DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Rating Sashi Brown's Drafted Players So Far

It's too early to grade the drafts, but I thought an overall look at the two drafts so far might be interesting. Based on grades alone, it will be easy for most of you to trash a bulk of the players, and I fully expect that because that's what we do. But I do suggest keeping an open mind, especially when considering ratings like 67.8 #71 Below Average for Ogbah and 65.9 #31 Below Average for Njoku. In other words, the ratings don't tell the whole story. Poor QB play, poor team play as a whole, youth, inexperience, time within the systems, and upside potential all factor in. Also keep in mind that the quick blurbs about performance are JMHO, and in no way reflect any official scouting reports. Anyway, have at it.


2016

Rd 1

Corey Coleman WR #15 - Shows potential but often injured. Can’t classify as a bust yet, but we need to see consistent production and the ability to stay on the field. Current PFF rating is 73.3 #45 Average.

Rd 2

Emmanuel Ogbah DE #32 - Starting DE - Shows flashes and has potential but is inconsistent. Needs further development & experience. The return of Garret may help his play. Current PFF rating is 67.8 #71 Below Average.

Rd 3

Carl Nassib DE #65 - Second String DE behind Miles Garret. Shows potential and flashes but often disappears. Current PFF rating is 47.1 #96 Poor.

Shon Coleman OT #76 - Starting RT. Good run blocker, struggles with pass protection but is showing improvement. Current PFF rating is 70 #29 Average.

Cody Kessler #QB 93 - 3rd String QB. May be too early to call a bust, but the writing is on the wall. No PFF rating.

Rd 4

Joe Shobert LB #99 - Starting MLB - Good motor, shows flashes, inexperience and physical tools may be limiting. Current PFF rating is 42.7 #68 Poor.

Ricardo Lewis WR #114 Second String WR behind Kenny Britt. Good work ethic but has issues with drops. Needs work on route running. Current PFF rating is 43.9 #100 Poor.

Derrick Kindred DB #129 - Starting Safety - Good tackler, and has some very good game. Still developing, may have high upside. Current PFF rating is 77.1 #33 Average.

Seth DeValve TE #138 - Backup TE to Telfer but in reality is starting “Pass Catching” TE. Fairly consistent catching the ball and getting separation but inconsistent QB play makes him difficult to judge. Not a good blocker. Current PFF rating is 62.3 #35 Below Average.

Rd 5

Jordan Payton WR #154 - No longer in football at this time.

Spencer Drango OG #168 - Backup RG to Kevin Zeitler. Developmental player. No PFF Rating.

Rashard Higgins WR #172 - Starting WR. In because of injury. Inconsistent so far. Inconsistent QB play makes it difficult to just. Like all Browns WRs has “drop” problems. Current PFF rating is
42.5 #102 Poor.

Trey Caldwell CB #250 - No longer in football at this time.

Rd 7

Scooby Wright LB #250 - Backup ILB for the AZ Cardinals.


2017

Rd 1

Myles Garret DE #1 - Starting DE. Just coming off injury. Limited play. Very High potential if he can stay healthy. Current PFF Rating is 74.3 #0 (probably not enough data) Average.

Jabrill Peppers DB #25 - Starting FS. Has been wildly inconsistent, possibly in part due to scheme and distance played from LOS. Non-factor in punt returns. Current PFF Rating is 38 #83 Poor.

David Njoku TE #29 - Backup TE. Has shown flashes and has tremendous upside. Inconsistent QB makes it difficult to judge. Has improved week to week. Current PFF Rating is 65.9 #31 Below Average.

Rd 2

Deshone Kizer QB #52 - Backup QB. Has been benched in favor of Hogan due to inconsistent play and stagnant growth. Has upside and potential, with physical skills and tools. Current PFF Rating is 44 #32 Poor.

Rd 3

Larry Ogunjobi DT #65 - Backup DT. Has flashed and shown good potential. Current PFF Rating is 80.3 #33 Above Average.

Rd 4

Howard Wilson CB #126 - Out due to injury. Potentially could return to practice week 7. No PFF rating.

Rd 5

Roderick Johnson OT #160 - Out due to injury.

Rd 6

Caleb Brantley DT #185 - Third string DT behind the deepest position group on the team. Has high upside. Current PFF Rating is 47.8 #0 (small sample) Poor.

Rd 7

Zane Gonzalez K #185 - Starting Kicker. Poor showing thus far with three missed FGs. Very disappointing so far. Has upside but needs to start making FGs or is in danger of losing his jog. No PFF rating that I could find.

Matthew Dayes RB #252 - 3rd string back up RB. Has flashed but not much production so far. No PFF rating that I could find.

Just curious, how many view PFF as a legit source?

Reading through the posts on several threads, it seems that a lot of people think that PFF is biased and clueless when they give our guys low ratings and dead on when they give a guy like S. Coleman an average grade and McCourty a high grade while giving guys like Haden poor grades.

LOL.........I'm kidding, but it's actually true.

I think the FO has to do a better job of finding "football players."

They are not taking into effect where they guys were drafted. Joe S at 4th round is a steal. He is playing very good ball so far as an example. Listing player than can start and produce as poor who was drafted in the 4th round is just crazy.

Caleb Brantly in the 7th round was a steal as well. They have him listed as poor. How many other 7th round picks are still even playing, yet producing (although very limited, he is still playing).

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Well first off...I think the PFF grades are questionable at best.

I actually think the pay off from the 2016 draft is looking pretty good. Ogbah has taken big steps thus far this year and I think has looked great. Both Schobert and Kindred have taken big leaps forward as well and have become solid starters. Others, who are still with us, are all playing productive roles on the team minus Kessler.

2017 has been similarly good. Actually, I'd say the worst performer from that draft thus far may actually be Kizer. I still don't hate the pick given where we picked him up but he's showing exactly what draftniks said...needs another year of experience. Physical tools are all there but the mental side of the game hasn't caught up.

I'll amend that...Gonzalez is the most disappointing thus far. When you use a pick on a kicker, you expect him to be nails.


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I posted the PFF rating as sort of a milestone as to where we are now as a snapshot five games in. I'm hoping to update the list periodically to chart progress over time. As I mentioned, there are many factors that could contribute to the relatively poor grades. And I have to wonder, if we were say 3-2 the grades might not be higher. (But I suppose that assumes performances would be better). Also, I agree that the eye test has many of our players looking much better than the grades would indicate.
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It shows that PFF or whoever doesn't take into account what the eye sees but it's there, league wide, so offers a comparison. Players on good teams will have their play elevated whilst good players on bad teams will suffer the reverse, is my 2p.

I personally think that the 2 drafts have been very decent based on what we've seen to date. Still, lots of time to revise that either way.

I don't think you are interested. I think you only made that post to discredit what I said. And if I post a couple of examples, you'll turn things around and not admit that it's been happening.

But, just in case you are actually legit, here are a "couple of examples:



Then, you can go to another thread and find the comments about McCourty's rating and Haden's rating. You can then go to the S. Coleman thread and see the comments about PFF having him rated as middle of the pack. One poster said he was 29th and another 25th.


These comments are all there. You may not agree w/my takes, but I certainly don't lie about things. If you want to try and convince others that I am........oh well........go for it!

Cory Coleman is definitely a bust, not even a question.

The grades can be done in one word

Incomplete

If you need help with a brain fart just let me know. I am an expert at that

...Instead we got Coleman, a first round bust. The Browns made a conscious decision to draft Coleman over Wentz and patted themselves on the back about it. Egregious and fireable. When is the madness going to stop?...

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Reading through the posts on several threads, it seems that a lot of people think that PFF is biased and clueless when they give our guys low ratings and dead on when they give a guy like S. Coleman an average grade and McCourty a high grade while giving guys like Haden poor grades.

Having them or avoiding them?

Didn't Hooker have an injury that kept him out of the combine? That may have been a reason they passed on him. Hooker may become a good pro but it's too early to write off Peppers as inferior, IMO.

No, it is not too soon to rate players. This team needed starters that could perform. Corey Coleman had a reputation of being injured in college. He also came from a system that had few routes to run. This team does not need this, they need players to step in and play right now. Especially first and second round players. They must improve every year. If you look at the draft of 2016 you will find not many players improving and you will find only 4 to 5 players out of 14 worth keeping. Sashi's analytics was supposed to eliminate this woe. Schobert is an outside LB and is undersized to play the middle. When you a lot of undrafted players on your team that means you suck.

I believe it was more about the trade then the injury. Hue was said to be fighting hard to draft him, but the trade was to much to pass up

The Browns also passed on Ohio State safety Malik Hooker in the trade down to 25. They liked Hooker, and the safety said the Browns showed a lot of interest in the pre-draft process.

The trade gives the Browns five picks in the first two rounds next season: two in the first and three in the second.

I get it, Rish.

But, in the FO's defense.......I have to say that it is extremely difficult to evaluate the majority of collegiate qbs in this era. Unless they are playing in a pro-style offense, there is just no way to know if they have the ability to process what they see [post-snap] quickly enough.