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How do you force the criminals who are breaking the laws to follow your gun regulations? How many people on here smoke pot and it's illegal in most states but people do it. Should there be striker drug laws on Weed?

That is how the Ohio law and also the Federal background checks are written, I believe. If you were ever committed you can't purchase a firearm. If you sought voluntary treatment, you can.

Vambo,
You have to make it hard for the criminal to obtain a gun but not make the rules too hard for the every day person to obtain a gun.

So now that mental health has been discussed, what about those with domestic violence histories?? DO you limit them or not?

People who break the laws are not going to follow the guidelines for purchasing a gun or getting a CCw. They buy stolen weapons the by pass the system no matter how many laws, classes, checks you have in place will not catch them from getting a stolen weapon.


They can't even stop weed smoking criminals.

I agree. They can’t stop drunks from beating their wives and children.

True,
Criminals get guns either by them being sold to them from states with little checks or by stolen guns. So that is why you make the guns that are bought and sold harder to criminals harder. Stolen guns are harder to trace unless they can be tracked at purchase.

So are you saying that since criminals will get guns, then those with histories of domestic violence should be able to get guns legally?? Because they will get guns anyway??

Also,
it seems like Trump rolled some things back:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tru...-mental-n727221

A conviction for a number of Ohio misdemeanors can affect your ability to get or keep your a concealed carry license (concealed holder / CCW) in Ohio and/or your ability to own a firearm (R.C. 2923.125 & R.C. 2923.128).

Felonies will also affect your ability to obtain a CCW or to own a firearm, but this post addresses exclusively misdemeanors that will affect your firearm rights.
Offenses that Will Prevent You from Owning a
Firearm and/or From Obtaining an Ohio CCW
Marijuana Possession / Paraphernalia Conviction

A marijuana possession or paraphernalia conviction in Ohio may prevent you from obtaining an Ohio CCW.

A pending misdemeanor drug charge under R.C. 2925 that involves a drug of abuse (including marijuana) will prevent you from obtaining an Ohio CCW.

A M1-M4 misdemeanor drug conviction under R.C. 2925 (including marijuana) will prevent you from obtaining an Ohio CCW.

A minor misdemeanor marijuana conviction will not prevent you from obtaining an Ohio CCW.

Domestic Violence (R.C. 2919.25)

Federal law prohibits anyone with a domestic violence conviction from owning a firearm.

Fourth degree misdemeanor (M4) domestic violence means causing a family/household member to believe that the offender will cause imminent physical harm. An M4 domestic violence charge is expungeable in Ohio.

First degree misdemeanor (M1) domestic violence means knowingly causing or attempting to cause physical harm to a family harm or recklessly causing serious harm. An M1 domestic violence charge is not expungeable in Ohio.

Note that if you were charged with domestic violence and it was reduced to a disorderly conduct plea involving some threat of harm or violence (e.g. R.C. 2917.11(A)(1)), you may still face a federal weapons disability even if the disorderly conduct charge was expunged.

Misdemeanor Offense of Violence

Being convicted of or charged with certain “offenses of violence” will prevent you from obtaining a CCW in Ohio. Being convicted of attempt or conspiracy to commit one of the below offenses of violence will also bar you from obtaining a CCW in Ohio.

A misdemeanor offense of violence is any offense (other than traffic) committed purposely or knowingly involving physical harm to someone or a risk of serious physical harm to someone.

If you are convicted of any offense of violence, you are barred from obtaining an Ohio CCW for 3 years following the conviction.

Examples of offenses of violence that can prevent you from obtaining an Ohio CCW for 3 years include:

Assault (R.C. 2903.13) (when victim is not a peace officer)

Menacing (R.C. 2903.22)

Child Endangerment (R.C. 2919.22(B)(1))

Misdemeanor (M1) child endangerment under (B)(1) is child abuse in which the defendant has never before been convicted of child and abuse and the child is not seriously injured. Conviction of misdemeanor child endangerment can prevent you from obtaining an Ohio CCW unless the charge is expunged.

Negligent Assault (2903.14). If you have a pending negligent assault charge, you are barred from obtaining an Ohio CCW. A conviction, however, will not affect your ability to obtain a CCW.
Resisting Arrest (R.C. 2903.13)

If you have been convicted of resisting arrest, you are barred from obtaining an Ohio CWW for 10 years after the date of the conviction.
Assault (R.C. 2903.13) Where Victim is a Peace Officer

If you have been convicted of assault where the victim was a police officer or other peace officer, you are barred from obtaining an Ohio CWW for 10 years after the date of the conviction.

If you have any pending misdemeanors or misdemeanor convictions in Columbus and are concerned about how the charge / conviction affects your firearm rights, talk to one of our Columbus attorneys. We can advise you on your options and whether you are eligible for expungement of the particular disqualifying misdemeanor convictions. We can be reached at (614) 361-2804.

https://www.riddelllaw.com/ohio-misdemeanors-concealed-carry-ccw/

Should cover your question.

Nor the weed smokers who beat women and children. No one will kneel about this!

Vambo,
good read above, now the reality
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/10/domestic-abuse-guns-boyfriend-loophole/

look at #2
http://www.williamslawonline.com/Press-Room/Top-10-Things-Know-About-Federal-Gun-Law.shtml

Again, I'm not against 2 amendment nor want a ban on guns, but small steps can be taken

But the law would restrict the weed smoker/drunk from being around kids again!..

Now remind me why we bring up weed smokers again?

Cause their isn’t much to kneel about:

Researchers got people drunk or high, then made a fascinating discovery about how we respond

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...m=.a1c63ccd15c3


https://www.livescience.com/47564-pot-smoking-couples-domestic-violence.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...m=.8e197f56cf47

Meanwhile, the legal drug alcohol:

Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closely associated with violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault, child and spousal abuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victims perceive the offender to have been drinking and statistics related to alcohol use by violent offenders generally show that about half of all homicides and assaults are committed when the offender, victim, or both have been drinking. Among violent crimes, with the exception of robberies, the offender is far more likely to have been drinking than under the influence of other drugs.

Alcohol is often a factor in violence where the attacker and the victim know each other. Two-thirds of victims who were attacked by an intimate (including a current or former spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend) reported that alcohol had been involved, and only 31% of victimizations by strangers are alcohol-related. Nearly 500,000 incidents between intimates involve offenders who have been drinking; in addition, 118,000 incidents of family violence (excluding spouses) involve alcohol, as do 744,000 incidents among acquaintances.

https://www.ncadd.org/about-addiction/alcohol-drugs-and-crime

That’s definitely something to kneel over.

Btw, would you support a bill to ban alcohol?

Weed is illegal under Ohio law ...

A marijuana possession or paraphernalia conviction in Ohio may prevent you from obtaining an Ohio CCW.

A marijuana possession or paraphernalia conviction in Ohio may prevent you from obtaining an Ohio CCW.

I see you didn’t answer the question

Gun Control my arse!
We need People Control, not Gun Control!

Sure would, would you support a bill to ban weed?

if alcohol is made illegal, then sure. as long as there's no double standard.

But right mow weed is illegal and alcohol is not so you smoke weed you are a criminal.

Then call the police to lock me up.

Can those on the terrorist watch or with a violent history (documented of course) get a gun at a gun show? Just wondering..

If you're buying a new gun from a dealer then you're going through an FBI check before purchase. If there's some guy walking around the show with a gun for sale. You can buy one from him without a check. Of course it doesn't have to be at a gun show, you can buy a gun from any individual selling one without a check.

How do you propose to restrict my right to a firearm for family protection? As you tell us times have changed...I agree that there are more and varied dangers out there. Let us assume that you are talking about handguns because rifles and shotguns are used to kill people half as often as stabbing incidents in America.
If times have changed how do you know that no govt overreach will occur that calls for self protection from rogue officials? Bad cops, fake FBI posers?
In America we do fall back on the Bill of Rights...and always will.

Its not, they are fun to shoot. And unless you mod one, there is not much difference from any other rifle. Like I have said before, its not the rifle its the person. I don't own one, but have shot them. Wasn't a fan myself.

Personally, I agree, but the argument is SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Some believe this goes for any type of attachment or mod. I disagree, just pointing out the other argument.

Most states allow open carry without a permit. Meaning you can open carry or "walk around with it in your face". I assume you are referring to the guys with AR strapped to their back. But if I carry with my pistol out I actually don't need to have a permit for that. To carry concealed (in the states around me) you need a permit. If a company post they do not want weapons in their store, they have that right to post that, and as a CCW holder, I must obey their request and not carry into their business. If the store allows it, its not up to you, you don't own walmart or wherever, you can shop somewhere else that does have a no weapon policy.

Well that would be a felony, and if you have a felony you are not permitted to own a firearm. So that already is in place.

That would constitute as involuntary manslaughter I would think, thus resulting in a felony charge - thus limiting your right to purchase a gun.

This is easier said then done. What if the gun was locked in a safe? You were a responsible owner and had it secured? I get your point, but there are always gray areas

This was a big issue when Obama was in office, and a big campaign talking point. Have you seen those list? A lot of people have the same name, and would be unjustly on it. I think something needs done, as I agree with you are truly being watched for terror, then you shouldn't be able to buy a gun. But I also think it would need to improved (the system) before this could happen.

I completely agree with you. This is the biggest issue the left says and the right fights in my mind. I am torn, because it makes sense on paper, but we all know what would really happen. What if someone had a case of depression at 12 years old and was put on meds for it, then 10 years later they go to purchase a gun and cant because of this with no other issues mentally since then? Too many gray areas again.

Yep, that's how most criminals get guns.

Great Points and welcome to the Boards there OldTimer!

Just so you know, many here are ok when govt overreach occurs by rogue officials, bad cops, and fake FBI posers when African American's exercise their constitutional rights by having a peaceful protest every Sunday. Why would it or should it be any different with the second ammendment




Always for some. Never for others.

jc

Gun control, Dawgtalkers edition:

Earlier OldColdDawg made a thread that had a video of a U.S. Senate hopeful from Tennessee which, among other things, discussed how she was a proud gun owner who had her concealed carry permit. She said she often carried a gun in her purse.

Any thoughts on this?

I'll admit that I have not thought a great deal about the unique CCW issues that females face. However, I am skeptical of purse carry as one's gun control figures to be very poor. The purse could be snatched or otherwise lost. I would think gun control would be much better on the hip or in a pocket. However, from the little I know about women's fashion, pockets tend to be small or nonexistent, so that's kind of out.

women's pursues get snatched up around the world all the time. i wonder if it's easily top 3-5 in petty thefts.

i also wonder how good of a shot she actually is.

https://www.corneredcat.com/contents/

Go down to Choosing Holsters - 'How do I hide this thing', and 'Concealed Carry for the Fashionable Woman'

Interesting info. It's a site I've known about for a while but never spent much time on.

Who knows. I do think it's wise to practice and be proficient with with what you carry, for those who have chosen to take that step. That said, there's a huge variation in skill out there.

all i know is people who like to post pictures and videos of how much they love their guns and 2nd amendment better be a damn good shot once crap hits the fan, and better practice basic gun safety and storage.


that one pro gun activist who ended up getting shot by her own 4 year old son is the kind of stuff i talk about. bragging on social media about how much you love your guns and such, then end up being popped cause of your stupidity?

that's exactly the kind of crap im talking about.

Many people need to do a better job with gun safety. It frustrates me as well.

Females I know carry their guns in a bra holster. Good luck grabbing those ta tas. But there are lots of options for women to conceal carry.

https://www.pinterest.com/explore/concealed-carry-women/

That's pretty neat. I do remember the bra holster idea from one of the old threads, probably the concealed carry thread.

When asked about how a person goes about getting a CCW, my first reply is take a gun safety class before you even think about handling a gun. Learn bout the weapon you wish to own. Ammo is important where rounds that fire well in a revolver may not work in a semi-auto and could jam your weapon.

Would like to add practice often, ask for help people at the range are always willing to give pointer.

Karma

So my plans with my Dad have been finalized. he is going to train me on rifles when I visit him for Thanksgiving. I'm excited!