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Yeah, that's why 22 million would lose their healthcare insurance. Because everybody has it, right?


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Yes, kicking tens of millions of people off of healthcare has nothing to do with anyone dying.


Thats not fear mongering? ... rofl




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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Yes, kicking tens of millions of people off of healthcare has nothing to do with anyone dying.


I was wrong .... well .. ok ... not wrong ... it is fearmongering ...

Its also a LIE ... FLAT OUT LIE ... at least the way u worded it ...




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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Yeah, that's why 22 million would lose their healthcare insurance. Because everybody has it, right?
Is it really kicking someone off something they choose not to be on in the first place?

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Yes, kicking tens of millions of people off of healthcare has nothing to do with anyone dying.


Thats not fear mongering? ... rofl


Actually it's facts of what they tried to pass into legislation.


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Yes, we can go back to you helping pay the bill for the uninsured. And let's get rid of that pesky auto insurance mandate too. I mean there's a lot of people who don't want that too. I mean since you dislike people paying for insurance they don't want. Or are you going to pick and choose on this issue too?


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Originally Posted By: Haus
This post contained a number of events from PDX's native


I am not a "native" of the UK. I was born in Delaware. Spent my youth in Pontiac and Cleveland. Went to college in the midwest and NY. As an adult I did, however, live in the UK for 14 years.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Yes, we can go back to you helping pay the bill for the uninsured. And let's get rid of that pesky auto insurance mandate too. I mean there's a lot of people who don't want that too. I mean since you dislike people paying for insurance they don't want. Or are you going to pick and choose on this issue too?
I have already informed you how the auto insurance analogy doesn't hold water on a thread weeks ago, no need to relive that win again.

Yes, we can go back to you helping pay the bill for the uninsured.Isnt that not what the ACA is ? other pay for you bill, no? You make it really hard to argue against when you make points for me.

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Originally Posted By: PDXBrownsFan
Originally Posted By: Haus
This post contained a number of events from PDX's native


I am not a "native" of the UK. I was born in Delaware. Spent my youth in Pontiac and Cleveland. Went to college in the midwest and NY. As an adult I did, however, live in the UK for 14 years.


Thanks for the clarification. I remember one of our old convos about this but I got the details mixed up.

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The point is that you're going to pay for it either way and I find it funny and rather silly to try to argue and make political points about which way you would rather pay for it.

See, insurance works the same way no matter what you say. The insured pay the bill for the uninsured whether it's auto insurance or health insurance.. You just think your way of paying for the uninsured is somehow better when it really all works out the same.


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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
What he and others fail to realize is that by owning a gun, I respect MY and MY FAMILIES life, but ways of protecting them.


Tell me again how many people (adults and kids) are accidentally shot in their own homes with their own guns?

Just in case you forgot or didn't know (and, this data is a couple years old): https://injury.research.chop.edu/violenc...nd#.WeEZJxNSw1g

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I wonder how many people that used to be able to afford health care and had it ... no longer have it because they can’t afford it? ...

Every year that # has to be rising significantly ...

Its AWESOME .. what a concept ... U get to go work so u can pay taxes to subsidize or flat out pay for someone else’s health care that u can’t afford anymore because of the sky rocketing cost of Obama care .... then to top it off u get to pay a fine FOR NOT HAVING IT at the end of the year just to make sure more folks are covered ..... BRILLIANT!

U get to pay others health insurance through your taxes and then u get fined cause u can’t afford it yourself ... sign me the hell up ... *L* ...

... and u can’t say a damm thing about it cause you’ll get folks like Pit upset with U ...

Thats the part of the equation no one ever brings up ... guess its just fear mongering .. rolleyes

PS. I find it both sad and amusing all the discussion about health care ...

Obama care has failed ... its IMPLODING for ALL OF US ... i think its in Fla. there asking for over a 100% raise in premiums for next year ... Arizona’s over 60 or 70% ... Insurers are running away from it ... and save it .... THIS STARTED LONG BEFORE TRUMP TOOK OFFICE ...

Obama care was always meant to fail ... it was a stepping stone to single payer ... guess where were headed ....

Good thing congress is like this board and only wants to consider who to blame and who to point fingers at instead of doing their jobs and come up with something that works for all of us




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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
The point is that you're going to pay for it either way and I find it funny and rather silly to try to argue and make political points about which way you would rather pay for it.

See, insurance works the same way no matter what you say. The insured pay the bill for the uninsured whether it's auto insurance or health insurance.. You just think your way of paying for the uninsured is somehow better when it really all works out the same.

So it "all works out the same" you just again proved me right about the doom and gloom of repealing it. Man your getting too easy

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Originally Posted By: PDXBrownsFan
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
What he and others fail to realize is that by owning a gun, I respect MY and MY FAMILIES life, but ways of protecting them.


Tell me again how many people (adults and kids) are accidentally shot in their own homes with their own guns?

Just in case you forgot or didn't know (and, this data is a couple years old): https://injury.research.chop.edu/violenc...nd#.WeEZJxNSw1g
Tell me again how many of those that are included in your little study are suicides? Oh, right, you have another illiterate post that means nothing.

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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
I wonder how many people that used to be able to afford health care and had it ... no longer have it because they can’t afford it? ...

Every year that # has to be rising significantly ...

Its AWESOME .. what a concept ... U get to go work so u can pay taxes to subsidize or flat out pay for someone else’s health care that u can’t afford anymore because of the sky rocketing cost of Obama care .... then to top it off u get to pay a fine FOR NOT HAVING IT at the end of the year just to make sure more folks are covered ..... BRILLIANT!

U get to pay others health insurance through your taxes and then u get fined cause u can’t afford it yourself ... sign me the hell up ... *L* ...

... and u can’t say a damm thing about it cause you’ll get folks like Pit upset with U ...

Thats the part of the equation no one ever brings up ... guess its just fear mongering .. rolleyes

PS. I find it both sad and amusing all the discussion about health care ...

Obama care has failed ... its IMPLODING for ALL OF US ... i think its in Fla. there asking for over a 100% raise in premiums for next year ... Arizona’s over 60 or 70% ... Insurers are running away from it ... and save it .... THIS STARTED LONG BEFORE TRUMP TOOK OFFICE ...

Obama care was always meant to fail ... it was a stepping stone to single payer ... guess where were headed ....

Good thing congress is like this board and only wants to consider who to blame and who to point fingers at instead of doing their jobs and come up with something that works for all of us
Because as I have pointed out the left deals in fear mongering more than anyone - any those on the left do not seek out other information other than what fits their agenda. So actual cause and effect does not matter. All they see is what Maddow tells them to see.

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The left deals in fear mongering exactly like the right does.

"Obama will take away all of your guns!"

It's time to quit pointing the finger at one side when both sides are just as guilty.


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That's right. Defend the violence. Get angry about those "liberals trying to take your guns". Post on Facebook your "thoughts and prayers" after every mass shooting.

But, those football players peacefully protesting and trying to have a national discussion? "Man, that really gets me angry".

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Originally Posted By: PDXBrownsFan
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
What he and others fail to realize is that by owning a gun, I respect MY and MY FAMILIES life, but ways of protecting them.


Tell me again how many people (adults and kids) are accidentally shot in their own homes with their own guns?

Just in case you forgot or didn't know (and, this data is a couple years old): https://injury.research.chop.edu/violenc...nd#.WeEZJxNSw1g


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Those people that die from accidental shooting were more than three times as likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control group.


Uh.........and?

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Originally Posted By: PDXBrownsFan
That's right. Defend the violence. Get angry about those "liberals trying to take your guns". Post on Facebook your "thoughts and prayers" after every mass shooting.

But, those football players peacefully protesting and trying to have a national discussion? "Man, that really gets me angry".

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Man you have been spanked on every comment you have made today...others have pointed it out, and the ones on your side of the argument wont even stand up for you crazy comments. Yet here you go again, spreading lies. Show me where I ever said that about the anthem? Since you cant, its another lie.

You do realize most gun violence comes from the strictest gun controlled states and cities, right?

Are you following me on FB? Whats my name? I am sure the REFS would like to some sort of link showing what I have posted or said on other sites you are referring too. Otherwise, step down you know nothing, have contributed nothing to the topic, and will never be anything other than message board troll.

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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
What he and others fail to realize is that by owning a gun, I respect MY and MY FAMILIES life, but ways of protecting them.


Tell me again how many people (adults and kids) are accidentally shot in their own homes with their own guns?

Just in case you forgot or didn't know (and, this data is a couple years old): https://injury.research.chop.edu/violenc...nd#.WeEZJxNSw1g


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Those people that die from accidental shooting were more than three times as likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control group.


Uh.........and?
I think its trying to say that those who were shot by a gun had a gun???? WOW THATS SOME STUDY THERE!!!

I wonder if those that die from a car wreck were driving at the time?!

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While I'm a firm supporter of the second amendment I will say one thing about your post above. Strict regulations in any state mean nothing. People simply go to a neighboring state with more lax gun laws to purchase them.

So we do agree that strict gun laws in a state have no real impact. But it's not because the guns they are getting are within those states.


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Originally Posted By: PDXBrownsFan
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
What he and others fail to realize is that by owning a gun, I respect MY and MY FAMILIES life, but ways of protecting them.


Tell me again how many people (adults and kids) are accidentally shot in their own homes with their own guns?

Just in case you forgot or didn't know (and, this data is a couple years old): https://injury.research.chop.edu/violenc...nd#.WeEZJxNSw1g


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Those people that die from accidental shooting were more than three times as likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control group.


Uh.........and?
I think its trying to say that those who were shot by a gun had a gun???? WOW THATS SOME STUDY THERE!!!

I wonder if those that die from a car wreck were driving at the time?!


To make the stats, they didn't even need to be driving at the time.

Most people killed in car accidents were in a car at the time of the accident.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
While I'm a firm supporter of the second amendment I will say one thing about your post above. Strict regulations in any state mean nothing. People simply go to a neighboring state with more lax gun laws to purchase them.

So we do agree that strict gun laws in a state have no real impact. But it's not because the guns they are getting are within those states.
Criminals cant get guns unless they buy them illegally. So any law does nothing for that. They will still buy/obtain them.

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
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Originally Posted By: PDXBrownsFan
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
What he and others fail to realize is that by owning a gun, I respect MY and MY FAMILIES life, but ways of protecting them.


Tell me again how many people (adults and kids) are accidentally shot in their own homes with their own guns?

Just in case you forgot or didn't know (and, this data is a couple years old): https://injury.research.chop.edu/violenc...nd#.WeEZJxNSw1g


Quote:
Those people that die from accidental shooting were more than three times as likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control group.


Uh.........and?
I think its trying to say that those who were shot by a gun had a gun???? WOW THATS SOME STUDY THERE!!!

I wonder if those that die from a car wreck were driving at the time?!


To make the stats, they didn't even need to be driving at the time.

Most people killed in car accidents were in a car at the time of the accident.
Regardless, the point I was making is that if someone is shot - the vast majority would be by a gun. Such as someone who dies in a car accident, it would involve a car someway. it was a idiotic study. likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control group

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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Man you have been spanked on every comment you have made today...


rofl Uh...Ok.

A lot of what I have read is angry people with guns defending why they need a gun and 40 saying that his Sundays are being ruined by those who wish to discuss issues bigger than football.

Great intelligent debate. thumbsup

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Uh........I was agreeing with you.

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Y'all remember that time that Obama and Hillary came for your guns and you decided the only course of action was to elect Trump? lol

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Ya'll remember that time that ya'll said Trump had no chance of winning the election? catfight

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Ya'll remember that time that ya'll said Trump had no chance of winning the election? catfight



Wasn't me! I warned people of that for a long time before the primaries were done.

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That's true. I just thought I would point out that state gun regulations actually mean nothing in the debate when they can simply go to a neighboring state with less regulations to get those guns.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
That's true. I just thought I would point out that state gun regulations actually mean nothing in the debate when they can simply go to a neighboring state with less regulations to get those guns.


True.

And we have laws against murder. Those haven't stopped murder.

We have laws, laws, laws........and they have yet to stop a criminal. (murderer/s)

What is another law going to do?

Now, I can see how background checks for EVERY gun purchase would be neat. But I also know the Vegas shooter purchased his guns legally. So, what would change?

We need more and more laws, right? Law abiding citizens abide by those laws. Bad guys don't. Period.

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If a 6 shot revolver, a pump action shotgun, or a lever/bolt action rifle won't get it done for you, you don't need a gun. JMHO

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make all guns max capacity 6 rounds, and tax the hell out of ammo and roll your own ammo products. Use the outrageous tax for the victims of gun violence. Everybody is happy except the nuts.

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make all guns max capacity 6 rounds, and tax the hell out of ammo and roll your own ammo products. Use the outrageous tax for the victims of gun violence. Everybody is happy except the nuts.


Do you mean the only happy people will be the liberal nuts?

If so, I agree with you.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
make all guns max capacity 6 rounds, and tax the hell out of ammo and roll your own ammo products. Use the outrageous tax for the victims of gun violence. Everybody is happy except the nuts.


Twist one ankle on each Lib so we will know them by their limp.

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What does anyone need an AR-15 for? Squirrels?

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What does anyone need an AR-15 for? Squirrels?


Yes. The squirrels can eat lead.


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make all guns max capacity 6 rounds, and tax the hell out of ammo and roll your own ammo products. Use the outrageous tax for the victims of gun violence. Everybody is happy except the nuts.


Twist one ankle on each Lib so we will know them by their limp.


Violence... Typical cowardly response.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
make all guns max capacity 6 rounds, and tax the hell out of ammo and roll your own ammo products. Use the outrageous tax for the victims of gun violence. Everybody is happy except the nuts.


Twist one ankle on each Lib so we will know them by their limp.


Violence... Typical cowardly response.


You are the same dude who said you want to punch Trump supporters in an alley.


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Don't forget Blasting them in the face!

He said that.

like a coward.

And quickly shut down his computer to hide.

As he limped away on that ankle.

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