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He's not really Tweeting very much. That's more of a question for the young whipper snappers on Snapchat.

JG out of shape, on one leg and near death is lightyears better than all our WRs.

Man when a loser is a potential need/want/bright spot - you know you have a team not worth two cents and a gust of wind that smells like a fart.

Why do we still root for this organization (me included in the line the of questioning?)

I'll be right back.......

We can...and should root for Gordon...but IF the article I read is true and he skipped some drug tests which equals a positive test....then, we can wish, hope, pray, etc...but the all pro player of 2013/4?...how long has it been....HE AIN'T never going to show up....what a waste of talent...we all have our crosses.....GO Browns!!!!

I was thinking he hadn't applied for reinstatement yet because he suffers from fear of success. Then I realized that would be impossible because after all, if he were reinstated, he'd be a Brown.

That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with the one that can feed a family.

I feel so bad seeing all the Gordon news perpetually coming up. It is difficult to forget just what a dominant force this kid was. His 2013 season was nothing short of spectacular. To accomplish what he accomplished, with Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden, was incredibly exciting.

I have a twin brother who is a die hard Falcons fan. I will never forget my heartbreak on draft day when we traded away Julio Jones, to them. He was so excited, and I just sat there with my head in my hands. For a very short period of time, Josh Gordon changed that. My brother actually once joked following one of Gordon's 200 yard games, "I'll trade you Julio for Josh" and I laughed and said, "Maybe if you throw in Ryan and a first." I wasn't kidding, either. In that moment, we had the best receiver in the NFL.

To see someone so unbelievably talented throw it all away is not a good feeling. I still hold out hope he'll return, but I doubt it.

I do hate trick questions. How about best two outta three?

I know which one can be depended on to run more time off a clock.

The question should be - Can anyone tell which one is baked ?

One is baked and the other is most definitely fried.

This made me laugh out loud. Brilliant follow ups.

Make the application already. Call them and ask, "Now?" Just crazy. The more I follow it, the dumber the whole thing seems to get.

I just checked his Twitter and Instagram and there are a lot of commenters already urging him to file his request and asking what his status was. No response from Josh as far as I can tell but I didn't search very long.

If social media is a dead-end then somebody has to start working the phones. Does anyone know where mac has been?

If he waits much longer, he is insuring that the Browns have him under contract for another year.

He might be out of shape and that is why he is waiting.

an out of shape gordon is still better than what we have on the field right now

Yeah but Josh took a lot of slack for showing up out of shape last time. He knows he's probably down to his last chance and that might be on his mind. Being out of contact with the team doesn't help him.

I'm thinking that Josh is on a week-long binge after getting out of rehab. Probably too wasted to spend time on something as unimportant as applying for reinstatement.

Do you have a link?

Browns' Josh Gordon opens up about his extensive drug use, his 90-day rehab, and his bid 'to get my life back' in mini-documentary.

Posted on October 10, 2017 at 8:01 AM


By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Josh Gordon finally came clean about his extensive drug use, being enabled at Baylor, his recent 90-plus day in rehab, how he was recently 'scared for my life' and how 'desperately I want to get better' in a mini-documentary filmed last month.

"I think it might be therapeutic for me to talk about it,'' Gordon says in the video interview on The Uninterrupted, LeBron James website. "I'm in the position I'm in now and I'm grateful for it. I'm able to give this message and this opportunity for you to learn from my mistakes and for me to tell them my story.''

Gordon was interviewed for the 13-minute documentary in Gainesville, Fla. when he was let out of rehab for three days to get honest about his past in hopes of helping him stay clean. It was at least his fourth known stint in rehab, and he's been suspended for 43 of his last 48 games with the Browns.

Gordon, who can be re-apply to the NFL at any time for reinstatement from his indefinite drug ban, has been living in Gainesville with his business manager, Michael Johnson, and working out with former Olympic gold medal sprinter at N.U.M.A. Speed there in preparation for his return to the NFL.

Gordon begins by reeling off all the drugs he's used and mostly denied since being drafted by the Browns in the 2012 supplemental draft.

"I've used alcohol on many, many occasions, Xanax on many occasions, cocaine several occasions, marijuana most of my life, codeine, cough syrup, methazine is very prevalent where I'm from,'' Gordon admit. "It's what I grew up using.''

The first time Gordon was suspended, for two games in 2013 for testing positive for codeine, he insisted it was from his doctor-prescribed cough syrup, and not the likely "lean'' or "purple drank'' that it really was.

After a DUI in 2014, he checked himself into rehab for two weeks, but insisted afterwards that he didn't have a problem.

"My first thought was, 'this is a publicity stunt,''' he told The Uninterrupted. "'This is just going to help the media deal with me. It's going to help the fans be able to deal with it. I don't know what they're so worked up for anyway.' I definitely wasn't listening. I definitely wasn't paying attention. 'Okay, it's a business move. Alright, cool let's do it.' I was there for like 14-15 days, it was a joke. It was pretty much a vacation. I had a bunch of good gourmet meals and took a little break and then got right back to work. And then led the league in receiving yards.''

Gordon also described the night before the 2014 season finale, when he was out partying, in part with Johnny Manziel, and missed the meeting and walk-through the next morning before the game in Baltimore.

"The 2014 season I was suspended 10 games for the DUI,'' he said. "I needed six games for it to count as fully accrued towards being a restricted free agent the next year. I was suspended 10, got to play the last five. The sixth game, end of the season, stayed out late but the thing is we had to be up in the morning for like a 7:30 team meeting.

"I didn't wake up until 10 o'clock, 10:15, coming out of a blackout, I'm getting a bunch of texts and calls, from coaches like 'where are you at, we're headed to the tarmac already.' I'm like 'aw sh--,' so drove up to the tarmac, and our general manager at the time, he kind of pulls me to the side and talks to me, he's like 'I'm sorry Josh, but you're not going on this plane.' I was watching the plane go off and it was like well 'f-- it, let's go home, let's party.'

When he was suspended indefinitely in 2015 for repeated violations of the substance abuse policy, he spiraled.

"I got suspended for the entire year and after that it kind of all came in from all angles, different fans, everybody kind of was like 'oh, you're a piece of [censored], you're a drug addict, you're a junkie, whatever, you're alcoholic. So at that point, I was like, 'if you all want me to be this guy so bad, that's just what I'm going to be.'''

Gordon talked about how the enabling began back at Baylor, where he was kicked out of school for repeat positive drug tests.

"I've been enable most of my life honestly,'' he said. "I've been enabled by coaches, teachers, professors, everybody pretty much gave me a second chance just because of my ability. Not too long after I got arrested for possession of marijuana at Baylor, one of my coaches came by saying 'you are going to get drug tested by the compliance office. This is how it's going to work, this is what they are going to do. If they do call you in, here goes these bottles of detox.'

"He showed me how to drink them, showed me how to take them. That was my real first experience with getting over on the system and that authority not really being taken seriously because it was kind of being guided by somebody that's employed by the same university.''

But then the enabling ceased.

"I'm out of detox drinks? Where is coach with my drinks? Not enough time, gotta take a drug test, failed the drug test,'' he said.

Gordon said he checked himself into rehab again this summer when he was going down the wrong road again and almost out of chances. He had also violated he substance abuse policy again, which is why he'll likely have to serve at least a four-game suspension again if he's conditionally reinstated.

"I found myself around the city of Gainesville just wandering, looking for a drug dealer,'' he said. " Looking for people on the street corner, whatever, smelled like weed, somebody that looked like they had something, asking random people, knocking on like smokeshop storefronts seeing where I could find some stuff at. I was just looking for something, some type of relief. I was walking down (the boulevard) at 11:30 at nighttime, and that night in particular I couldn't find anybody with drugs and I just began to have a flashback and remembered all the negative things that have happened in my life that transpired, like what led up to this point? How did it get this bad? Like It's so dark out here, I'm all alone, what the hell am I doing? I was scared. I was scared for my life."

He realized he had to go to rehab for real this time, not just as a publicity stunt, or to get the NFL off his back.

"And then just something click in my head at that point, it's like 'man, you did it again. You're willing to throw away everything you ever worked hard for, everything you ever had out of life,''' he said. "It was so strange, but I just had a desire to stop. I had the desire to get help, invest myself 100% into whatever was going to help save my life. It never really set in the severity of if you fail a drug test, this is over. They're not going to let you keep playing. I never really took it serious. I thought I could keep on doing it and get away with it and get away with it.''

He said he's come to know and respect NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell over the years of dealing with suspensions and reinstatements.

"I've been able to sit down with Roger Goodell and talk to him in many instances where I was just worried for my career and he gave me some of the most honest answers, advice and information, that anybody could give to you,'' he siad. "I respect Roger Goodell." He gets a bad rap because don't understand him and they don't know him, but for me, he's a great guy. He's a great man. He's been a friend to me, a mentor to me in a way he may not even understand. And I voiced my opinion to him and told him how bad and desperately I want to get better and I want to stop drinking and I don't want to do this anymore. I want to get the opportunity to get my life back.''

Gordon said, "I need to live out my amends. I need to try to make right for all my past transgressions and mistakes and show and prove I can be a better person, I can be a better man. Somebody who is accountable, reliable because I know what's on the other side of that. If given the opportunity, I believe I can prove my worth."

More to come soon.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/browns_josh_gordon_opens_up_ab.html

Well, that was a little different. Sounds like maybe he means it. Not sure if it's too late for him, but I still wish him the best.

The people who didn't buy all the excuses over the years from Josh and his agent were right all along.

I'd rather not harp on that anymore though. Josh's newfound honesty is refreshing. As they say, the first step to solving a problem is recognizing there is one.

want that about the time he got busted for only 2 drinks on the plane?



but it was always just pot and he just over the limit...



no idea why anyone would think this time is any different.

Yeah, he wrote that letter about his past and etc and then messed up again soon after hahaha.

No one should trust Gordon.

There was no solid evidence that it was ever more than Pot and booze. That's why I've always maintained that was all I knew about. But others wanted to guess. Lots of folks didn't want to guess.

Yep.

There is a big difference between saying we simply don't (didn't) know what he was up to VERSUS claiming that beer and pot were his only vices. Cough syrup, pot and alcohol on a plane were the only things we knew. Now we know more to the story. Facts from the horses mouth are better than speculation from the know-it-alls rear ends.

LOL........there was never any solid evidence it was just pot and booze. The people who were guessing were the ones who acting like that's all it ever was.

I hope he survives himself. I pull for him as he fights the good fight. I do not believe we dare to trust him. These announcements smack of more snake oil to me. I do not doubt that he believes himself. Just not sure that we do that. I am willing to let him try, but never again would I count on him.

I do think it is a positive sign that he is at least admitting that he had/has problems. That's a positive step.

Other than the fact that he owns his actions and decisions - I don't truly care what mistakes he has made in the past and if they are worse or 'better' than speculated on.

I don't know if he is truly sincere in his desire to be clean and remain clean. I don't know what will happen when he faces crisis in his life or with football.

I know if I am the Browns I would talk to him and gauge his apparent progress. I'd reinstate him with the team and tell him he will get 100% support provided he is 100% committed. If he fails - I'd find a way to try and help him but he'd be released. . . . I'd give him a chance to prove himself, and part of that is due to his extreme talent and part of that is because he's a failed human being who was once part of the Browns. If it was a Phil Dawson, a Joe Thomas or a Ricardo Louis I'd say the same thing in the same situation ....

I don't know if the Browns could have legally parted ways with Gordon in the last 12+ months .... but if they could have and didn't then it would make zero sense not to support him and give him an opportunity to finally change his life around.

It does kinda sound like JG is going to be facing another suspension.

Hopefully for Josh and for any other player in a similar position - if he is suspended he can practice and be in the team facilities etc. . . . I think the positive impact that can have on him and his commitment to trying to be clean is important. . . . and that's assuming he is re-instated by the NFL.

It's a well edited and well produced segment. It is most definitely a P.R. piece, but I do like what I hear from him. It certainly sounds like he hit a bottom and had a moment of clarity to see the road he was on, and it sounds like he is truly on the path of recovery - or, at least interested in it.

This is either truly genuine First Steps of recovery, or it is the single greatest example of "saying all the right things", ever. At this point, I think you give him some rope and see what he does with it.... by that, I mean Goodell and the Browns.

IF he is truly contrite in this video (he certainly exhibits plenty of blunt honesty, the kind you don't normally see from someone still playing the game) and IF he is working and living a program outside of rehab, then I would say that he is FINALLY on his way back. For real.

Isn't there a name for a movie and a move like this?

Propaganda? LOL

yep... johnny cocain really helped show him the ropes with the p.r. side of it.

Thank you to the person that posted the video.

The words were good to read. Seemed genuine, but you never know with Gordon.

I watched the video... the way he talks he seems confident. Again, one can only trust what Gordon says only so much... but his speaking seems genuine, if rehearsed. The only time he seemed to stumble was when he was talking to his daughter (suddenly started speaking in vague terms, noncommittal, wouldn't look at the camera). That's pretty crappy, but I'll be a selfish fan and focus on him getting back onto the football field. There's more than enough to discuss there without getting into him being a father.


So many people want to believe what he's saying (everyone?). He doesn't seem like a bad guy (not hitting women, not even mouthing off, really). He's a victim of his own stupidity. It's hard not to feel bad for a victim.

I wish I could be a better judge of his intentions. I'm torn on how I feel about his "revelation" about him doing all these drugs, and how rehab was just a publicity move. On the one hand, I want to be like, "oh wow, he's actually admitting it... put a check mark on that first step". On the other hand, I found it funny that that whole revelation was sort of built up and presented like we didn't already know. Yes, Josh... we "knew" that you did a ton of different drugs. You're not surprising anyone. Wait, going to rehab just to walk out 2 weeks later wasn't a stunt? I'm shocked, I tell you... shocked! And, of course, that just begs the question... is this little video, your admission of past guilt (that everyone already knew), longer stay in rehab... is this all just another publicity stunt (I mean, you had to know that you had to up the ante this time)?

Well, hopefully it works because I want to see you on the field, but more importantly... I hope it's for real and you get your butt back on track. It would be a really inspiring story.