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The Maryland city that drew national attention this week for passing a measure to allow illegal immigrants and other non-citizens to cast ballots in local elections said Friday night the change is void because it didn’t get enough yes votes.





Four of seven city council members in College Park, Md., voted on Tuesday night in favor of the measure.

But the city said late Friday that any amendment to the city charter requires six yes votes for passage.




While most measures before the city council require only a simple majority for passage, College Park in June increased the number of votes needed to amend the charter to seven, official also said.

The council is scheduled to revisit the issue at a meeting Tuesday of next week.

If the vote had stood, College Park, where the University of Maryland’s flagship campus is located, would have become the 11th municipality just in Maryland to allow non-citizens to vote in local races.



Council member Fazlul Kabir did not vote Tuesday and said his concerns were as much about the process as the measure.

“I think we went too fast and didn’t give our residents a chance to speak,” he told Fox News on Friday.

Kabir said the measure is a “good thing” because it gives more residents the opportunity to make elected officials more responsible.

“But the risk is that this could be a slippery slope,” he said. “Other cities can do this. And the change could trickle down beyond College Park to counties and states, and it could even become a national issue. That’s the risk I was feeling.”

San Francisco plans to allow non-citizens to vote in local board of education races beginning in 2018. In Massachusetts, the city of Cambridge and the town of Amherst have moved to introduce non-citizen voting and are awaiting approval, according to the Massachusetts State House News Service.

And for the past few years, New York City has weighed whether to allow non-citizens to participate in city elections.


Its a sad, sad, day when this is even considered. Question, why are the leftist ok with illegals trying to change the outcome of elections but are throwing investigations and millions at looking at what Russia did? Seems like because its ok as long as they win, to me.

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Its a sad, sad, day when this is even considered. Question, why are the leftist ok with illegals trying to change the outcome of elections but are throwing investigations and millions at looking at what Russia did? Seems like because its ok as long as they win, to me.



I'm good with illegals not being able to vote in any election in the U.S. As for Non-citizen legal green card holders being allowed to vote on things such as their local school board directors or for dog catchers and such in their local township doesn't seem too crazy. But yeah I guess it could be looked at as a slippery slope. So I don't have a beef with this at all.


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Its a sad, sad, day when this is even considered. Question, why are the leftist ok with illegals trying to change the outcome of elections but are throwing investigations and millions at looking at what Russia did? Seems like because its ok as long as they win, to me.


Umm the article never mentioned Illegals. I know people like you think all non citizens are illegals.

I'm good with illegals not being able to vote in any election in the U.S. As for Non-citizen legal green card holders being allowed to vote on things such as their local school board directors or for dog catchers and such in their local township doesn't seem too crazy. But yeah I guess it could be looked at as a slippery slope. So I don't have a beef with this at all.
I say illegals because that is where the dem party is trying to get too and this was the first step towards that. they start with this, then move to the next, and the next. I would actually have more respect for the left if they just came out and said it as opposed to trying to hide it with false accusations and talking points.

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Texas just passed a law where you have to prove you are who you say you are with ID to vote. thumbsup

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Calm down. I agree it's a slippery slope. I saw they did use the term Illegal. I fixed my post. Relax.


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And if they are here working and residing permanently , why not just apply for citizenship if you want to vote? Why must we change our laws to suit the select few?

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Calm down. I agree it's a slippery slope. I saw they did use the term Illegal. I fixed my post. Relax.
Where did it say I was flustered that I need to calm down?? Usually ALL CAPS means yelling, I do not see any. . . .

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Texas just passed a law where you have to prove you are who you say you are with ID to vote. thumbsup


I agree with that and they should also give voter ID cards free of charge to everyone that is eligible to vote if they want it.


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why not just apply for citizenship if you want to vote?


And you are assuming they haven't.


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Texas just passed a law where you have to prove you are who you say you are with ID to vote. thumbsup


I agree with that and they should also give voter ID cards free of charge to everyone that is eligible to vote if they want it.
This was actually proposed, and the left shot it down, "it was too hard for people to go get the id"

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why not just apply for citizenship if you want to vote?


And you are assuming they haven't.
personal experience, yes.

My best friend was PRA for over 10 years. Just this year he decided he wanted to become a citizen. It took him less than 2 months to get citizenship. I asked him about the process, he said he was rather easy. A lot easier than his former country of Mexico. smile

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Texas just passed a law where you have to prove you are who you say you are with ID to vote. thumbsup


I agree with that and they should also give voter ID cards free of charge to everyone that is eligible to vote if they want it.
This was actually proposed, and the left shot it down, "it was too hard for people to go get the id"


No, it was appealed and the Court ruled it can be used for this coming November elections...

Federal court says Texas can use new voter ID law for November elections

The state of Texas can use its revised voter ID measure for the upcoming November elections, a divided federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/09/05/federal-appeals-court-approves-new-texas-voter-id-law/

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why not just apply for citizenship if you want to vote?


And you are assuming they haven't.
personal experience, yes.

My best friend was PRA for over 10 years. Just this year he decided he wanted to become a citizen. It took him less than 2 months to get citizenship. I asked him about the process, he said he was rather easy. A lot easier than his former country of Mexico. smile


Umm you do know you have to be in the USA for seven consecutive years before you can even apply for citizenship don't you? My wife is Canadian and her processing took over a year from start to finish and that was before 2001. It takes longer now and is more expensive.


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why not just apply for citizenship if you want to vote?


And you are assuming they haven't.
personal experience, yes.

My best friend was PRA for over 10 years. Just this year he decided he wanted to become a citizen. It took him less than 2 months to get citizenship. I asked him about the process, he said he was rather easy. A lot easier than his former country of Mexico. smile


Umm you do know you have to be in the USA for seven consecutive years before you can even apply for citizenship don't you?


Well since you try to be smug, its actually 5 years, 3 if your married.......

Link - Path to Citizenship

The problem with your thoughts on if they are PRA is....ding ding ding, they are not citizens. Why should someone who is not a citizen have a right to vote for anything - local or national level?

In my friends case, they were not sure if they wanted to stay here or go back. He decided about year 8 he was going to stay, but still never applied for citizenship. He only applied not because he wanted to vote and buy a firearm w/ CCP.

Another story about my friend. His wife is American, born and raised. They wanted their daughter whom they were pregnant with to have duel citizenship. They had to move to mexico, have the baby there, and live there for a period of time for her to get citizenship in mexico. I asked why they did it that way, he stated "its much easier to get citizenship in USA then in Mexico". Weird huh?

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why not just apply for citizenship if you want to vote?


And you are assuming they haven't.
personal experience, yes.

My best friend was PRA for over 10 years. Just this year he decided he wanted to become a citizen. It took him less than 2 months to get citizenship. I asked him about the process, he said he was rather easy. A lot easier than his former country of Mexico. smile


Umm you do know you have to be in the USA for seven consecutive years before you can even apply for citizenship don't you? My wife is Canadian and her processing took over a year from start to finish and that was before 2001. It takes longer now and is more expensive.
Again, your comment is false. Maybe not in 2001, but it is now. It took him 2 months, maybe 3 tops if memory is correct. It does not take longer now, because this was just this year he did it. Ill by his experience over yours from 16 years ago especially since you already said 7 years and its 5 (3 if married).

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Yeah Ok, I see they changed those requirements. It was 7 years married or not when my wife applied. Finger print and the background vetting process took 6mo's. But still 5 years is not overnight.
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Why should someone who is not a citizen have a right to vote for anything - local or national level?


They shouldn't. We agree it's a slippery slope if they allow them to do so.

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Another story about my friend. His wife is American, born and raised. They wanted their daughter whom they were pregnant with to have duel citizenship. They had to move to mexico, have the baby there, and live there for a period of time for her to get citizenship in mexico. I asked why they did it that way, he stated "its much easier to get citizenship in USA then in Mexico". Weird huh?


Not really it's much easier to get a US citizenship then almost every country on the planet. It's called the American dream.


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Not really it's much easier to get a US citizenship then almost every country on the planet. It's called the American dream


That's what I said he said. That's why they had her born in mexico, because she would already be a US Citizen as her mother was. Being born in Mexico gave her dual citizenship. If she was born here, they would have to apply for her to get citizenship in Mexico, and that is a process he said no one wants to go through.

But how come the left tries to make it even easier to become a citizen? Its already the easiest in the world you say, why does it need to be easier? Why is it ok for other countries to make it near impossible to become a citizen, yet we are racist when we want to protect our boarders?

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why does it need to be easier?


It doesn't need to be and frankly I know it isn't any easier then before. Maybe the length of time before you can apply for citizenship has been shortened as you pointed out but it isn't easier and it's much more expense than before 2001.


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I don't know the exact number, but when I did ask him the cost, he said it was not that much. If I remember to ask him I will try to find out the exact number he paid. But again, he did say the cost was minute.

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California lawmakers approve landmark 'sanctuary state' bill to expand protections for immigrants

California lawmakers on Saturday passed a “sanctuary state” bill to protect immigrants without legal residency in the U.S., part of a broader push by Democrats to counter expanded deportation orders under the Trump administration.

The legislation by Sen. Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles), the most far-reaching of its kind in the country, would limit state and local law enforcement communication with federal immigration authorities, and prevent officers from questioning and holding people on immigration violations.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-sanctuary-state-bill-20170916-story.html

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California becomes a 'sanctuary state'

Gov Jerry Brown signed the Sanctuary State legislation yesterday.

The legislation bars police from sharing information about people with federal immigration agents unless that person has been convicted of certain crimes.

Seems Obstruction of Justice is now the Law in California. thumbsdown

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California becomes a 'sanctuary state'

Gov Jerry Brown signed the Sanctuary State legislation yesterday.

The legislation bars police from sharing information about people with federal immigration agents unless that person has been convicted of certain crimes.

Seems Obstruction of Justice is now the Law in California. thumbsdown


They are only following the path of trump when it comes to obstructing justice.

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Fake News!

I have facts and proof of California's actions. thumbsup

You got squat. thumbsdown

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California becomes a 'sanctuary state'

Gov Jerry Brown signed the Sanctuary State legislation yesterday.

The legislation bars police from sharing information about people with federal immigration agents unless that person has been convicted of certain crimes.

Seems Obstruction of Justice is now the Law in California. thumbsdown


They are only following the path of trump when it comes to obstructing justice.

So the state that started this in 1985 is following the path of the guy who has been President for 9 months?


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Looks like we’re heading toward a California vs ICE stand off.


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Looks like we’re heading toward a California vs ICE stand off.


During the Civil War they called it Secession.

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Looks like we’re heading toward a California vs ICE stand off.


During the Civil War they called it Secession.


While unlikely to go that route, due to your recent rhetoric, I expect you and all these other conservatives to respect and support states rights if this goes down.

We will see how much states rights matters then.


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Looks like we’re heading toward a California vs ICE stand off.


During the Civil War they called it Secession.


While unlikely to go that route, due to your recent rhetoric, I expect you and all these other conservatives to respect and support states rights if this goes down.

We will see how much states rights matters then.


States do not have a right to disobey the law.

Perhaps Trump will Federalized the National Guard and order them to arrest the Governor of California as is his right.

Kennedy did just that in Alabama in the 1960's with orders to hold open the schools as Governor Wallace had ordered the State Police to keep them Segregated.

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Looks like we’re heading toward a California vs ICE stand off.


During the Civil War they called it Secession.


While unlikely to go that route, due to your recent rhetoric, I expect you and all these other conservatives to respect and support states rights if this goes down.

We will see how much states rights matters then.


States do not have a right to disobey the law.

Perhaps Trump will Federalized the National Guard and order them to arrest the Governor of California as is his right.

Kennedy did just that in Alabama in the 1960's with orders to hold open the schools as Governor Wallace had ordered the State Police to keep them Segregated.


Wonder if he national guard would respect that order.

That could turn bloody.


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It would be fantastic if the Feds take out the hippies in Cali.


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Looks like we’re heading toward a California vs ICE stand off.


During the Civil War they called it Secession.


While unlikely to go that route, due to your recent rhetoric, I expect you and all these other conservatives to respect and support states rights if this goes down.

We will see how much states rights matters then.


States do not have a right to disobey the law.

Perhaps Trump will Federalized the National Guard and order them to arrest the Governor of California as is his right.

Kennedy did just that in Alabama in the 1960's with orders to hold open the schools as Governor Wallace had ordered the State Police to keep them Segregated.


Wonder if he national guard would respect that order.

That could turn bloody.


That would end when Mad Dog put a bullet in the Commanders arse.

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You’re advocating that Mattis put a bullet in the commander in chiefs ass?

Settle down, Maxine.


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You’re advocating that Mattis put a bullet in the commander in chiefs ass?

Settle down, Maxine.


No, the Commander of the California National Guard for Treason if he disobeys direct orders from the Commander in Chief of these United States of America.

You can't stump the Trump. thumbsup

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You can't stump the Trump. thumbsup


Apparently North Korea didn’t get the memo.


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Looks like we’re heading toward a California vs ICE stand off.


During the Civil War they called it Secession.


While unlikely to go that route, due to your recent rhetoric, I expect you and all these other conservatives to respect and support states rights if this goes down.

We will see how much states rights matters then.


States do not have a right to disobey the law.

Perhaps Trump will Federalized the National Guard and order them to arrest the Governor of California as is his right.

Kennedy did just that in Alabama in the 1960's with orders to hold open the schools as Governor Wallace had ordered the State Police to keep them Segregated.


You mean like federal marijuana laws that no one is doing anything about? Maybe they don’t have the right but if no one enforces law, is it really a law?


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What makes you think Trump is stumped by NK?
They will either negotiate away their Nukes, starve to death on sanctions or they will cease to exist entirely.
They just haven't chosen yet.

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You mean like federal marijuana laws that no one is doing anything about? Maybe they don’t have the right if no one enforces law, is it really a law?


If the Federal Government doesn't push it, nothing happens.
But if they wish too, they can end it.
It remains illegal however. The Federal Law has not changed.

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On the books perhaps. But the law is going unenforced. What is Trump going to do, march the army in there? Remember the 9th Circuit is in San Francisco so you can be any legal challenge will go the way of the state and so far the feds have not been willing to let this go to the SC.


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On the books perhaps. But the law is going unenforced. What is Trump going to do, march the army in there? Remember the 9th Circuit is in San Francisco so you can be any legal challenge will go the way of the state and so far the feds have not been willing to let this go to the SC.


President Trump is undecided on weed and is allowing for a National discussion on the subject. He said we will revisit the situation down the road. That is why the Feds are not cracking down.

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