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so now the guy who brought a lawsuit to this very issue is in charge of the very department he hates, and thus uses his power to end regulations he sued over.

conservatives once again proving that they hate the people's right to clean air, that they hate the environment, and that they hate any progress made by Obama.

every week i find myself disliking conservatives and republicans more and more. such a selfish and money driven ideology.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/epa-chief-says-administration-roll-150239621.html

HAZARD, Ky. (AP) -- The head of the Environmental Protection Agency said Monday that he will sign a new rule overriding the Clean Power Plan, an Obama-era effort to limit carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants.

"The war on coal is over," EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt declared in the coal mining state of Kentucky. He said no federal agency "should ever use its authority" to "declare war on any sector of our economy."

For Pruitt, getting rid of the Clean Power Plan will mark the culmination of a long fight he began as the elected attorney general of Oklahoma. Pruitt was among about two-dozen attorney generals who sued to stop President Barack Obama's push to limit carbon emissions.

Closely tied to the oil and gas industry in his home state, Pruitt rejects the consensus of scientists that man-man emissions from burning fossil fuels are the primary driver of global climate change.

President Donald Trump, who appointed Pruitt and shares his skepticism of established climate science, promised to kill the Clean Power Plan during the 2016 campaign as part of his broader pledge to revive the nation's struggling coal mines.

In his order Tuesday, Pruitt is expected to declare that the Obama-era rule exceeded federal law by setting emissions standards that power plants could not reasonably meet.

Pruitt appeared at an event with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell at Whayne Supply, a Hazard, Kentucky, company that sells coal mining supplies. The store's owners have been forced to lay off about 60 percent of its workers in recent years.

While cheering the demise of the Clean Power Plan as a way to stop the bleeding, McConnell conceded most of those lost jobs are never coming back.

"A lot of damage has been done," said McConnell, a Kentucky Republican. "This doesn't immediately bring everything back, but we think it stops further decline of coal fired plants in the United States and that means there will still be some market here."

Obama's plan was designed to cut U.S. carbon dioxide emissions to 32 percent below 2005 levels by 2030. The rule dictated specific emission targets for states based on power-plant emissions and gave officials broad latitude to decide how to achieve reductions.

The Supreme Court put the plan on hold last year following legal challenges by industry and coal-friendly states.

Even so, the plan helped drive a recent wave of retirements of coal-fired plants, which also are being squeezed by lower costs for natural gas and renewable power, as well as state mandates promoting energy conservation.

The withdrawal of the Clean Power Plan is the latest in a series of moves by Trump and Pruitt to dismantle Obama's legacy on fighting climate change, including the delay or roll back of rules limiting levels of toxic pollution in smokestack emissions and wastewater discharges from coal-burning power plants.

The president announced earlier this year that he will pull the United States out of the landmark Paris climate agreement. Nearly 200 countries have committed to combat global warming by reducing carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming.

"This president has tremendous courage," Pruitt said Monday. "He put America first and said to the rest of the world we are going to say no and exit the Paris Accord. That was the right thing to do."

Environmental groups and public health advocates quickly derided the decision as short sighted.

"Trump is not just ignoring the deadly cost of pollution, he's ignoring the clean energy deployment that is rapidly creating jobs across the country," said Michael Brune, the executive director of the Sierra Club.

Who?
Who's climate plan?

the people's climate change that the current non-majority supported administration is currently destroying.

If it has, or he thinks it has, or if someone says it has Obama's name attached to it, he's against it and wants it killed. Obama insulted him a few years back at a formal dinner and he's never forgotten it. Just like he's all over the NFL now because they woudln't let him in their club years ago. (yeah he sued them and he won, but the sum of money he was awarded was $1.00)

The Peoples Plan???

The people want clean, pure water and fresh air to breath but that plan goes way beyond that.

The People want Jobs, More money in their pockets, Border Control, Safe Streets and a return to Common Sense to our Nation.

Job killing and Job smothering Liberal legislation has got to go!

This is more of a sidebar/nitpick...

but more and more, conservative isn't the same thing as a Republican.

I'm a conservative, but I struggle to find Republicans that I mostly agree with. Hell, Republicans seem to be able to spend money just as frivolously as Democrats these days.

Well let's just see how many "coal jobs this generates". lmao

The market killed coal.

Two new mines just opened in Pennsylvania, when is the last time that happened?

The "market" didn't kill coal. The regulations killed coal.

I get it, regulations, to an extent, are good.

But when the president says basically, "go ahead and build new plants. We'll bankrupt them with new regulations."

I think the new regulations killed coal.

And I know, clean air is important. It's, just, the "market" didn't kill coal. The regulations did.

While3 I disagree, I guess we'll be finding out soon enough.

You do realize these plants were being built before Trump even announced he was running for president, right? And nothing Trump did or said have anything to do with it.

Thanks Obama!

Ok, that is right up there with Clem saying Trump is lazy.

Yeah, telling congress and the senate to fix everything while offering no plans our guidelines of his own as he tweets on the toilet make him such a hard worker.

I know you can't handle the truth so when did the plans for these plants become approved to be built? You won't provide that information because it happened when Obama was president.

Look, YOU said the market killed coal. I disagreed, and stated the new regulations killed coal.

That's all.


As a president, or as congress, new regulations can kill any industry. Or, at a minimum, make an industry irrelevant by raising costs so high it is effectively impossible to meet the regulations.

It's no deeper or more profound than that.
People who attach more reason or rationale to his choices are giving him more credit than he deserves.



He was awarded $.95 more than he's worth.

Coal is dying bro. Regulations might have hurried it along but the MARKET decided that the coal industry needed to go the way of the dinosaur.

Why so testy arch? Trump has and is rolling back those regulations. Thus my response "we'll see".

I didn't say you were wrong. I simply said we disagree. I believe it was far more the price and efficiency of natural gas that drove to the changeover to natural gas power plants than it was regulations.

Doesn't it seem like common sense to come to the conclusion that as these regulations are reversed that we'll see which one of us was right?

Testy? Testy?

Dear Lord........where did you get "testy" out of my reply?

Guy can't state facts, and his opinion, without being called "testy"?

You're better than that. Aren't you?

Government regulations are what is killing coal my friend.

HMMM How can i say bull insert word we can't use on this board. Without getting myself banned.

I have to disagree yet again. Chicken little with his sky is falling from the far left, and the regulations Obama crammed through hurt coal.

Obama's regulations set coal back for YEARS, geez. You can't just blink wipe away the years of damage Obama did to the coal industry. You just can't say geez ok lets burn more coal.

Unless you are the NFL, then it's ok to call for a boycott and attack one of America's greatest businesses over harmless activities! GOP only cares about the GOP. FAKE NEWS!

There not attacking the NFL. They are attacking shameless displays of disrespect for the flag and the National Anthem. If the players would use a different avenue there would be no issue with the NFL.

You mean a different avenue that you won’t have to pay attention to.

We have protested in different ways and you’ve ignored most, if not, all of it.

But guess what you didn’t ignore? THIS ONE.

That’s on you for saying nonsense. We’ve been over this before multiple times. The market, the consumer, decided coal was gonna die. If you choose to remain ignorant to it, that’s on you, but stop arguing in favor of polluting our air and water because the majority doesn’t support you or your trash ass president.

All the videos I have seen of simple traffic stops turning into shootings caught my attention and formed my opinion long ago.

I agree. Standing cops plant evidence formed mine as well.

And jumping around like a nut or fighting the cop when he says show me your hands will get you planted as well.

I agree that there should be equality and if the players want equality so much then we should have teams with equal number of races represented no matter what. That is how stupid this topic is.

There is equality in this country. Has been for along time. As far as criminals getting shot for resisting arrest. Guess what stop resisting and the shooting will stop. But, what is being asked for is the right to riot in the streets, sell dope in the open, do criminal activity and have no repercussions. That is why profiling has been considered a racist activity. Only those doing criminal activity have to worry about being profiled, Simple answer is don't be a criminal and the law will not come down on you.

Go ask the innocent Latino people locked up by that racist sheriff if only criminals need to be worried about being profiled.

Your entire post read as someone who just doesn’t get it.

I get it. Liberals hate this country. They hate everything it was created for, everything it stands for. They want to change our future by erasing our past. Equality!!!! Work hard, play by the rules, and you will be successful in this country no matter your race.

The problem is there are a communist politicians that tell segments of our society they are oppressed and they need them to stop the oppression. Like sheep to the slaughter people follow them. Sad!

Look at you. I hit you with straight facts and all you give me is a bunch of trash emotional feelings not based in any facts, nor reality for that matter.

You’re telling a liberal who fought for this country that said liberal hates this country. Once again, proving that you just don’t get it.

Sad, very sad.

You did not hit me with facts. You blasted a Sheriff that was protecting our country from illegal aliens. Again, hating on Americans and protecting those not from this country.

The sheriff violated people’s 4th amendment rights by racial profiling. He got caught abusing the people he jailed and even jailed innocent people. Then when having a court order to stop, he didn’t do so.

You’re defending a racist criminal.

How conservative of you. But I guess racism is something you view as an American value.

If it's dying, what is taking it's place? There's nothing viable I've heard of that's ready to take over THAT much energy production.

industries rise and fall bro. it's dying but it isn't dead.

here's a very detailed article on the whole situation:

Here in the capital of the state that depends on coal more than any other, the hope of a rebound is understandable. In 2006, burning coal provided 49% of the country’s electricity, but by last year that figure had declined to just 30%, according to the Energy Information Administration (EIA). Over that same period, annual production in West Virginia declined from 150 million tons to less than 90 million. Much of that is the result of the boom in natural gas, which has become cheap and plentiful thanks to fracking and other new extraction technologies. Last year, for the first time, natural gas unseated coal as the top source of U.S. electricity. Coal also has an environmental problem, accounting for the most carbon emissions of any fossil fuel used for electricity. At the same time, the cost of renewable power sources like wind and solar have become increasingly competitive with coal, further eroding its market share.

http://time.com/coals-last-kick/

The reality, however, is far more complicated. Undoing Obama’s climate regulations is more like plugging a burst dam than reversing the water’s flow. Without the Clean Power Plan, the EIA expects natural gas and renewable power to account for a combined 57% of the nation’s electricity by 2040. With the plan, those sources were projected to reach 65%. “It’s nonsense. Coal is not coming back,” says Mark Barteau, director of the University of Michigan Energy Institute. “It’s going to continue to lose to cheap natural gas.”

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read all of it. i have hope that you'll actually read this, but i hope you understand that i don't expect most conservatives on this board to read this. because the FACTS don't support their feelings.

at some point, you guys have GOT to be real with yourselves, and need to hold your elected leaders responsible for not telling coal miners the truth.

the industry has been in the decline long before anybody knew who Obama was. i know you guys like blaming the black guy for every single "problem", but the reality is that the market decided coal was gonna have to die off.

oh, and another important paragraph in that article:

It’s market forces that make this moment the most challenging time in the coal industry’s long history—and a key reason why energy analysts are skeptical of any promise to bring it back. The development of fracking opened up once unreachable reserves of natural gas and has slashed its price by two-thirds since 2008. Wind and solar, once liberal pipe dreams, now compete with coal on price in many places. At the same time, the most accessible—and therefore ­cheapest—coal reserves in Appalachia are mostly mined out. “Trump is not going to bring all the coal jobs back,” says Jason Bordoff, director of Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy. “There isn’t a lot of investment activity, because in some cases it looks more economically attractive for firms to invest in cleaner technologies.”

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please, stop lying to yourselves. as a friend, it's embarrassing and i'm trying to help you guys. but you can't save people who don't want to be saved.

King Coal!

How would you act if you felt like prey?