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Yeah, I agree..........Just so you know, I wasn't trying to argue w/you. Just making a general comment.

No amount of game planning and play calling can get you over QBs who can't throw the ball and receivers who consistently fail to get open or catch the ball when they do.

I'd have to look at film, but I don't think teams have been stacking the box as much this year. But yes, if they were, and you can find a lane, it would open up the middle.

I know. I thought it was a good point that we did run more this past week. It was effective, IMHO.

I just have to say that I love that the guy who wanted Hogan to start the most of anyone has gone radio silent on the subject since the Texans game.

He’s a good dude ... give him a break .. he’ll be back to face the music ... besides, he still may be drunk or hungover ... *L* ...

Beside, he was far from the only Hogan advocate. There were very few detractors after game five.

What's the point of this other to bash the guy?

What about all the guys who were talking about how we would win 6, 8, or even more games this year? We could go on forever and forever w/this.

Heck, we could identify the poster who made fun of anyone who thought we would play a Mike and who insisted over and over and over that our Mike would only play 5% of the snaps. You feeling me? LOL

I don't think it's fair to single out 101.

I was pretty clear I wanted Hogan to have a shot at starting. I'm not sure if you're referring to me or not. I still think it was good to let Hogan start and it would be good to see him start a second game. I say that knowing full well he stunk it up against Houston.

I think he should get more than one game the same way Kizer did. I mean hell it was his first full game in the NFL and we have seen him play way better. I think he just put too much pressure on himself and it messed him up mentally to the point his technique regressed. There is no other reason I can think of as to why he would suddenly start throwing so bad.

I mean it's not like Kizer will do much better so I'd like to see if Hogan can improve with another week of practice with the ones. If he still sucks it up then give it back to Kizer with the understanding that we will probably draft #1 or #2 in the draft and this draft better yield some offensive weapons for a change.

We could make fun of Akron Joe and his Hillis/Ham sandwich cracks....oh, wait, he turned out to be right.

Oh no he didn't Hillis was a nice steak sandwich, not a cheap ham sandwich.

hoowee!!!!

ok I can say Hogan played the exact opposite of what he has been showing.

omg that was painful to watch and swallow.

I do still want to see a few more games with him, and see if he overcomes that game or folds.

was in my closet the last few days drinking beer with the door shut.

I am glad he is starting again this week. Colin Kaep. is better than we have seen so far in a full game this year...and that ain't saying much.

id take cody about now...he can find a reciever and on time..kessler is accurate at least

I still want to see more or Hogan...although that last game was painful as hell to watch.

I have seen him look tons better...let's find out who Hogan really is.

I think I want to see him play at least 3 or 4 more games if not more. He has played better and it showed. except for that last game.

I agree with you. Kizer needs to sit awhile longer. Give hogan a home game and another week of practice. We've seen him play well. Kizer isn't ready and him sitting just one week is almost nothing.

Sitting Kizer for one week does mean nothing. How much can he learn in one week. he will not have some magical mental break through.

through five games Kizer only got worse.

it is next to impossible for Hogan to be worse than what I saw last sunday.

and the Titans are a beatable team for us this week imo...then again I thought we should be 3-3 at this point in the season.

Cody is career backup at best. There is a reason he wears street clothes on Sundays.

Is it no longer okay to make jokes?




That was me and I have said I was wrong on several occasions (I also think us playing three linebackers all the time is part of the reason we can't stop anybody from passing).

and hogan is not a backup?

I think we need to see more of Hogan before we label him a career back-up status.

can I be both drunk and hungover at the same time? lol...I think that's where I am at.

I AGREE ... problem is right now Kizer and Hogan are playing like career stock boys ... right now the other two don’t remotely resemble NFL qb’s of any level ... so playing like a career back up at best would be an upgrade ...

Seriously, IF it could be worse ... how much worse would that be ... i mean does it really get any more unwatchable?

Browns fans would just call that continuity. Keep drinking until it gets better. Hogan should get another half at least. Hedll, Kizer got five stinkers. Bring back Hoyer.

I know that most of the posters on this board hated the guy, but we should have started Brock this year.

I am not sure who is responsible for cutting him {Hue or Sashi} but whomever it was made a very stupid move.

We would still suck, but we might be able to at least develop other players. The current QB position is the worst in the league That is saying something because there are some bad situations out there.

I've brought this up a few times and most keep ignoring it, but how smart was it to have 3 QBs on the roster who have never won an NFL game? Combine that w/the fact that you are young and inexperienced almost everywhere else and what else would you expect to happen?

Oh yeah, "the play calling is stupid."

I agree we should have kept Brock and I believe I said that in a post during preseason. I know Brock wasn't playing well but he did have experience and could have mentored our young QB's. Also, he would have taken the lumps on a bad team instead of getting DK hurt or ruin his confidence. Not to mention we were paying him anyway. We need a real football guy to make these decisions.

can you believe we were 5-3 or so with hoyer?

7-3

We also were running Shannahan's offense that utilizes roll outs bootlegs and play action.

I think I have seen 3-4 play action plays this season from the Browns.
The best OC we have had since '99 and he coudn't get out of here fast enough.

#factoryofsaddness

id take 3-7 right now...lol

im pro kessler. he knows the offense and throws the britt ball he likes

i think hue is scared to go with kessler because the team likes him as a leader. like people will start to take sides and make the locker room decisive.

we were hoping for more from kizer. cody looked better his first year...weak arm but could dink and dunk with the best

Yep, that's it.

HUH?????

BO STUNK ... HE STINIKS ...

No one was harder on him than me ...

I thought cutting him was dumber than cutting Haden and Grecco ... and i think BO’s worse at QB than they were at there positions ....

As bad as he is .. BO should have been our starter ... to me, the choice should have been BO, CK or Hogan .... Kizer should not have even been an option ... BO played less bad then the other two IMO ...

The key to me is who is responsible for that decision ... and as u pointed out we don’t know whose decision that was ...

Its become appearant since then that Sashi gets final say over the 53 with what happend with Haden and Grecco and the reaction by Hue ... HOPEFULLY Sashi took Hues input on that .. but WHO KNOWS ...

This is a real mess .. and once again u have to wonder what the hell Haslam did ..

What kind of a structure did he create here .. it seems to be a really DUMB ASS STRUCTURE to have a lawyer being the ultimate decision maker on personal decisions ....

Thats just RETARDED ... it makes NO SENSE ...

Grrrrrr ... HASLAM SUCKS ASS!!!!!!!!!

Well, we agree on something. And in this case, it sucks that we do because it don't look good for the Browns.

I did have a thought that is really scary. What if Sashi and Hue are actually in agreement on moves such as cutting BO, going w/3 qbs who haven't won an NFL game, starting Kizer, then benching him, then thinking of starting him a game later, etc?

the funny thing is we are paying BO almost 900,000 a week to play somewhere else...we are that bad

I agree on BO my friend ... and in hindsight u could be right about McCown ... but damm tabber .... HE AIN’T MUCH BETTER than BO ...