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But you are as the local business you support is by paying for the NFL channels.

I dont mind that BECAUSE SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES IS GOOD FOR MY COMMUNITY.

I put that in caps because liberals are low intel and cant follow the bouncing ball.

Excellent. So, we have finally established, after all that, in the end you really don't mind supporting the NFL.

I don't see it as low intel...I think we just pointed out the fundamental flaws in your bogus attempt to "speak out about it" and poor attempt to "not support the NFL".

Have fun watching the game tomorrow. I'm sure Roger thanks you for your money (as does your local establishment).

You can try that aporoach, but I dont really care. My community comes before beefs with the nfl.

Like I told Swish and you two both fail to acknowledge, I wont be buying any NFL merch, or game tickets.

I dont have to "not watch".

Its really funny how liberal snowflakes cry about not watching. Fans could just as easily say Hey dumb nfl players, don't play. But we dont see them passing up a paycheck do we? Money comes before principles for the snowflake players.

You mean how Conservative snowflakes cry about the football players kneeling yet continue to watch and directly or indirectly give money to the NFL?

Oh, and didn't Watson give a paycheck to his community (Houston)?

See this is where you dumbys make your mistake, you assume we have to stop watching to get our point across. We really dont.

You are so dumb, you create an imaginary scenario about conservatives, then you boohoo when conservatives dont live up to your imaginary scenario.

Keep crying dumby.

If they were serious about their cause ...

They kneel during a play ...

Correction: it is spelled: "dummies".

I just find it really humorous that you spent so much time going on and on about the protest and not supporting the NFL but, when us "dummies" point out that you are actually supporting the NFL you stomp your feet and hurl insults. Now you are going back on everything you said by justifying your support of the NFL by continuing to watch the games. Following this logic is kinda like trying to make sense of Trump when he goes off script. It simply doesn't make sense. Perhaps you should stop listening to him so much so we can follow what you are saying from here on in.

Please keep up, oh deluded one.

I never said I dont support the NFL.

You did.

I never said I wont watch,

You did.

KEEP MAKING UP BS. ITS ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO.

All I ever said is I wont be buying merch or game tickets.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO REPEAT MYSELF BEFORE YOU CAN COMPREHEND.

I think you are rather slow. Becahse this is like the 5th time I have had to explain it to you,

But I will make you a deal. When the players decide to get a spine and stop playing, I will stop watching.

And I spelled it dumby on purpose. Because that word is more fun than dummy. Plus, it would be disrespecting arch's dog to put you and him in the same sentence.

I wasn't aware of that. This protest thing: First, it was against inequality, then it was about Trump, now it's about the fans.

I can't keep up.

My goodness...........some people have good memories.

My dog IS dumb though.

lol I always remember pet stories, because pets are near and dear to my heart.

Bottom Line ... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

what are you talking about? im talking the discussion on this board currently going on.

Ok. Sounds like a similar long winded excuse that you made for still watching the games while telling yourself you are not supporting the NFL. And, similar to calling the players "snowflakes" while posting multiple snowflake posts about your disagreement with their protest or your own protests/disagreements about health care etc. etc.

Well you can think that if it makes you feel better about yourself and your lack of debating skills.

The rest of us know I speak the truth.

Basically that was a "PDX has nothing" response.

Keep on deluding yourself, Eve.

But, there are two things we do share that I believe to be "your truth"....I too love pets, especially dogs and I also like that first Rage Against The Machine album. Didn't like anything they recorded after it, however.

Props to pets, and RATM. (I was all about their playlist on youtube last week, I wouldnt have thought to go listen
to it if not for this forum )

High five!

More suppression from racist cops ....

http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/10/13/l...est-stance.html

A Louisiana sheriff’s office is boycotting Ford’s police cars due to the automaker’s support for the right of NFL players to protest during the playing of the national anthem before games.

Whittington wrote that “the Bossier Sheriff’s Office will no longer purchase Ford products as long as Ford sides with these who have no regard for the men and women who protect and serve this great nation. Yes, the NFL players have a right to protest as they deem necessary, but we, the Bossier Sheriff’s Office and the taxpayers of Bossier Parish have a right to spend our money elsewhere.”

Ford, an NFL sponsor, issued a statement in September on the protests that said, “"we respect individuals' rights to express their views, even if they are not ones we share. That's part of what makes America great."

Whittington also sent the letter to all of Louisiana’s sheriffs, along with the state and national sheriffs' association presidents urging them to join his boycott. None of those recipients, or Ford, have yet commented on Whittington's stance.

The dealership, Hixon Automotive Group, has also not publicly responded to the letter, but a Bossier Parish Sheriff’s Office Facebook post says that the owner reached out to the Sheriff to say that he was unaware of Ford’s position and that it also concerns him. He told Whittington that he would be presenting the letter to Ford leadership soon.

Whittington’s office has a fleet of over 300 vehicles, but they’re not exclusively Ford products, according to Automotive News. The Shreveport Times reports that the Bossier Parish Sheriff’s Office bought nearly $750,000 worth of Ford vehicles from Hixon Automotive Group in 2016 and 2017.

Along with the automaker’s sponsorship deal with the league, members of the Ford family have owned the Detroit Lions since 1963 and the team plays in Ford Field.

Georgia Police Arrest 5, Including 2 Law Enforcement Officers, for 1983 Murder

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/geo...rs-1983-n810666


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A decades-old investigation in Georgia into the murder of a black man in 1983 culminated in the arrest of five white people on Friday, including two law enforcement officers charged with hindering the probe, officials said.

The body of Timothy Coggins, 23, was found on Oct. 9, 1983, in a grassy area near power lines in the community of Sunnyside, about 30 miles south of downtown Atlanta.

He had been “brutally murdered” and his body had signs of trauma, the Spalding County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement.

Image: Timothy Coggins
Timothy Coggins Spalding County Sheriff's Office
Investigators spoke to people who knew Coggins, but the investigation went cold, Spalding County Sheriff Darrell Dix said at a news conference.

This past March, new evidence led investigators from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and Spalding County to re-examine the case.

Dix did not provide details on the nature of the evidence, saying more tips were received after authorities, over the summer, announced to the media the case was re-opened.

“Even on my grandmother’s death bed, she knew that justice would one day be served.”
Some witnesses confessed they lived with knowledge about the case for years, but were afraid to come forward, Dix said.

“It has been an emotional roller coaster for everybody that was involved,” Dix said.

Police arrested five people on Friday in connection with the slaying. Frankie Gebhardt, 59, and Bill Moore Sr, 58, were each charged with murder, aggravated assault and other crimes.

Authorities did not immediately say where Gebhardt and Moore lived. At a hearing Saturday morning, the two were denied bond, the Sheriff's Office said.

Related: Follow Other Cold Cases That Remain Unsolved

Gregory Huffman, 47, was charged with obstruction and violation of oath of office, Dix said. Huffman was a detention officer with the Spalding County Sheriff’s Office but his employment was terminated after he was arrested. Huffman was being held on a $25,000 bond for the violation of oath of office and $10,000 for obstruction.

Lamar Bunn, a police officer in the town of Milner, which is south of Spalding County, was also arrested and charged with obstruction, as was Sandra Bunn, 58. She is Lamar’s mother, according to NBC affiliate WXIA. Lamar and Sandra were both released Friday night on bond of $706.75.

Image: Clockwise, left to right; Gregory Huffman, Bill Moore Sr., Frankie Gebhardt, Sandra Bunn, and Lamar Bunn.
Clockwise, left to right; Gregory Huffman, Bill Moore Sr., Frankie Gebhardt, Sandra Bunn, and Lamar Bunn. Spalding County Sheriff's Office
Investigators are convinced the murder was racially motivated, Dix said.

“There is no doubt in the minds of all investigators involved that the crime was racially motivated and that if the crime happened today it would be prosecuted as a hate crime,” the Sheriff’s Office said.

Dix said that "without getting into detail, you hear people talk about overkill and this was definitely overkill. It was meant to send a message and it was brutal."

Several members of Coggins’ family appeared at the news conference Friday where authorities announced the arrests.

The family held out for justice all this time, said Heather Coggins, a niece of the victim.

“Even on my grandmother’s death bed, she knew that justice would one day be served,” she said.

It was not immediately clear if any of the five arrested people had an attorney, and they could not be reached for comment.

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Remember that while you laugh at the expense of other people’s loves you piece of crap. Yea I’m tired of being nice to you now, because while you are making fun of fellow Americans being oppressed, there is real misery and fear going on in our communities that you claim are equal to you.

This is the kind of crap that goes on between the police and minorities on a regular basis. From crap coverups likes this, to being in the justice system while the police and prosecutors provide false testimony in order to convict at a higher rate, mostly done against minorities, but then only overturned by DNA 20-30years when it already too late.

There are cases where the state has EXCECUTED men, only for the conviction to be overturned later due to dna evidence proving otherwise.

And how many times do you think situations happened like that to minorities, Diam? How many police brutality issues have happened throughout our history that we don’t even KNOW about?

So you continue to have a good time and laugh at the expense of others lives.

You mock and trash the issues that minority communities go through in this country, but when it comes to you fellow whites and heroin and opioid abuse, it’s serious business then. You aren’t laughing and mocking white people over that.

But we’re americans. I thought we were all equal?

Guess that was a load crap, just like the stuff coming out of your president’s mouth.

You’re trash for laughinng and mocking us. I want you to know that from the bottom of my heart. You represent everything that I actively speak out against. Whatever minimum respect we built is gone.

Are you high?

Like seriously?

I saw this on the news here and thought it was great they found resolution to a cold case.

It has nothing to do with the nfl.

Or whatever drug induced rantings you are going on about.

Awesome. Maybe now they afford to keep their bodycams on when they're working the job

Piece of crap huh? ... thats a new one ....

Guess u don’t value my opinion anymore ....

U ASSume an awful lot of things Swish ... an awful lot ...

I’m glad they got those people ... just wish they could get them all ....

I’ve sensed u being real froggy since I came back ... I hope things are OK with U and yours ... and even though I’M A PIECE OF CRAP ... I mean that ... i wish no ill will on anyone ... not even those that think i’m A piece of crap or trash ...

You’ve made it quite clear with your mocking of fellow Americans issues in their communities.

No sir ... would never do that ... not even close to who i am ... weather u believe it or not ....

Your taking your pre-conceived notions of me and the subject matter then taking what i say and running with it ...

Night Swish ...

*Speaking to myself*

I can't believe that anybody watches the TV before the game starts. I always set the DVR and wait till about 2 PM to start watching the game, that way I can fast forward through the stupid commercials, halftime and the anthem. I guess I'm weird.

Today we find out which teams are distracted over kneeling and which teams are focused on Football and win.

You & me both, My Brother.
Especially on days like today, as we have an opera performance today. Folks know very well to keep away from me with NFL/Browns news, as I'll be watching the game AFTER the show.

I don't want to give anything away, but you might not want to watch it EVER.

I can't believe anybody still watches what the team in Cleveland claims to be. I stopped watching. Haven't paid attention to my fantasy team either and life is GOOOOOOD!

I posted 'Profits before protests' when this began and was mocked.....hmmmmm interesting.

Football is dying folks, there's a whole world out there to enjoy no matter what race you are. Come to New Smyrna Beach and I'll show you.

The best part about bodycams is all the defense attorneys that try to keep that footage from being introduced in court

Diam... why do you, or anyone else for that matter bother to engage anyone on this subject? At least on these boards? It's about as useless as one of mac's eternal "Front Office" threads.

Haven't guys (and ladies... Hi Eve!! :D) like you, 40, Arch, Vambo, Haus,and others realized that there is no statement that you can make that they will say is correct? That there is no question that you can ask that they will ever deem appropriate?


You will always be called trash and a racist when confront them with facts.

You will always be viewed as deflecting from the topic at hand when you try to ask questions that don't fit within their narrow narrative.

They will always purposefully take your posts out of context.

They will always fabricate your viewpoint.

They will always do these things in an attempt to shame and intimidate you in to owning the sins of others, while simultaneously divesting themselves of their own sins.

There is nothing to be gained.

Personally, I checked out on this topic long ago. I tried recently to get back in to it, but my posts were admittedly nothing even remotely close to constructive. And the reason I checked out really didn't have much to do with the stuff I talked about above. It happened one night at work.

First, I'm white. And I'm a cop. According to the narrative out there, every problem that happens to black people is my fault. That's ultimately the conclusion pushed here, by the protesting players, media, etc... It is what it is. It's one of those things I had always let go in one ear and out the other.

But we had this crew of 3 suspects who were reported to be black tearing us up with robberies that night.

1) They held someone up at gun point and took their money.
2) The next one they held up, they pistol whipped and let off a shot.
3) The third one they kicked in an apartment door, held one guy face down at gun point, kidnapped his room mate, made him drive them to an ATM at gunpoint, withdraw money, then drop them off back where they kidnapped him.
4) The fourth time they kicked open the door to the house of a Hispanic family, again holding them at gunpoint. We arrived and as we were going in the front door they were literally running out the back.

I was in the area nearby and on a perimeter when I see one of them pop out of a tree line. I got in a short foot chase with him and eventually got him in cuffs without incident. He was the only one we got that night, but we were able to round up the others by the next night.

I also learned later that the guy I caught had raped a 14 year old girl at that last house.

All in all, it was an awesome collar. I even got a citation for it. It's the kind of case that as a cop you get amped about because you got a seriously bad person off the street.

But the situation left a bad taste in my mouth.

The guy I caught... he was only 16.

You know the first thing that he said to me as I walked him back to my patrol car?

"Are you going to treat me any differently because I'm black?"

I said no, that he was going to be treated like anyone else who just kicked in someone's door.

His question really bothered me though. Not because I felt insulted by it. And in some way it really wasn't a totally inappropriate question to ask either. What bothered me about it is that in the span of 4 hours he and his buddies brutally victimized several innocent people...including raping a little girl...

...and his only concern was if he was how HE was going to be treated? No remorse, no apology, no acknowledgement of what he did.

I'm white. And I'm a cop. And according to the narrative.. this is ultimately my fault........?

I snapped in a way. No, not at him. I never exchanged any words with him beyond what was part of the investigation. But I snapped in the sense that no longer was I going to let that BS go in one ear and out the other.

This kid's first concern about his own victimization after having done all those things is not my doing. It's not my fault. It's not even me that put that thought in his head.

It's his family's fault.

It's his community's fault.

It's the fault of all the people who didn't give a damn about him to begin with, but will show up at his press conference if he had pulled a gun on me and got himself killed.

It's the fault of this whole narrative that the only thing he ever did wrong was being black.

It's the fault of the very people on this board who run and hide any time you try to talk about how a kid found himself in a position where his life is over before it really began.

As with many other young boys like him, his life had little to value in the eyes his own family and community,and it wouldn't unless he found himself in a position where a white guy (or cop) takes it. Then all of as sudden his life would have value.

This... anger...indignance? of mine... led to what really became an unhealthy cynicism. Where I live and work, we actually do have a pretty good relationship with our minority communities. "Snitches get stitches" is alive and well here, but there is always someone willing to talk to us and cooperate. We just have to make sure we are able to recognize them. Almost on a daily basis I get "Thank you's" from people of all backgrounds. It's probably not a stretch to say I get 25 kind words from black citizens to every 1 negative comment or look.

I said this cynicism was unhealthy when I realized my reaction in places like Dunkin Donuts where I wholeheartedly reinforce the donut stereotype. Several times I'm approached by black families with young kids and mom says "He loves the police, he wants to be one when he grows up".

On the surface, I'm all smiles and high five'in.. trying to encourage them to stay out of trouble so that one day they can put on a badge and "help people".

But on the inside I'm thinking 'Kid, you've got so much stacked against you... not only do yo have to navigate the troubles your neighborhood has (before you even have to worry about the racists that do exist)... you'll be considered a sell out and a traitor. If you are able to show that kind of resilience and accomplishment, surely you'd be capable of something better than being a cop. You'd be stupid to sell yourself short like that.

A pretty harsh thing to think when you're putting a police badge sticker on a 5 year old.

I also realized that way of thinking made me a hypocrite: how can I call out people for not putting on the badge if they think the system is wrong, but have such discouraging thoughts about a little kid's future?

And trying to come here after all that and beat my head against a wall in a social justice version of mac's Front Office threads... it's a toxic mix. It's not healthy. Nothing is ever solved and no common ground is ever found because those aren't the goals.


Having said all that, there isn't a single Dawg in here that I wouldn't want to sit down in Cleveland Municipal on a frozen Sunday afternoon and get drunk and belligerent and have a contest to see who can come up with the most creative Steelers insults ( I bet 40 and Swish could make a powerful tag team on that one lol).

You did all that and failed to get the point.

Diam was laughing at what people know is a real issue. He openly mocked what real people are going through as if it never happens.

But you’ve made it clear: it’s cool to trash us while you turn around and complain when people criticize you.

I can't believe anybody who really loved football and loved the Browns walked away from them. I am not bashing you I just don't understand it. It doesn't make me right or wrong, and it doesn't make you right or wrong. Speaking only for myself walking away from the Browns is like walking out on your spouse or a family member, or friend just because things got hard.

I will however bash you for walking away from your fantasy team. Your not being fair to the other players in your league when you make a commitment then walk away

Yep. Those who hide in the darkness don't like to see the light. Makes me wonder why cops don't want to wear them.

Great heartfelt post Devil, neither side of this issue is easy.
I thank you for your service!

Why do I continue to post?
I see it like driving nails. You hammer away until the nail is driven in, sometimes the board is so rotten the nail is useless.

I also see it as getting the word out. People read and think so it never hurts to get out my side of the issue. You never know when you touch someone's mind even if they never reply.

I know their are those who see my point of view and think, "What a dirt bag" and there are those who think, "Good point."

So I continue to drop the hamma till that nail is buried.

As far as the people you deal with out there, keep in mind that we humans are capable of great things but we also produce a turd most every day.

Stay safe, recognize greatness and flush the turds.

That's what you got from his post? Dude lays it out there in Clem-esque fashion with a combination of personal experiences and how his experiences have impacted his own struggle with the issue and you break it down to one sentence, you hate us and think it's unfair when we hate you.

He said so much more than that.

if you think it's just about this one post and none of his other post matter then it's whatever.

i've laid out my thoughts on this board and people have replied with two sentences, and you never said anything about that, though.

so yea, i can and will respond with one sentence because lately its all that's warranted.

we as minorities have to admit fault when cops always get the benefit of the doubt and won't take responsibility for anything that's currently happening.

so until that changes then there's no reason to give anything more than a sentence.

he said so much more than that to someone like you who has trust in law enforcement.

i do not. as such, he didn't say much of anything in my perspective.

Good post. Although, I would like to say that this thought that Democrats/Liberals hate personal responsibility or don't take that part into the equation, thus their focus on environmental factors that motivate crime, instead of the results of said crime, might be a little bit of a misunderstanding. I think what the good people of the left (not all of them, especially not Dems), want to create an environment where a 16 year old isn't faced with the decision to go to school or pistol whip someone for money. I won't lie to you, Devil. That kid sounds like a real bad apple, rotten to the core. And he's only 16, not even a legal adult yet. Wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't his first rape or B&E. Again, rotten to the core. Way past normal societal redemption. He's probably been doing it since he was a pre-teen. Now I'm not trying to make excuses for the kid, because there are none. Personal responsibility is the key to living a good life. There's no excuse for not having it. However, I would say that libs would examine his environment and see where he made his decisions to lead him to that life. They would examine it and try to alter the environment so that kids that young don't have to make decisions that they don't fully understand. Just my .02 tho.