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I don't know if I'm getting anxious for some new browns news, or just my paranoia starting to kick in, but rookies are starting training camp on Monday the 23rd and we have signed a grand total of 0 DRAFT PICKS!!! This close to camp I would expect to have at least the second day picks signed. I don't know what the hold up is.  Most of the rest of the other teams have at least their second day players if not their 2nd and 3rd round picks also.
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It seems like we're in the same boat as several teams. I'm mildly unnerved. I dislike this.
I hate how Oden is signed already. But we havent signed anyone. Why does the NBA and MLB sign them so quickly, but the NFL ends up in holdouts. Its lame
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i know not even one! not even the 7th round pick its pretty bad
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The Steelers start camp on Monday....and LB Lawrence Timmons (1) LB Lamarr Woodley (2) TE Matt Spaeth (3) CB William Gay (5) are still unsigned.
P Daniel Sepulveda (4) DT Ryan McBean (4) OG Cameron Stephenson (5) WR Dallas Baker (7) are all signed
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I am already a little nervous.
With under a week till the rookies report, I don't like the frenzy we'll have in order to get the all in. Obviously that is the goal, but I doubt it happens. Once the first signs, it should start to domino. But that first one hasn't, which is a bit upsetting, but I won't get really worried until Sunday. If something doesn't happen by the end of this weekend, I will be more than a little worried. I'm expecting several of these rookies to log playing time this year, and missing even 1 day sets you behind the rest.
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don't start to worry until august. Actually, I take that back, Wright we need signed. Everyone else, dont' worry about it, they're not going to play much anyway. Joe T included. I mean, he MIGHT start day one, but I'm not counting on it.
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I'm anxious to get them signed a.s.a.p. yesterday! I still think one will have a short hold out and the other will sign and be in camp on time. Though I hope both are in on time. Git' R Done, Phil.
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I don't know that it's cause for concern. Only one first rounder that I know of has signed. That being Joe Staley with the 49ers. Players agents always want to wait until others have signed so they can position themselves better. I expect we'll see an avalanche of signings coming into the weekend. It is getting a little too close to training camp though. I don't remember news and progress on draft picks being signed being this late on such a league wide basis. I could just be crazy though.
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I don't know that it's cause for concern. Only one first rounder that I know of has signed. That being Joe Staley with the 49ers. Players agents always want to wait until others have signed so they can position themselves better. I expect we'll see an avalanche of signings coming into the weekend. It is getting a little too close to training camp though. I don't remember news and progress on draft picks being signed being this late on such a league wide basis. I could just be crazy though. [/quote
Greg Olsen of the Bears pick has signed also, #31 overall.]
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Thomas will be signed after 1st week of camp.
Quinn around the 2nd - 3rd week. His deal will have to be creative due to the pick the Cowboys got next year. The agent will say it will be a high pick. It won't be such a big deal because he won't be starting.
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I know this is gonna sound a bit wierd,, but I'm not the least bit concerned. Go figure! Savage reminds me a duck in the water,, looks all calm and as if nothing in the world is going on,,,, But like a duck, if you look under the surface, those feet are going 100 MPH.. If you notice, you haven't heard ANYTHING,,, Nothing at all.. If you go back and look at Savage and his Method of Operation, you'll see that he always does this.. Nothing comes out of camp and then all of a sudden,,, BOOM We have people signing all over the place. Today is Wednesday, July 18th.. Camp starts in 5 days for Rookies.. My guess is that they will all be there except for Thomas and Quinn.. Those two will show up by mid week! JMBG (Just My Best Guess) 
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Just clicking...
Yes I'm worried, but it'll all start to come together in the next few days.
Everyone saying "Quinn's not that important, he won't start anyway" is kidding themselves. Even if he's not starting, every snap he takes is important because he will be starting sooner rather than later.
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I'm anxious over it already.
Yes, there is still time and it could all easily get done any day now.... but that is doing little to alleviate my anxiety that is building.
If I had to pick the ones that MUST be signed and in on time, it would be Eric Wright and Joe Thomas. The rest can be late and not really affect us this season, but those two MUST be done THIS WEEK. We NEED both of them Game 1, so there is no time to waste.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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i wont be concerned until the 21st... b/c rookies are suppose to be in on the 22nd i think...
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Yeah, except the 21st is this coming Sunday and typically, things don't happen on Saturdays or Sundays in this league.
If they're close, they may press on and work through a weekend to get it done, but if they are not close they are just as likely to shut things down for the weekend to try to build leverage.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I'm not too worried, really. It seems like in the past couple years, we get notice of a lot of signings all at once. "Today, the Browns signed 3rd round pick..., 4th round pick..., etc." Thomas, Quinn & Wright will be the last 3 to sign (no kidding), but with camps approaching, it'll all start falling into place.
We have to remember that there is more salary cap room this year, so agents and players have more money to ask for, so that could slow things up a bit. But, I have a feeling we'll have a day or two soon that we'll hear of a lot of signings.
There haven't been many 3rd or 2nd rounders signing yet, and only 2 first rounders (both low in the 1st round), so we're not an anomaly.
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The only one i dont expect to be there on time is Joe Thomas. No reason to worry about it as it stands. Savage never signs anyone till the last week and usually right before camp
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I think the new CBA might have something to do with all the delays but, eventually it will all get done. Remember, this is the most important contract these rookies will be signing and for the NFL you have the 'slot' figures to deal with for setting precedences. JMHO
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It'll be interesting to see how long BQ holds out. That should be an interesting negotiation.
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When should we start to worry about signing our rookies? From the moment they are selected in the draft? 
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I'm not worried about it quite yet.
JT and Wright are the guys I want in camp on time the most.
If I'm a second-day pick I want to get my arse in camp on time because they have a lot less wriggle room. There'll be lots of guys on the roster, or out on the streets (now or real soon) who can fill any void left by the unsigning of a 4th or 5th round pick.
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I think we should offer 5% more than last year at the same slotting and leave it at that. Take it or sit at home. You want real slotting for rookies ? It will take all the teams taking a stand and doing it this way instead of hoping for a new NFLPA agreement. How many teams have the guts to make a statement ? Let em sit Phil....
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I think we should offer 5% more than last year at the same slotting and leave it at that. Take it or sit at home. You want real slotting for rookies ? It will take all the teams taking a stand and doing it this way instead of hoping for a new NFLPA agreement. How many teams have the guts to make a statement ? Let em sit Phil....
You cannot draft Joe Thomas at #3 and let him sit. That's ridiculous to think the Browns or any team would do that. The team and fans want to WIN and that means getting the best players to play for your team, not 'making a statement'. The only statement you make is telling high profile players that the Browns are a joke.
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Have no fear, this always happens. Other players wait till someone else signs so they can use it as a basis for what $$ they ask for.
I haven't been paying attention too much, but I don't think a lot of other teams have close to all their draft picks as well. The salaries work different in the NBA and MLB and thats why they get guys pretty fast.
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The "joke" is on the people that PAY any amount to allow some kid to play a game before he proves anything. The rooks and their agents are laughing all right..and not just at the Browns.
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When should we start to worry about signing our rookies?
From the moment they are selected in the draft?
I agree...and that is why I think we have failed to this point...these guys could have been signed weeks ago if we really wanted them signed.
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Thomas will be signed after 1st week of camp.
Quinn around the 2nd - 3rd week. His deal will have to be creative due to the pick the Cowboys got next year. The agent will say it will be a high pick. It won't be such a big deal because he won't be starting.
Quinn will have no shot of starting if he isn't there the first week. Which may be a good thing.
Thomas, on the other hand, is expected to start this season. At least at some point. As well as Wright. It's pretty important for them to be there from the get-go. I'd feel better if we got one signing soon. Like today. Somebody. Anybody.
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The "joke" is on the people that PAY any amount to allow some kid to play a game before he proves anything. The rooks and their agents are laughing all right..and not just at the Browns.
You missed my point. I was pointing to the joke the Browns would be if they followed your plan of here's the contract, take it or leave it. And then allow them to sit.
That's a joke.
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They never sign until late...
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I agree...and that is why I think we have failed to this point...these guys could have been signed weeks ago if we really wanted them signed.
Yes,if Phil wants to look like an idiot,pay way over market value,not try to be realistic and just bow down and give them whatever they ask for,he could do that!
I think it would be pretty frickin' STUPID,but it ia an option.
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There is no way to prove this, but I would bet you a house payment that in the end, the figure ends up WAY closer to what the players ask for in the beginning than what the teams offer in the beginning.
It is all based on market....I don't think many go in asking 30% above market.
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i know its baseball.. but tell Alex Rodriguez that.. lol
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Not after the fact.
And yes....baseball is a totally different deal.
Those guys don't have to ask....they sit back and weigh offers.
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The Steelers start camp on Monday....and LB Lawrence Timmons (1) LB Lamarr Woodley (2) TE Matt Spaeth (3) CB William Gay (5) are still unsigned.
P Daniel Sepulveda (4) DT Ryan McBean (4) OG Cameron Stephenson (5) WR Dallas Baker (7) are all signed
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Well you don't have to worry about your second rounder, Woodley, Hack. Steelers signed him. . .
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Was just coming in to update the post.
Word is Timmons should be signed by Monday.....Not hearing much on the 3rd rounder Speath.
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There is no way to prove this, but I would bet you a house payment that in the end, the figure ends up WAY closer to what the players ask for in the beginning than what the teams offer in the beginning.
It is all based on market....I don't think many go in asking 30% above market.
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Peen,in my experience with you,I have never know you to play "the drama queen". But we are talking about "standard operating procedure" for EVERY team,year in and year out. You act like this is some "special delimna". Why?
Thomas? It'll get done. He's not a QB. You have a fairly basic guideline to go but in terms of salary. But salary? You make it sound like it's "just that simple".
And the fact is,you're far smarter than that,especially in leagal matters.You know the "IMPORTANT deatails". Signing bonus,roster bonuses,length of contract.Incentive based portions of the contract,etc.... Need I really go on?
Why don't you cut the crap Peen?
Wright? He'll be signed. Nothing technical there.
The only true "complicated deal" will be Quinns. And where is the "fair pay" equasion constitute either party in guilt? You think these agents aren't trying to "bleed every drop? I'm pretty disapointed in your stance here and one sided look at things to be honest. Not that you really give a damn. But I am. I thought I knew you a little better,but I was wrong.
Quinn? God luck on that happenning quicky. He was drafted in the twenties,but his agent will want top 10. But hey,just give it to him. Right? Jeesh Peen.
It's going to be a drawn out process for "Savage to do his job" here. But that's okay. It's all "the Browns fault",right?
Man,I can't really believe I'm reading what you're posting.
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Quinn contract effects the whole league in the draft next year. The Browns have to be careful or every GM in the NFL will be P.O.d at em. Thats where the creative stuff comes in.
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