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Here you go Swish

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/05/obama-...ines-shuttered/

With Obama's Climate Rules in Limbo, Some States Face Tough Decisions
The U.S. Supreme Court has put the Obama administration's plan to cut carbon emissions on hold.

http://www.governing.com/topics/transpor...wer-states.html

Why coal mining is resurgent in the U.S., China and India
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-coal-mining-is-resurgent-in-the-u-s-china-and-india/

Love you bro but you didn’t really post anything.

I’ve mention before that obama might have hurried along the death spiral, but coal was already dying prior to obama being in office. That’s a fact that I already proved.

Also
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-moves-toward-coal-china-bets-big-on-solar/

While production might be up a bit, china is investing big time in renewable energy, as they have already declared they want to reduce the amount of coal they use.

India is a third world country, they are still developing so coal is CHEAPER for them to use at the moment.

Please GM, just let it go. Be real with yourself.

I know you conservatives love hanging on to the past, but let it go.

Industries rise and fall all the time. Coal is no different. Stop trying to fight it and do the workers right by helping them transition to something else. Stop wasting people’s time. Coal can’t be saved.

Love ya to bro, but for you to post this



and not see that the decline is due to the Regulations imposed by the EPA and led by Obama, makes you blinder than Stevie Wonder.

What part of Obama's own words "If somebody wants to build a coal powered plant they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that green house gas that is being emitted."

It's right there in black and white plus you can hear it as well. The government is saying If y'all burn coal we will fine y'all out of existence. We we will bankrupt you. We will regulate you to death.



GMAFB back in the 1970's we all heard that by the year 2000 everybody's home would be run on solar panels. That 15 to 20 percent of the countries energy would come from wind power, and hydroelectricity. If you want to believe the US EIA and their numbers they pluck out of thin air, or that they get from Ms Cleo. Go right ahead. I have spent a lifetime watching the government be wrong about everything. I trust them less than you trust a cop on a back country road wearing a white sheet, and dropping the N word.

Now will coal die out at some time in the future.... sure it will if we don't blow up the planet first, but IMO it could happen in 100 years or 1,000 years but it will eventually happen.

GM, you aren't addressing why those regulations were put into place.

Why do I need to discuss the Chicken Little crowd?

What did I post that was wrong? Obama wasn’t president for years 06 07 08.

And again, look at the larger picture. Coal has been losing jobs well before 2006.

At this point you’re just fighting just to fight. There’s no end game with you. You need to realize that it’s coming to an end.

You’re harping what is being said now, but won’t comment on what’s been happening well before that.

More importantly, automation has been eating into coal jobs over a long period of time—years before concerns about climate change led to the environmental regulations that President Trump solely blames for the industry’s decline. Nationwide, employment in the coal mining industry peaked in 1920, when it employed roughly 785,000 people. The more recent decline started in 1980, when the industry employed approximately 242,000 people. By 2000, 15 years before the Environmental Protection Agency first proposed the Clean Power Plan and released new pollution guidelines to cut toxic emissions from power plants, industry employment had dropped to 102,000. By 2015, coal mining had shed 59 percent of its workforce, compared to 1980.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenu...to-coal-miners/

Now, I’m not a scientist, but something tells me we haven’t invented time travel yet. Unless you can prove that obama cut all hose jobs between 1980-2000, then i just literally proved everything you said wrong.

Stop it bro. Please, just stop. You aren’t helping coal miners out by delaying the inevitable.

We can’t save coal. No matter how many regulations you cut for a feel good solution, the MARKET, he CONSUMERS have spoken.

That's not an answer!

Since you like the EIA so much here is their own chart on Coal Production in this country from 1949 through 2011. Pay attention to when you start seeing the decline in production in 2002

https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/showtext.php?t=ptb0702

In 1995 the Government started looking into REGULATING Power plants under the Clean Air Act.

In 2000 the EPA announced its finding that it was appropriate and necessary to regulate coal- and oil-fired electric utilities under section 112 of the Clean Air Act, and in March of 2005 the EPA issued the final ruling.


So you can see the reduction in coal mining started when the government started with all of their regulations.



At this point I am fighting because I am RIGHT, and I won't say I am wrong when I am not.



I will not and can not argue that jobs have been lost due to automation, as they have. Just like almost everything else. Assembly lines,etc, etc, etc have all been effected.



No the consumers have not spoken, the Government did, and now Trump and the Government are changing the rules again.

Yes it is. You might not like it, but it is.

Except you’re wrong bro.

Trump can’t save coal. Nobody can save coal. For coal to be saved means a reversal from renewable energy needs to be done on a global scale.

Pipe dream. We have been going to other sources for a while now in this country alone.

Trump can delay the inevitable all he wants, he’s only hindering progress.

China is crushing it while Trump hides behind coal powered smoke and mirrors.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/18/technology/china-us-clean-energy-solar-farm/index.html

And you want talk jobs.....To help reach the 2030 goal, China is betting big on renewable energy. It pledged in January to invest 2.5 trillion yuan ($367 billion) in renewable power generation -- solar, wind, hydro and nuclear -- by 2020.
The investment will create about 10 million jobs in the sector, the National Energy Administration projects. China currently boasts 3.5 million jobs in clean energy, by far the most in the world, according to the International Renewable Energy Agency.

The two new US coal plants that just opened in PA., could add maybe a 1000 jobs.. Murica first

It's odd how people seem to understand that for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Yet they say that if we keep allowing corporations pollute our water and air that no equal or opposite reaction will ever happen.

Then they call anyone who realizes that there will be consequences for your actions Chicken Little?

So much for personal responsibility and Newtons third law.

So much for those who can't tell the difference between clean air and pure water and unnecessary, job and industry killing Liberal BS legislation.

You shouldn't be talking about yourself that way.

According to you, we can just pollute the hell out of the planet and nothing will ever happen. Good luck with that. I'm sure your grandchildren will be thanking you at your gave site a generation from now with that line of thinking.

Fake News or Lies.

I support clean air and water as does President Trump.

We also support a humming economy for ourselves, our children and grandchildren.

Liberal BS Legislation kills jobs unnecessarily.

So you keep claiming the economy is great, record stock market and now you wish to spread this BS?

Our economy has been getting stronger and stronger using a cleaner and cheaper energy source, natural gas to get to where we are now. Now you just wish to make excuses why we should yet again pollute our planet even more.

When did I ever say Trump can save coal??? I said the government regulations were killing coal, and nothing you have posted has ever proven that wrong.



If you call awhile 141 years then sure we have been working on them for awhile. Solar cells were started in 1876 by William Adams. They have been available commercially since 1956. Yet they are still to expensive for everybody to afford. Until the day renewable energy is as cheap as coal, we will continue to use coal as long as the government doesn't screw that up and cause all of our energy bills to go through the roof.

Like I said, more Liberal BS.
Our economy has stagnated with low growth for 8 years.
Trump says he will keep our air clean and water pure.

This economy is only getting started under Trump and the Stock Market is usually 6 months ahead of the economy.

So hang on buster, things are about to get hot in Murica!

Oh if we keep polluting as much as you keep advocating for, I believe that.

For everybody talking about the environment and bragging up gas why do none of you mention the dangers and environmental problems caused by fracking???

https://serc.carleton.edu/NAGTWorkshops/health/case_studies/hydrofracking_w.html

we've mentioned fracking a ton of times on this board.

and you conservatives give the same BS line like you did with coal.

stop spreading false narratives.

Shut coal down.

Don't frack.

No new nuclear plants.

Wind turbines kill birds.




Yet, the demand for energy goes up and up and up.

LMAo man we need to have this convo face to face bro

Me a conservative.... That's like calling me tall, dark, and handsome.

Me saying I was for or against fracking.... never happened.

So maybe you should look in the mirror when talking about spreading false narratives.

no new ones?

obama approved two new ones in georgia in 2012.

nuclear is also clean.

I've talked about it more than once on this board.

I would be EXTREMELY surprised if any power company runs out and builds (or expands) a coal fired plant because of this... these folks aren't stupid. They aren't going to drop BILLIONS of dollars into something that very well may be made obsolete again as soon as the next administration takes over. Not to mention, even if they started planning one today, it wouldn't be open until years after Trump was gone and who knows where we will be at that point.. The other thing to consider is that these plants are built in STATES.. not just the United States.. and states are allowed to have regulations MORE strict than the federal government.. so states may still not allow this stuff the happen.

Relaxing regulations on coal might extend the life of some existing facilities and make those who operate them more profitable in the short term... So we might see a short term uptick but I'm guessing the long term impact of this is negligible and coal usage will generally continue to trend down...

No cost for that market analysis guys and girls.

Sorry I didn't make it clear.

Almost every source of power has a "downside" if you listen to certain, various groups.

Coal - bad, it pollutes.

Fracking - bad, it causes earthquakes.

Nuclear plants - dangerous, and we can't safely store the spent rods.

Wind turbines - kill birds.

Yep.

It really is a 'name your poison' kind of choice.

I know this post is slightly in jest, but it's kinda crazy how this has turned into a talking point. Compared to the amount of birds that fly into coal mines, the number is infinitesimal. Not to mention the amount of birds that die due to global warming, a byproduct of gas and coal.

It has been brought up before. However I did a search of the boards. Typed in the word gas it showed zero mentions in the last 6 months. Typed in the word fracking and got 20 results in the last 6 months. Typed in the word coal and got 200 results in 6 months.

Because the discussions have been about coal.

You’re basically upset that we do don’t ‘whataboutism’ on this board, and now you’re #triggered.

There has been threads in the past about fracking. That’s a fact.

*Putting my arm around Swish* Take a deep breath bro.

I just said in my post above that fracking has been brought up before. There have been a lot of discussions about coal and the many of the left leaning folks have all at once formed a new religion and start preaching how the great Devil coal is going to cause all of us to burn up in hell (earth) LOL

True...Even Tesla's Solar roof and Power walls kill Coal Co's, Oil Co's, & Nuclear Plants.

IDK 40, I live in WV and within 15 miles of my house are 3 coal plants. all of which were never opened or were running sporadically since I lived there until this year. They now are open 7 days a week churning out that those little briquettes of black golden power!

I live in a country where Hardees/Carl Jr employs more people then the entire coal industry.

https://thinkprogress.org/kentucky-coal-mine-solar-farm-a5d10d6526bb/
http://e360.yale.edu/features/northern-lights-utility-scale-solar-power-spreading-across-the-us

More Solar Jobs than Coal Jobs
http://fortune.com/2015/01/16/solar-jobs-report-2014/

Think progress??? Sorry, don't rely on sources form Center for American Progress - you know the Center for the progressive agenda. . . .

they have no bias whatsoever

Think Progress Scrubs Troubling Rhetoric from Website

Find your safe place snowflake.


Last year, the solar industry employed many more Americans than coal, while wind power topped 100,000 jobs.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/25/climate/todays-energy-jobs-are-in-solar-not-coal.html