If we start Hogan, I then have confidence that we could beat the Jets. Otherwise, very doubtful. I like the way Hogan plays and we haven't seen very much of him but what we've seen is pretty good compared to Kizer!!!Just sayin...
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His limitations are fairly evident. I'm pretty sure the coaching staff is aware of what he's got, or doesn't have as the case may be.
What are his limitations?
Maybe you should address those questions to the coaching staff Peen. Since the fan base seems to feel some QB drafted in the 5th round, then released, picked up off the waiver wire is some competition for Kizer.
He'll just be yet another back up since 99 that fans overestimated and will flop if he starts. We've seen this movie time and time again. Yet fans somehow think by watching it yet again it will have a different ending.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I'm still not ready to be all in on the Hogan hype train, but Kizer played poorly enough and Hogan really came in strong and made a heroic effort. Props to Hogan for coming in the way he did and making it a game. Give Hogan a game or two before you forget about Kizer. I'm curious how Hogan looks when defenses have tape and a week to prepare for him. If the offense still looks competent (not a huge hurdle to clear, but significantly better than what Kizer gave us), then I think you have to keep giving him games.
I hope that Kizer lets the sting of getting benched do its work and drives him to nail down some stuff that's been holding him and the offense back. Lets start running passing plays from under center (you know, give defenses something to actually think about).
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Which is Hue's tougher job? Making Kizer a QB in the NFL who can win, or making us believe this kid is a QB we can get get behind as our NFL "guy" who can play today? Sit him. He has more than earned some pine. How can we keep seeing his same mistakes and errors repeatedly? Like it or not, Hogan scores consistently. Boot Tabor, get an OC, play Hogan.
Just getting snakebitten again and again. Reminds me of the old Billy Jack movie . . . . Sorry, that may be wasted on a bunch of Dawgs. Practically famous back in the day.
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Hogan is SO quicker in terms of seeing the field, releasing the ball, and putting it in an accurate place. Is Hogan a good QB? No. But Kizer has been pretty bad to put it lightly.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Hogan is SO quicker in terms of seeing the field, releasing the ball, and putting it in an accurate place. Is Hogan a good QB? No. But Kizer has been pretty bad to put it lightly.
lol ah c'mon I'm already on the train. I am just waiting for you to get on board. jk jk (not really tho, I'm kinda serious).
well no offense my friend, but I'm hoping he proves you wrong an me right.
I have been watching football for 42 years now. And to my eye just watching him play, he seems a natural.
I could be wrong but my toes curl watching him play and score.
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
Teams also don’t gameplan for hogan. Be careful what y’all wish for.
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If Hogan is NOT considered a long term solution ( and I am not saying he is not) then there is no point at this juncture in playing him. Its time to play for picks and to see if Kizer can pull things together.
Kizer needs to get rid of the ball period. At this point he just isn't anticipating his throws well enough on any level. He needs to learn this is the NFL, where timing is everything. College ball QB trying to play NFL football just isn't cutting it but it does not mean that at some point he won't get it.
I think he would benefit from a sit down and come back after the bi ready to see if he can up his game.
If not than we move on and get one of the top QB prospects from the draft. The last thing I want to see is for us to win just enough to be out of reach for a top QB prospect.
At this point I truly am at a loss as to what to do.
Oh BTW when Hogan was running this offense guys were getting open and making catches. Hint its not play calling!
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Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
Teams also don’t gameplan for hogan. Be careful what y’all wish for.
I think they are very similar QBs .. at least as far as their strengths go. Both are downfield passers.. both can run. The biggest difference is accuracy and ability to see the field. I do not think scheming will make a difference. Kizer's problem is the game is still moving too fast for him.. he locks in on a reciver.. and then holds the ball.
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Hogan has solid short, intermediate and long balls, but his deep throws are a little suspect, IMHO. But I'm good with him. I think he can lead this team and at the very least he is fun to watch.
Teams also don’t gameplan for hogan. Be careful what y’all wish for.
And when he is in he drives and he scores. Add that to the fact that he is playing with few reps and a playsheet catered to Kizer's strengths, not his own. If Hue would just focus on making the game plan fit Hogan, we might be onto something.
I did not watch yesterday's game at all, and quit the Cincy game in the 3rd, so I have seen little of Hogan this year.
Do you (the posters) think we would have a different record if Hogan had started all year?
I think it's a strong possibility, but we will never truly know. Hogan moves the ball much better in my opinion. But that would not change the bone headed things Hue and others have/might have done.
I don't think anyone sees either QB as the answer, so I think you have to stave off the fire that's under your seat and win a couple games. You only do that with hogan, He's athletic, familiar with the system and gets rid of the ball faster. It allows Hue to call his game with the tempo he likes, i think with kizer it puts Hue in a situation he can't run half the plays he wants because Kizer can't run them effectively. If you're looking for the QB of the future, why can't it be Hogan, I mean just because you were dumb and spent a second round pick on a 5th round QB doesn't mean you have to pound that square into the circle. Hogan deserves a shot as well to try to be that guy, so use this year to play them each 8 games and see what floats
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I did not watch yesterday's game at all, and quit the Cincy game in the 3rd, so I have seen little of Hogan this year.
Do you (the posters) think we would have a different record if Hogan had started all year?
I think it's a strong possibility, but we will never truly know. Hogan moves the ball much better in my opinion. But that would not change the bone headed things Hue and others have/might have done.
Thanks for the reply.
See you are in Lancaster. Was just there a few weeks ago for the first time. High school cross country meet. Nice area.
I don't think anyone sees either QB as the answer, so I think you have to stave off the fire that's under your seat and win a couple games. You only do that with hogan, He's athletic, familiar with the system and gets rid of the ball faster. It allows Hue to call his game with the tempo he likes, i think with kizer it puts Hue in a situation he can't run half the plays he wants because Kizer can't run them effectively. If you're looking for the QB of the future, why can't it be Hogan, I mean just because you were dumb and spent a second round pick on a 5th round QB doesn't mean you have to pound that square into the circle. Hogan deserves a shot as well to try to be that guy, so use this year to play them each 8 games and see what floats
If Hue actually did the crap the man said and preaches to the media/public, one aspect being the best man available for the job to allow us to win - we'd have seen Hogan start a few games ago.
I trust Hue as much as I trust my cat when I pet his belly for an extended period of time, and I mean what I say.
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It's amazing at how much more in-sync our offense looks when Hogan comes into the game. The guy gets rid of the ball on-time. Kizer does not.
Not trying to start something with you, but you contradict yourself:
You say Hue is not a problem, it's our talent (because of the F0.)
... but in the same breath you say Hogan comes in and sparks us and the offense moves the ball (with exactly the same talent as Kizer.) I mean, don't you see the issue here? Don't you see we'd 90% likely not be the winless, joking team had Kizer learned from the bench from the beginning or from a few games in when Kizer was struggling? Is it the talent levels fault when Hue calls Kizer the starter again which I'm sure he's likely to do, even factoring in Hogan'ss many times coming in cold and moving our so-called talent, moving our offense and etc for points with next to no work with the number ones during practice?
Plenty of blame to be pointed in plenty of areas, but Hue doesn't deserve the get out of jail card you're giving him. He's a big part of why this season is already junk.
I wasn't commenting on who should start. I was simply expressing an observation. I also believe that Sashi had a significant role in the decision to start Kizer this year.
Seems like favoritism for Kizer. How does Hogan do it? Certainly not a fluke, and he is underprepared in terms of reps by comparison. I don't care who decided to start Kizer; I care immensely about who is changing the starter opinion. I hate being shamed as a fan around town by games as lousy as this. Our D cannot carry Hue and the offense as given weekly. OC, please. Hue can be all over the prep. He is killing us now. IMO
Limit Kizer until he improves. This season seems like it will be a forced death march to many losses, and we will point to that as growth? Development? Hue missed this call; smells like Kessler 2.0. My decision at any price. Saddened for real fans.
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Hogan is not a long term answer, so keep playing Kizer and let's wrap up the 1st Overall pick, again, and get a QB that finally solves the problem. Hell, let's take two of them... then, let those two, Kizer, and Hogan all battle out all next summer long.
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