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I'm actually with eo on this... Kessler would give us the best chance at winning not because he can win but because he won't lose the game. Kessler could start the next 10 games and he wouldn't throw as many interceptions we have already thrown.
I see a dire need for some legitimate quarterback play.
Turnovers are a killer. Pick 6?
I wouldn't throw in the towel on Hogan. First start and one bad game, but man did he overthrow a lot.
I think with decent QB play we would win games. The WR aren't as bad as people make them out to be, just we have no one who can get them the ball. He also could still loose the remaining games - what was his record last year? 0-8, and by all counts he has regressed since last year.
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Seems like the Red Zone is actually a "no browns land"..
We get there and can't seem to do diddly with it.
We learned that for sure, Hogan isn't the answer. Kessler would and has shown he can take better care of the ball. But he's not the answer either. Might be a stop gap to Kizer or someone else, but not the answer.
Is it time to finally take a serious look at Kap? (I don't see it, but thought I should bring it up)
(hindsight alert) what if we'd have taken Garrett at one and Watson at 12 and either Njoku or Peppers later?
Johnson is our best RB.. not a guy that will bowl you over, but a good back just the same. I don't know what's up with Crow.
I saw a College team take on a Pro team yesterday and they got their butts kicked.
We are young (thus the college team comment)that I hoped would improve, but through 6 games, I don't see much of an improvement. I think the best game we played this season was the first game. Beyond that, it's been a disappointment.
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We are young (thus the college team comment)that I hoped would improve, but through 6 games, I don't see much of an improvement. I think the best game we played this season was the first game. Beyond that, it's been a disappointment. The Texans are just as young as we are, average age is only a couple months higher. The difference? QB and a playmaker on offense.
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We are young (thus the college team comment)that I hoped would improve, but through 6 games, I don't see much of an improvement. I think the best game we played this season was the first game. Beyond that, it's been a disappointment. The Texans are just as young as we are, average age is only a couple months higher. The difference? QB and a playmaker on offense. And the best defense in the NFL when healthy.
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I don't know the details - but saying we have the average age as Houston could be very misleading.
Is that the entire 53 man roster? in which case what is the age of their starters vs our starters? That would be the critical comparison.
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I don't know the details - but saying we have the average age as Houston could be very misleading.
Is that the entire 53 man roster? in which case what is the age of their starters vs our starters? That would be the critical comparison. Starters vs. Starters. Our average age is like 50 days younger than theirs iirc. It briefly flashed up on screen during the game. We also need to consider, that theirs is a byproduct of injuries, and ours is by design. Our defense is so green, sometimes I think I'm watching The U play. Besides McCourty and Collins has anyone played past their rookie deal? Kirksey?
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I don't know the details - but saying we have the average age as Houston could be very misleading.
Is that the entire 53 man roster? in which case what is the age of their starters vs our starters? That would be the critical comparison. Starters vs. Starters. Our average age is like 50 days younger than theirs iirc. It briefly flashed up on screen during the game. We also need to consider, that theirs is a byproduct of injuries, and ours is by design. Our defense is so green, sometimes I think I'm watching The U play. Besides McCourty and Collins has anyone played past their rookie deal? Kirksey? You should also consider the talent they have on their team. Hopkins best season was 1500 yeards, 11TD, 111 catches. That's like all of our WRs stats combined. They have better talent to help their young QB.... we don't.
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They also have a young QB that can throw the damn ball to that talent... we don't. Clear our WRs magically get open and catch catchable balls for the most part. Issue is, they're open and not seen or open, seen and given a floater to try to leap up, expose their whole body for a monster hit and etc.
Some of those balls, I think they could've used a trampoline and still not had enough air to get to them they were thrown so poor.
This offense moves the ball when the QB delivers, we've seen it. Hogan was even good at the start there and we hitting people.
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We are young (thus the college team comment)that I hoped would improve, but through 6 games, I don't see much of an improvement. I think the best game we played this season was the first game. Beyond that, it's been a disappointment. The Texans are just as young as we are, average age is only a couple months higher. The difference? QB and a playmaker on offense. And the best defense in the NFL when healthy. Goes to show you that the young excuse is not really cutting it huh? and BTW that def was not healthy yesterday and they still basically blanked our horrid QB.
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I don't know the details - but saying we have the average age as Houston could be very misleading.
Is that the entire 53 man roster? in which case what is the age of their starters vs our starters? That would be the critical comparison. Starters vs. Starters. Our average age is like 50 days younger than theirs iirc. It briefly flashed up on screen during the game. We also need to consider, that theirs is a byproduct of injuries, and ours is by design. Our defense is so green, sometimes I think I'm watching The U play. Besides McCourty and Collins has anyone played past their rookie deal? Kirksey? You should also consider the talent they have on their team. Hopkins best season was 1500 yeards, 11TD, 111 catches. That's like all of our WRs stats combined. They have better talent to help their young QB.... we don't. Its like people try to find excuses for this team. sheesh, the point is there is no excuse for us not having talent, HOU has showed us that with young players, you can still have talent. The guys we are drafting, stink. the qbs we have passed up for guys like peppers, they don't stink so much.
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We are young (thus the college team comment)that I hoped would improve, but through 6 games, I don't see much of an improvement. I think the best game we played this season was the first game. Beyond that, it's been a disappointment. The Texans are just as young as we are, average age is only a couple months higher. The difference? QB and a playmaker on offense. Well, they have a better Defense or at least it appeared so. Maybe it's out Offense that makes them appear better.. All I know is this team isn't right yet.
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Same defense riddled with ALL the injuries they had. Clowney wasn't even likely playing at 100% and was down on the field injured too.
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We are young (thus the college team comment)that I hoped would improve, but through 6 games, I don't see much of an improvement. I think the best game we played this season was the first game. Beyond that, it's been a disappointment. The Texans are just as young as we are, average age is only a couple months higher. The difference? QB and a playmaker on offense. Well, they have a better Defense or at least it appeared so. Maybe it's out Offense that makes them appear better.. All I know is this team isn't right yet. Most def just the fact our offense is horrible. Its not the def when the ball is thrown right into their hands.
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I saw DeJa Vu. and a Brown's team that desperately needs a veteran QB on the roster.
Colin is available. He's better than nearly all of the QB's we've had since '99. IMO It's panic time for the FO and Hue. Drastic measures need to be taken right now. If not it's just Browns biz as usual, more losing to come. More first rd draft picks to trade down. Coaching regimes to change.
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I saw DeJa Vu. and a Brown's team that desperately needs a veteran QB on the roster.
Colin is available. He's better than nearly all of the QB's we've had since '99. IMO It's panic time for the FO and Hue. Drastic measures need to be taken right now. If not it's just Browns biz as usual, more losing to come. More first rd draft picks to trade down. Coaching regimes to change. Don't get your hopes up on that - I don't see too many QBs let alone one as sub par as Colin having success here.
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1. Hue needs to be forced to hire an OC. He can then focus on working with Kizer. If he refuses, hand it over to Williams to finish out the year. I don't want to lose Williams.. our defense looks improved and I think (or hope) that he is playing with the cards he was dealt in the soft coverage. I think if he can add a couple more pieces in the back end, you will see things get more aggressive.. at least that was his MO when he came here. 2. We need to get someone in there ( create a new position if you have too) with power to override Shashi and Co with the draft. We are good at creating power struggles.. at least we are good at something. I do tend to agree with you, I don't mind Sashi and Co being involved and having input, but they should not be the guy writing the name or agreeing to the deal... there needs to be one person in between them and the pad of paper on draft day. If we don't get it right this year.. but folks are really going to go back over the last 3 years, some people already are, and show the team we could have had.. and it's going to make me sick to my stomach.
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What I saw was unwatchable football.
Having the team drive down the field without penalties, turnovers and mistakes seems like an impossible task.
The only scoring threat is Duke Johnson.
Crowell lacks vision. Many times there were cut back lanes wide open and he runs into the backs of blockers.
The obvious is quarterback play. Horrendous.
Defense. I actually saw Shelton pull back from the LOS and drop into zone coverage??
Coverage? what coverage? The middle of the field is exposed constantly.
Poor Joe. Truly feel for the guy. I couldn't take this if I were him.
Danny Vitale has a roster spot why?
The sixth game of the year and they still commit delay of game penalties in the red zone?
Hard to swallow watching a team like the Browns. I mean you want to cheer. You want to be excited. And nothing happens. You are never really in the game.
At this point I would leave Kizer play; good, bad or ugly.
See how he handles it and whether he improves or not.
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What I saw was unwatchable football.
Having the team drive down the field without penalties, turnovers and mistakes seems like an impossible task.
The only scoring threat is Duke Johnson.
Crowell lacks vision. Many times there were cut back lanes wide open and he runs into the backs of blockers.
The obvious is quarterback play. Horrendous.
Defense. I actually saw Shelton pull back from the LOS and drop into zone coverage??
Coverage? what coverage? The middle of the field is exposed constantly.
Poor Joe. Truly feel for the guy. I couldn't take this if I were him.
Danny Vitale has a roster spot why?
The sixth game of the year and they still commit delay of game penalties in the red zone?
Hard to swallow watching a team like the Browns. I mean you want to cheer. You want to be excited. And nothing happens. You are never really in the game.
At this point I would leave Kizer play; good, bad or ugly.
See how he handles it and whether he improves or not.
Agree with everything you said, especially Crow. The most overrated player we have on this team, IMO. I want to see Dayes get some playing time, where has he been??
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We have seen Sashi work some intriguing things, deal wise. Let him have that handle, but if it involves a player - a football mind needs to write off on it. JMO
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I saw DeJa Vu. and a Brown's team that desperately needs a veteran QB on the roster.
Colin is available. He's better than nearly all of the QB's we've had since '99. IMO It's panic time for the FO and Hue. Drastic measures need to be taken right now. If not it's just Browns biz as usual, more losing to come. More first rd draft picks to trade down. Coaching regimes to change. He filed a collusion suit against the owner. His career is over.
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I do not mind seeing Kizer sit a game or two or three. It may help slow the game down a little when he does go back in. If he plays the last 8 games, that should help make a decision on him. I do not want to give up on him too early.
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#2...so you are talking about Payton 
Saw a lot of the same real happy about our OL n DL
I like Williams as our WR
Im up in the air with what all see of Peppers. We need cover corners so we dont get burnt deep...boom 6 points.
I was expecting a monster back position made for him. I might come home tomorrow, easier for me to type.
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The sixth game of the year and they still commit delay of game penalties in the red zone? That one ticked me off.. it was 3rd and 1. We ran a simple play to run for 2 yards and get the first down inside the 20... there were no WRs 50 yards downfield, there was no drama or decision to be made, it was 1st and 10 from the 18 or something like that... and we got a delay of game penalty. I don't know, maybe Hue was in shock that we actually picked up the 1st down on 3rd and 1.. he had already summoned the FG unit and had to call them back and threw him out of whack with calling the next play.. I don't know what happened but that's just inexcusable..
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Hogan had a very bad game, but he has played better ball than kizer since preseason. Stick with Hogan until the bye.
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Hue is also responsible for global warming and widespread poverty.
On the other hand, the FO is building the team the "right way" and they "get it."
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We are young (thus the college team comment)that I hoped would improve, but through 6 games, I don't see much of an improvement. I think the best game we played this season was the first game. Beyond that, it's been a disappointment. The Texans are just as young as we are, average age is only a couple months higher. The difference? QB and a playmaker on offense. And the best defense in the NFL when healthy. Goes to show you that the young excuse is not really cutting it huh? and BTW that def was not healthy yesterday and they still basically blanked our horrid QB. Yeah, they're still a top 5 defense though. Again, I'd like to see it further broken down and include offensive and defensive average ages.
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j/c...
I saw Danny Shelton do a celebratory dance while being down by 21 points.
I saw Texan Jonathan Joseph have as many receptions from Kevin Hogan as any Browns player had at halftime.
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j/c...
I saw Danny Shelton do a celebratory dance while being down by 21 points.
I saw Texan Jonathan Joseph have as many receptions from Kevin Hogan as any Browns player had at halftime. I made that comment in game thread, annoyed to no end, I hate that. Then the next play after that they give up a 14 yard run
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I don't see too many QBs let alone one as sub par as Colin having success here. Including the rookie QB's we have. So what's the risk?
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j/c...
I saw Danny Shelton do a celebratory dance while being down by 21 points.
I saw Texan Jonathan Joseph have as many receptions from Kevin Hogan as any Browns player had at halftime. Hey, the guy was open.
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I don't see too many QBs let alone one as sub par as Colin having success here. Including the rookie QB's we have. So what's the risk? Other than losing fans? ... nothing ...
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I saw a team that has not one NFL caliber QB on the roster. Not "potentially" a starter, a true bonafide starter.
It baffles me how one team can continually pass on top tier QBs year after year.
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What I saw.
God awful football.
Another INT in the redzone. this time of the pick 6 variety.
Pass attempts Andre the Giant could not come down with.
I saw a 3rd and 2 play result in a 2 yard loss.ugh
Opponents TE's continue to dominate all day long.
Myles Garrett looks like the real deal.
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