we surprise Pittsburgh? and that's why it was not a blow out? and then we figured no other teams would look at the tape and adjust for what we were doing? do we not do that? i'm afraid of the answer.

this was the annual trip the men's club at my church makes to Cleveland. We left before the 3rd quarter was complete. it was humiliating.

before the first half was over i saw keny britt rise the challenge laid before him by his head coach and drop 3 passes as well as commit a false start. one of those drops was in the red zone and ended up in a defender's hands for a pick. the stadium announcer was charitable and called it a tipped pass. clanking off of the WR's hands and chest is not a tip. devalve, the sure handed TE, had a drop as well.

the loud standing ovation when britt caught one was a nice touch.

there was some hope when we recovered that fumble on cincy's first drive. crow with a nice 5 yard run. then a missed block gave those 5 yards back. then britt dops a pass and we miss the FG. sigh.

i do not get the defense at all. maybe gregg has had success with this plan, but we are not pulling it off. the 12-15 yard pass is there for the taking, every freakin' time. every. freakin'. time.

if a team gains 4 yards every play, you cannot stop them. they will grind and churn for first down after first down until they score. cincy and indy realized that 12-15 yards on every play is even better. and we leave it there for the taking. every. freakin'. time.

peppers playing that deep is useless. he is terrible in the open field and having him as the last line of defense is not working. his angles of attack are atrocious. that one ridiculously long screen pass (embarrassing how he shredded the defense) i was watching peppers come up to make a play. we tried to figure out what he was thinking. instead of heading him off, or even going right at him, it looked like he tried to loop around the blockers to catch him from behind. that was when he got clotheslined. unbelievable no-call, unless i missed something. but anyway, peppers pursuit was crap.

the backwards pass looked backwards, maybe not. the stadium did not really show a lot of replays, and i have heard the nfl does not want that at times, so as to not stir up the fans. it did look like a backwards pass to us. we thought maybe they blew it dead, but if so then they should not have allowed the review.

so ... i think i need a break from the team. i will never stop being a browns fan, and i cannot fathom the concept of following another team. so this is not an empty "i am done with this team" statement. i think i will step away from watching them, and this board, for a bit. i need to de-compress. and, frankly, the team does not deserve my time right now.

if someone gave me a ticket, i would not take it.

thanks for letting me vent, not that you had a choice.

Cap, I'm with you.

Great post.

I am feeling a lot of this too. I knew we would be bad, but we are showing no signs of improving and are getting rolled by bad teams. This is the first week I've ever watched only the RedZone.

About what? I'll need you to be a bit more specific on that topic.

Had you quoted the entire post the questions would have been obvious.

No problem. You kept saying I was full of crap about people placing the blame on Hue. You still think that way? Wanna apologize? Or, will you do what you normally do and twist the message around and act like I am the one spinning crap?

I'm caught between supporting our coach, who has a rookie quarterback with a roster that quite frankly isn't deep, isn't good and feeling like this isn't going to get better . There are some young players, who can potentially be good, but without Myles Garrett on the field, without Jamie Collins, no Shelton the other day, no Coleman, etc... You just don't have the depth.

With all that said, I don't think Hue is getting the most out of this group. I feel like the coaches can be doing a better job.

I don't want to see us fire another coach and come in with a new regime and system and start this thing over AGAIN, but these guys need to do better. It's not asking for too much if we see a little bit more disciplined football.

Deshone Kizer has a LONG way to go. His accuracy problems really showed on Sunday. He needs a really good offseason program.

Would also help if the people he were throwing the ball to would hold on to it. It's nearly impossible to watch this team.

The Gio Bernard touchdown was a good microcosm of the last 17 years of this garbage.

The talent/depth/QB excuse only goes so far. The last two weeks have been inexcusable. It's year two, and a lot of the mental errors and stupidity should have been left behind.

I don't want to pretend that I'm some guru when it comes to the game of football, or that I know more than the guys who do this for a living, but you can't tell me there isn't a better option on some other team's practice squad than Kenny Britt. That guy clearly just wants his paycheck.

Kind of an unrelated question and not really sure where to put it so I will place it here and relate it to the game.

There was one play where a Db blitzed, came in untouched and sacked Kizer. He clearly never saw it coming.

Additionally, there is always a lot of talk about recognizing the defense pre-snap.

So here's my question: What's up with the helmet mics? Can we not have an offensive coach in the booth talking to Kizer? "Defense is in a cover2", "watch out for the corner blitzing"?

The mics are enabled until what 5 or 10 seconds before the play clock runs out right? Am I wrong? Am I missing something?

Coach has until 15 seconds left on the play clock or the ball is snapped, whichever happens first.

While a coach could point out some things for a few seconds (after giving out the play), don’t forget the time where it’s crucial the qb relays the play to his 10 guys, as well as start his cadences.

In a no huddle situation you may be able to get out a pointer or two though.

I agree with this. Blowing things up every 2 -3 years will keep the Browns tied to the whipping post.

and if we dont blow this up we wont be tied to the whipping post

I believe I said you were full of crap saying so many people wanted Hue fired and that you were promoting the idea of Hue being fired just as much as the two/three people on the fire Hue thread at the time. And yes, I do think Hue should take a good amount of blame for what been going on. I think he has done some dumb things. But when people say that, it doesn't automatically mean they want him fired. And I sure don't. You equate that non-stop to all these posters wanting him gone. I think that's crap.

I think it's pretty evident the regular posters on here want to see Hue get at least another year. Are there some that don't? Sure. But I think the majority don't want him fired even if they put some of the blame on him.

I for one hope they keep the whole organization together for at least three more years ! I want to see what the Championship Browns of 2020 look like .. Yea right !

j/c

I'll admit: I think Hue has underperformed here so far. I thought he'd be better as a game manager, QB coach, play caller, etc. He hasn't been very good IMO.

Granted, our talent level is BEYOND bad. So I take coaching with a grain of salt in that regard.

However, despite the poor record and the awful performances, I still want to give the FO and Hue another full season. If we don't, we'll just be spinning our tires AND won't be able to attract ANY qualified coach anyways.

If we finish the year at like 1-15 and start next year at 0-5 ... yeah, then we'll be talking exit.

Peppers playing safety is just too much for me....

The Gio TD should get someone fired and benched.... It was that disgusting....

Yep, Hue amazingly forgot how to call plays when he got to Cleveland.

He also scrapped all of his old plays that worked so well in other places and invented an entire new playbook of dumb plays that have no chance of working.

Y'all never cease to amaze me.

Hue was a much better HC in cinci also .... oh wait ...

What does being a HC have to do w/the playbook?

Do you really believe he scrapped the old one and invented all new plays?

Keep laughing hysterically at everything I say. The other girls like it.

Is time management a foriegn concept to u? Its a concept me and the other girls understand .... if u need some help with it, just ask .......

I never mentioned time management.

Ya you did .... if u need help seeing that your in much deeper trouble than i thought ...

Well he did take an underachieving Oakland team and go 8-8 with them.

Hue has his flaws and I would agree that time management is one of them. But there is evidence that Hue can be a successful HC with less than optimum talent.

This is what you quoted.



You're trying too hard!

No I'm not ... based off Pit's response were talking appleas and oranges here ....

I am saying time mgmt. in the sense that he now can't devote all his time to being OC .. that he spends time doing HC stuff and that takes away from his time as OC ... example: if he used to be in 30 offensive meetings/film study/game planning a week ... now he may only have time for 20 of them instead of all 30 cause he has to go to D meetings ...

Capiche?

Based off Pits response I'm thinking him and possibly U think I'm talking about in game time mgmt. ... that is for sure something he sucks at .... *L* .... but none the less if my ASSumption is correct then were talking apples and oranges ....

Am i wrong?