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Read an article from facebook today and thought of this quote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/o...d975_story.html

It's suicides that really throw that statistic out of whack.

I agree a lot with what Swish had to say earlier. You can put in some sort of common sense legislation, but I don't know what it's going to do in the long run.

Common Sense was already addressed when the Founders wrote the Second Amendment to our Constitution.

James Madison "did not invent the right to keep and bear arms when he drafted the Second Amendment; the right was pre-existing at both common law and in the early state constitutions."

Many domestic violence and mass shootings end up with a suicide.

She called him a snowflake... and then he proved her correct. :-p

Just out of curiosity, what about someone that had mental problems, and saw a psych briefly?

You do realize that the obama administration passed a regulation requiring psychiatrists to turn over their records so they can track 'possible' problem people? What ever happened to doctor/patient confidentiality?

As for the rest of the gun thing, if the dems get their way, they will slowly legislate our 2nd Amendment right away through taxes, insurance, or any other legal device they can think of to use.

I'm sorry i don't understand this. as someone that owns mutiple guns and my wife and i are both getting our ccw. Guns have nothing to do with our family time.

Ya i hunt, but these days it mostly with a bow. 10 of my 11 grandkids have bows. I always tell them there is nothing like pulling up on a deer with a bow.

Ya i've owned several beagles and rabbit and phasant hunted. I've deer gun hunted and got several deer, loved duck and goose hunting, but as the yrs went by i found my love to go more to calling and less to shooting.

I've always told my kids and grandkids if you don't feel remorse about shooting that animal then you are not a hunter your just another killing machine.

Erik,
If someone HAD mental problems and was deemed OK, then they should be able to apply for a gun.

Now let me ask you, John Hinckley is out of a mental facility, deemed to be ok to be released into society, do you grant him a gun license??

There are some folks who want to ban guns, but there are others who know that a ban would not work nor constitutional.Like I said above, people who are not about banning guns can come up with limited legislation. I don't believe in banning guns, but some people should not be allowed to have them.

Would you prefer a Liberal/Progressive Shrink or a Conservative Shrink to decide if you are fit to have a gun?

Either way aren’t you going to be shrink-wrapped?

40,
Shrink is a shrink. If they say the person is ok, then that is their reputation and practice on the line.

But what is your answer about Hinkley?

If they are any good at what they do, their politics shouldn't matter.
Just sayin'

Isn't Hinkley a convicted felon? That right there would preclude him from owning a gun. Wouldn't it?


I know convicted felons aren't allowed to possess weapons. I would certainly guess having attempted an assassination would qualify him as a felon.

Rehabbed or not, convicted felons can't own guns. Even if a shrink says "guy is great, and rehabbed."

Naïve much?

Hinkley was found not guilty by reason of insanity. So he is not a felon. (* I looked it up *)

So, now answer the question.

Wow, so that means he is normal! Just another guy.
Hmmmmmm

You kicked his ass w/logic and reason, Eve. He responded w/stupid insults.

If someone is found insane, no, no guns for them.

I do not know about other states, but in Ohio, if you have had mental issues, you aren't allowed to own a gun.

Now, maybe someone like jfan can chime in on this.

So do you grant him the license??

I think Arch is on to something, It would come down to State Law next me thinks.

I would not grant him a License, he shot god!

Arch,
OK, in Ohio they cover that. I would have to look up other states. But what about someone who had mental issues but deemed by a shrink as OK. Do you grant them the license. And what about folks with domestic violence history?? Or on a terrorist watch list??

Answer please.

For that he should have been drawn and quartered.

In Ga, I think it depends if your mental health treatment is voluntary or not. If it is court ordered, then you are done. There may or may not be a time limit on that I dont remember.

In Ohio, according to my understanding, no, you don't grant him "the license".......which is actually the ability to own a gun. (it's not a "license")

Hinkley may have gotten off with insanity, but that doesn't mean he's fine. He still attempted murder.

40,
Then getting back to your question, then what about someone who had mental issues??

And I don't think Hinkley shot GOD.. but to me, if you shoot a president, no gun for you!

I can only answer as far as my understanding goes. I'm not a lawyer.

In Ohio, if you have had mental issues - documented issues, you can't own a gun. Same with domestic violence history - documented, and prosecuted domestic violence.

This is from my memory.

But, as to your question "what about folks with domestic violence history, or on a terrorist watch". No, they can't go to the store and buy a gun.

Arch,
License was my verbage due to DC laws. But your sentence is the question, he got off with insanity! SO the attempted murder part is mute since he got off. BTW, his shrink said he is better and he is living with relatives.

So for him, you say no! But what about other who had mental issues?? It seems like you agree to them not getting the ability to have a gun, correct??

Arch,
OK.. then the state(Ohio) handles that. So, if there are states that do not cover that,you would be ok if there was a federal law that expands that, correct?

If at any point in your life you had to cop an insanity plea and it was determined you’re full goose bozo, you should not be allowed to own steak knives much less guns.

I am not an attorney. I'm not a lawmaker.

If you committed a crime, and got off by reason of insanity, no, you shouldn't own a gun. (I have a feeling that if Hinkley applied for a gun.........actually went to a store and filled out the app.........he'd be denied.) He should be.

Tulsa,
Then OK. You would be ok with a FED law that catches people like that. And you would agree that if you were deemed ok later, still they should not be allowed to own a gun legally.

Now what about those who have a history of Domestic violence?

Again, I'm not an attorney. I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Federal law states that if you have had mental issues (and to what degree, I do not know) you can't own a fire arm.

What more do you want from me?

If you had to plea out insanity for whatever reason, then yes, that’s part of the consequences. You give up the right to own dangerous weapons.

Arch,
I know you are not a lawyer but it seems like you could atleast agree on someone who committed a crime but was deemed insane, they should not legally own a gun. SO there you are, a small common sense restriction.

Now what about those with domestic violence history??

And this is how gun control should be done, very small, limited restrictions.

Tulsa,
You also, you can agree on a small/limited restriction. Like I said to Arch, that is how gun control should be done. Small steps

I can agree with what I’ve stated. Anything else would be another discussion.

I'm just going to have to believe you didn't see my previous responses at 9:03 pm, and at 9:05 pm.

We were typing at the same time and I was watching the Bears.

I know in some states just being accused of domestic violence costs you your guns.

Ex-wives love that law.

There is too much politics involved with taking away guns.
There are News accounts of people losing their guns because of Liberal Judges in anti gun towns. People losing their businesses because they won't bake a cake. People losing their jobs because they voted for Trump.

I trust no one when it comes to my Constitutional Rights. No matter who you are, my Rights are mine to keep.

When you are ready to start talking very small, limited restrictions on Freedom of Speech or very small, common sense, limited reversals of Civil Rights, give me a call.