DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 17 Texans 33 What I saw game 6

We aren't going anywhere, so let Kizer play, we need to know if he's good for next year

Try to develop the talent, improve.

We have been regressing since the post-season.

MG is the real deal, so try to build upon that.

Peppers can't play safety, so pelase stop it.

A few things that I saw:

- either Colquitt was outkicking our punt coverage or wasn't getting the height, but our coverage was poor.
- run defence was again generally very good.
- how come our TE's are virtually ignored? Only 4 completions for 9 yards...unacceptable.
- Watson didn't particularly impress me. Merely OK.
- teams will have to game plan for Garrett.

I saw the Browns only competitive 25% of the game.

3-0 3-3, 10-3, 16, ... 24-3 at halftime. 30 something to 3 at the start of the 4th.

I listened on the radio. When Duke touched the ball he produced. I guess that is why Hue only gave it to him a few times.

Hue isn't an offensive genius by no stretch.

Bingo, Mutt.

This staff doesn't put forth a plan to make this crew successful by any means.

And we're undisciplined.

I saw two teams with nearly identical average starting player ages (graphic was shown on CBS during the game) play each other and the team with the better QB pounded the team with the inferior QB.

I saw what I expected really, a superior football team beating up on a crap team.

Watson looked great, could've had him and those balls by Hogan deflated any excitement I had about him.

I saw a team I'm done with pretty much until offseason/next season.

So we've seen enough of Hogan already?

Generally speaking, I don't think people get the reason for the What I Saw thread, which is unfortunate.

The qb of the future is not on the roster. For those of you who are obsessed with kizer for whatever strange reason please go back and watch his colloge games from last year. You won't see much of a difference, except that he was NOT playing against NFL teams. He will never be a pro bowl caliber qb.

We need a new QB, coach, and front office. They all suck.

Just be real.

I think it could be A LOT worse then this.

We could need a new owner.

If I'm right, it means no Super Bowls for most of the rest of our life times. Possibly ever.*

* - the NFL may not have an eternal life.

How about owner? That's the underlying issue. He's a bumbling rube when it comes to NFL ownership or as he says, "stewards of the Cleveland Browns".

Just on this. Is Kessler the only guy that can win games for us, or is he the only guy of the 3 that won't lose games for us. QB play with all these killer Inhterceptions have decimated us.

I'm not advocating a Kessler start just yet, but what he gives us in ball protection and the underneath dink and dunk and hoping the D can win us a game is looking pretty appealing right now lol

There's a report out that the Browns have started reaching out to find a football executive.

I saw pathetic offensive football. I saw a defense that showed up and played fairly well, trying to keep us in it as long as they could. I also probably saw my next to last game.

Maybe we saw 2 different games. Trying to keep us in it?

We got schooled by Houston, don't sugar coat it.

They didn't score more because they didn't need it.

Yeah Cody Kessler has had do many qb deprived teams wanting to trade for him cause he's a winner

If you accept losing at the top, then you accept losing all the way down.

The End.

I think that now that we all know we are the worst team of the NFL, the improvement cab begin, and the FO and Coaches can make this season worth it.

But if we go backk to Kessler, because he is the best chance we have to win. I'll call it quits with this FO and coaches.

The same if we keep passing on unique talent to pile up bodies...

I saw a team that's in utter disarray. There are no building blocks or the laying of a foundation, this team is getting worse with each week. The Browns were floundering aimlessly with no sense of direction. They had no answers on either side of the ball and got blown out against a mediocre team decimated by injuries.

Schobert is a non factor in the game's I have watched .. We don't have a #1 Cb and the rest are barley average . Safety will a topic of discussion going into the draft ..

Need a QB , two or three wide outs , and you had better start looking for a Left Tackle soon ..

Who do we have that you can trust with talent evaluation's ??

You know an OC will added ( if Hue survives ) ..

What kind of speech will the Haslam's make at the end of the season ( and then go in hiding )

Is it his 0-8 record as a starter that gives you that confidence? We don't have a QB on the roster.

Manziel is the Browns winningest QB since 2015. That's utterly ridiculous.

If true, then another reboot is coming.

quote above by Milk Man:

Maybe he'd like to come back. Johnny football with the Ryan's. Now there's a parlay!!!

Another reboot...especially in the front office...is necessary. Draft picks can no longer be wasted by these know nothing buffoons. Enough already.

Guy even the CFL don't want. We're behind pathetic in pretty much each aspect of building and picking the players in order to do that.

Have been for years, appears to be to our concrete future.

Here is what we have:
On offense:
A very good left tackle
A pretty good left guard
A decent C
A talented TE (I like Njoku)

We do not have any QB, RB (Duke is replaceable), or WR

On defense we have:

A great pass rusher (Garrett).

We have nothing else on defense.

I think our defensive front 7 is playing pretty well right now. I think our defensive secondary is an atrocity to the NFL, despite McCourty, BBC, and Kindred trying to be good players.

I will try to stick w/"What I Saw" and not get caught up in the other crap, but it's kinda hard when people say stuff like "is Kessler the only guy who can win," considering he is 0 and 8 as a starter. LOL

What I Saw:

--Myles Garrett is a stud. He is by far our best defensive player. He is already drawing double teams. He gets pressure on almost every rush. We need others to get some penetration when Myles forces the qb to step up in the pocket. He also plays the run very well and shows good discipline. He was winded. That's understandable because he probably couldn't condition w/the high ankle sprain.....but, I think we finally drafted a true stud who will be a real star in the NFL.

--Hogan got rid of the ball on time early on, but his accuracy went to hell after he got picked a couple of times. It was ugly.

--I am very disappointed in Zeitler, the OG we paid huge money to in FA. He is really slow in pass protection. He is slow to get out of his stance.

--Crow and Duke both made several good runs. We're okay at RB.

--I don't like Louis, but he is looking better the past two weeks.

--Williams [is that his name?] the WR we got after Seattle cut him showed some promise.

--We have a good punter.

--Our DL, other than Garrett, was disappointing. Shelton had a couple of good plays, but they don't generate much pressure.

--Kirksey flashed at times.

--Our safeties suck in coverage.

--I don't like our defensive scheme. Too easy to hit the TE in the seam. I wonder if we play it out of necessity because both of our safeties suck so bad in coverage.

--I didn't like Peppers in college and he has done nothing to change that point of view. He's way overrated. I am surprised he is not making more flash plays, though. And I am even more surprised he isn't looking better on returns. I thought he would excel in those 3 areas.

--I think Houston could have scored more and took their foot off the pedal.

it seemed like there were times that our D wasn't set and they hit the TE easily ... like 4/5 times for gashing yards

Kessler blows, too early to write off either hogan or Kizer.
If you think Kessler is our best option.... sorry don't see it.

They're all our best option because it surely looks like us getting the #1 overall pick is, again, our only win of the season and all our QBs can get us there it seems.

This sums up my feelings as well since the end of the 1st quarter. I'm not even mad anymore. I think my plan for the next 2 games is to DVR them, wait until I see the results before I go and watch it. I really am trying to hold onto this season seeing as the wife got me Ravens tickets in December.

But what I saw:

-Myles is legit.

-I do think the defensive effort was there for the most part, but schematically they need to tighten up something fierce. The TE's and short stuff are killing us. It's not like they are running short stick routes for a few yards.. these guys are getting hit in stride and getting tons of YAC.

-Duke needs to be our #1, 3 down back. period. Crow has yet to make any "plays". Duke not only has that big play ability, but he's this offense's most consistent weapon.

-I saw sloppy route running that tipped off Joseph as to when to break on the ball for 2 INT's.

-Obviously issues with over throws

-I didn't see anything that resembled the Hogan we've seen previously, instead I saw a QB who had been getting the ball out quickly become Kizer 2.0 and hold it forever.

-Pass blocking was pretty good today


I know there's always debate about who we did or didn't draft, who we should or shouldn't have, what QB has or doesn't have the ability or skills... but why is it so damn hard to get a QB behind center who plays like someone who not only believes they can win, but expects to win?

It's pretty hard to summon up the effort to comment after such a disappointing performance. On offense we looked as bad and as clueless as any time since 1999. With that said

- I saw a QB we passed on look really good in his 3rd start. Sure not many wanted him on this board - but it still hurts. I *heard* how it sounded like Watson thought Hue wanted him ... but we traded down and that hurts even more.

- Garrett looks like he will possibly be as good as advertised.

- I have no idea what our coverage is and why TE's are so routinely wide wide open. Or what Peppers is doing because he just looks awkward back there so deep.

- We finally seemed to commit to the running game .... seems odd to me to wait until your Rookie QB is not starting to finally commit to the run game.

- I saw a passing attack that seemed to be called to highlight all the areas of weakness the team has. Speed/separation from the WR and lack of deep ball accuracy from the QB.

- I don't remember seeing any designed roll outs or QB runs - part of what I thought was Hogan's strength.

- Again no crossing patterns or slants and the only screen was an awful play to the TE that went for a loss. . . . Again I saw a ton of hook routes that the CB's seem to be completely sitting on.

- I saw us under utilize the only dynamic play-maker we have on O - Duke again playing 2nd fiddle to Crow

- I saw a team without JJ Watt and Whitney totally blank us.

I'm actually with eo on this... Kessler would give us the best chance at winning not because he can win but because he won't lose the game. Kessler could start the next 10 games and he wouldn't throw as many interceptions we have already thrown.

I see a dire need for some legitimate quarterback play.

Turnovers are a killer. Pick 6?

I wouldn't throw in the towel on Hogan. First start and one bad game, but man did he overthrow a lot.

I think with decent QB play we would win games. The WR aren't as bad as people make them out to be, just we have no one who can get them the ball.

J/C

Tab, I believe we scored 7 on a pick 6 by McCourtney, and I believe Hogan throw a short pass to Devalve in garbage time late in game.

My .02

Njoku has been really showing some spark, and then all of sudden we go away from him. INSANE to me.

Duke is our best playmaker - and we only give him 5 touches it seems

Treggs is out best route runner and Kasen Williams is our most atheletic WR - these two need to be on the field more.

Sammy Coates made an appearance - He actually ran a good curl route and Hogan him in anticipation. It was a rare site, but I want to see him going deep with his speed.

Hogan - He played like I have been saying since last year. Coming in during garbage time and starting are two different animals. He was pressured and folded. Houstan prepared for him, and it showed. He was inaccurate and has a noodle arm. He may be more advanced in his development than Kizer, but his development is at its peak IMO. I do not see him getting any better. Might as well give the ball to Kizer again. At least he may improve. Those picks were pretty bad throws, and there could have been a few more on some of those. Yao Ming isn't tall enough to catch his throws.

Myles - Looks like he is the real deal. He was very disruptive and was setting the edge. Finally a pick that looks like it was worth the salt.

Announcers on Watson - I heard them talk about Hue texting him that we were going to draft him. Looks like Sashi and Co. got their panties bulging when they seen a 1st rounder offered. WHAT A HORRIBLE MISTAKE! To think we could have best Def player in the draft (Myles) the best QB (Watson) and probably still have got Njoku. We would be the ones sitting at the top of the division I think.

I am not for turning this over again. I think some tweaks need to be made.

1. Hue needs to be forced to hire an OC. He can then focus on working with Kizer. If he refuses, hand it over to Williams to finish out the year.

2. We need to get someone in there ( create a new position if you have too) with power to override Shashi and Co with the draft. We need a football guy. Someone who understands that you will not WIN with out a LEGIT QB. I am very afraid going into next year with #1 and then say 15-25 (Houston pick) that we will once again pass on a QB and trade down.