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I live in the Toledo area where's just as many Lions fans as there are Browns. These idiots are talking Super Bowl for the Lions this year. Jon Kitna is average at best. Their secret weapon is not even a player, it's their OC Mike Martz.

If they go 8-8, they could make the playoffs since the NFC and their division is weak.

Calvin Johnson will make a difference this year for them but Millen needs to get an o-line that can block and someone other than God boy to at QB. Then we'll talk.

I can see Detroit doubling their win total...

Calvin Johnson is certainly a physical specimen.

im mad he didnt get the 15million a year deal that he wanted

me too... that's a lot of bashing of Millen that we've lost (not that we've ever needed a reason for that). It also would have put them in Cap Hell pretty quickly, so what few decent players they do have would have been on the free agent market pretty quickly.

Contracts can have so many things in them. For example if he makes the pro-bowl instead of his salary the next year being 1.7 million it would be 2.7 million plus 1 mil bonus for the pro-bowl. So there your adding 2 million to the total worth that he might not ever see. Purely for example only of the types of things that can escalate the total number.

If he doesnt make the pro-bowl then he doesnt get the increase.
Sometimes its appealing, but if your contract just has solid numbers without all that junk its a better deal. Small bonuses are fine as long as your concrete numbers are nice.

The Cardinals are idiots. Rod Graves can't negotiate rookie contracts for crap. Look at both Fitzgerald's contract, and this one. They gave more money then they needed to.

Yeah, but it's not even real money unless the guy hits his escalators.
Until then, it's just a bogus number that the agent can go to prospective clients with and say "I got this guy xx.xxMillion... that's more than the guy ahead of him".... meanwhile, the player will never see that amount.

If I remember correctly, Thomas got somewhere between 22-23 mil in guarantees. Brown got 18 mil.

I was talking guaranteed money PPE. Brown got almost as much as Gaines did.

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3 Cleveland: Thomas, Joe OT 6yrs (voidable after 5 years) $42.5M. $22/23M.
4 Tampa Bay: Adams, Gaines DE 6 years $46M. $18.56M.
5 Arizona: Brown, Levi OT - 6yrs, maximum value of $63 million 18 mil guaranteed ?
6 Washington: Landry, LaRon FS ???
7 Minnesota: Peterson, Adrian RB Peterson signed a five-year, $40.5 million deal with $17 million in guaranteed money

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Big C, looking at these numbers what do you think would have been the right amount?

So Pdawg, let me understand,,, Brown, picked in the draft AFTER Thomas gets a contract generally speaking, worth more than Thomas... but Thomas gets more guaranteed! Right.. Thomas also can get free after 5 years whereas it appears that Brown is stuck for 6 no matter what?

Do I have that all right?

well, I don't know about the rest of you,, but given the nature of the Pro Football business,, I'm taking the more guaranteed money.. heck, your career could end tomorrow in this game,,, Better take the bird in hand,,, No?

I think I have demonstrated a lack of knowledge on this subject already. I do agree with your assesment. As far as I understand it, guaranteed is guaranteed. All these extra incentives are things he may never meet.

Later in a career, guaranteed is the best no doubt.

Out of the gate, I am not so sure as long as a good potion is..

It is like investments..the younger you are, you can expose yourself to more risk.

At the early stage of a career, the bigger total value might be the way to go...as long as the guaranteed portion is solid....and 18 is pretty solid.

Yeah, I see what you mean.., But given the very nature of the beast,,, that being that a player can have happen to them what Happened to LCB last year and his career could be over... so Green is green.. I would think that even a young player is better off with the Higher Guarantee and the lesser annual number.,,,, but that's just me maybe..

I fully understand that for a veteran in his second or third contract. I just don't think it holds the same for a rookie in his first.

He has 18mil in the bank no matter what....no too bad...unless he totally blows, the team isn't going to cut him out of that first contract.

If there is ever a contract that is guaranteed, it is a high round picks first contract. The investment of the high pick almost dictates a team sticks with the guy for the duration.

http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/10281952

Panthers rookie LB Beason ends holdout, to be at camp Monday


Aug. 5, 2007
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports


CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Carolina Panthers rookie Jon Beason ended his eight-day holdout Sunday when he signed a five-year contract that includes more than $6 million in guaranteed money.

Agent Michael Huyghue said Beason, the 25th pick in the draft, will get a $3.2 million signing bonus to make up for the lack of a second-year option bonus, which was the main stumbling block in the negotiations.

Beason, a linebacker from Miami, was expected to travel to Spartanburg, S.C., and practice for the first time Monday morning when the team resumes training camp.

After a stalemate over how guaranteed money would be distributed, the two sides had stopped talking early last week as Beason missed the start of camp. But talks resumed Friday.

Beason and Huyghue flew to Charlotte late Saturday night. The contract was signed after a brief meeting at Bank of America Stadium on Sunday morning, ending the dispute that caused Beason to miss 12 practices.

Beason's eight-day holdout was the third-longest in team history. Running back Tshimanga Biakabutuka sat out 27 days in 1996 and defensive end Jason Peter had a 44-day holdout two years later.

Peter's dispute was over the Panthers' refusal to give him a contract with voidable years, which would have allowed Peter to get out of the contract early and become a free agent if he met certain incentives.

Huyghue said the Panthers drew a similar line on a second-year option bonus after a judge ruled in the spring that that type of bonus was not recoverable if the player defaulted on the contract.

But Huyghue said he was particularly upset because he claimed chief negotiator Rob Rogers initially offered a contract structure with a second-year option bonus, only to yank the offer off the table 24 hours later.

Many teams gave first-round picks option bonuses despite the ruling. But a handful did not, and multiple reports said No. 2 overall pick Calvin Johnson of the Detroit Lions did not get an option bonus. Johnson's signing late last week might have jump-started talks.

Huyghue said the money is made up with the large signing bonus and escalates starting in the second year of the deal. Beason also will get another signing bonus in the third year of the deal.

The 6-foot, 237-pound Beason will have plenty of catching up to do when he hits the practice field Monday morning. The speedy Beason was expected to unseat veteran starter Na'il Diggs at outside linebacker, or start at middle linebacker if Dan Morgan can't return from multiple concussions.

Diggs injured his right hamstring in practice last week, and second-year pro James Anderson had replaced him. Morgan has practiced every day, but has been held out of most contact drills.

Beason will have five days of practice before Carolina plays its first preseason game Saturday at the New York Giants.

AP NEWS
The Associated Press News Service

Chiefs | Bowe signed
Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:24:37 -0700 KFFL.com

Jason King, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs have signed first-round draft choice WR Dwayne Bowe to a five-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.

And then there were 4.


#1 Jamarcus Russell, QB, Oak
#14 Darell Revis, CB, NYJets
#22 Brady Quinn, QB, Clevaland
#25 Jon Beason, OLB, Car

Actually there are now 3 Beason Signed
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2962009

From the link above....

"CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Carolina Panthers rookie Jon Beason ended his eight-day holdout Sunday when he signed a five-year contract that includes more than $6 million in guaranteed money.

Agent Michael Huyghue said Beason, the 25th pick in the draft, will get a $3.2 million signing bonus to make up for the lack of a second-year option bonus, which was the main stumbling block in the negotiations."


There is more. It's posted in another thread.

So now there's 3 and both the QBs are still unsigned.

#1 Jamarcus Russell, QB, Oak
#14 Darell Revis, CB, NYJets
#22 Brady Quinn, QB, Clevaland

How bout the most important of them all. . . .

QUINN SIGNS.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php?...0&fpart=all

Just had to bump it.

thanks for the bump.. u could have atleast updated the list and put how much its worth along with all the others who signed.. lol.. just teasin..

Now only two holdouts left.

#1 Jamarcus Russell, QB, Oak
#14 Darell Revis, CB, NYJets

I can see Revis signing very soon. Sometime before Saturday for sure. Russell on the other hand? I'm not so sure.

Well if you read that one article about the Russell holdout I would do the very same.

The main points are the Raiders really don't want to negotiate (My way or highway)...they don't want to put a cut clause in it ( if Russell gets cut he would still get his guaranteed)....etc

This could be the longest rookie holdout in the past 10 years....may even set a record...

the record is Bo Jackson getting redrafted... I don't think it will hold out that long. there is a trade deadline. I think that if he doesn't sign by then the raiders would trade him way... JMHO

BO had other motives and other things to fall back on.

Russell and company have to be insane to think they are going to get something special or out of the ordinary with this contract.

ok? I just was tellin loki what the record was and my thoughts about what will happen... Russel isn't playing hardball as much as OAK is IMHO

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2976504

Jets reach agreement with first-round draft pick Revis
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
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Updated: August 15, 2007, 7:50 PM ET
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A marathon Tuesday night session that included intense negotiations, and a little noshing, finally concluded in a Wednesday evening agreement between the New York Jets and first-round draft choice Darrelle Revis.


The University of Pittsburgh cornerback, who was the 14th player chosen overall in April, missed 21 days of training camp and 23 practice sessions. The Jets had hoped to have the deal completed in time for their Wednesday afternoon practice, but fell short of that goal.


Details of the contract were not immediately available.


Not since linebacker James Farrior in 1997 had the Jets had an unsigned draft pick going into training camp. Revis' holdout is the longest for the franchise since wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, the top overall selection in the 1996 draft, missed 24 days while his first NFL contract was being hammered out.


The agreement means that just one player, first overall selection JaMarcus Russell, remains unsigned. The former LSU quarterback is not believed to be close to an agreement with the Oakland Raiders.


Stalled over the length of the contract, with the Jets holding firm to a six-year proposal and Revis and agents Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod preferring a five-year term, the two sides began substantive discussions last Friday. That led to day-long bargaining which began Tuesday morning and stretched into the wee hours of Wednesday.


Much of Wednesday was then spent fine-tuning the contract and reviewing it.


At one point Tuesday, as they neared a breakthrough on some key issues, the parties sent for take-out dinner from a local restaurant so that they could continue negotiations on full stomachs. Coach Eric Mangini spent part of the evening visiting with Revis' mother, who flew in from her home near Pittsburgh to help hasten the bargaining process.


The two camps issued a joint statement on Tuesday evening, acknowledging that a deal was close, but that it remained a complicated arrangement. Discussions broke after midnight on Wednesday, then resumed a few hours later.


General manager Mike Tannenbaum suggested the complexity of the contract document, which is believed to be about 50 pages, demanded close review from all parties involved.


Revis was the first cornerback chosen in the draft and was expected to compete seriously for a starting job as a rookie, probably on the right side. How much his prolonged absence from training camp will affect his chances to land a starting spot, as he competes with veterans Andre Dyson, David Barrett and Justin Miller remains to be seen.


In 35 games at Pitt, including 34 starts, Revis, 22, developed into one of the country's best coverage cornerbacks. He registered 129 tackles, 5½ tackles for loss, eight interceptions, 25 passes defensed, one forced fumble and two recoveries. Revis also averaged 10.3 yards on 54 punt returns and scored twice on runbacks.


He is regarded as having prototype size (5-feet-11½, 204 pounds) and top-end speed (4.38 seconds in the 40), and is blessed with superb overall athleticism. The nephew of former NFL defensive tackle Sean Gilbert, Revis is an instinctive player who has great body control and explosive burst to the ball.


Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

Not even in the Top 10 and just now signing?

Disgusting. I hope after they brought his mom in to help with the contract that she belted him upside the head.

Until proven otherwise, I think we got the better CB

And at the price? Priceless!