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This statement is simply not true. There are plenty of people in the building with tons of talent experience. Plenty! Whether they are doing a good or bad job is more of the question, but talent evaluators are in Berea.

mac, do you have any idea how the scouting department is set up? I have to believe they've at least got a staff of capable and experienced scouts out in the field working for them. I'm wondering who they are and what their experience level is.

Browns letting six scouts go less than three weeks before the draft
Posted by Darin Gantt on April 8, 2016, 12:07 PM EDT

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Yeah, I remember that mass firing and their "new approach". I can't say the new approach isn't working yet, I'll want to see how the draft picks turn out. And the scouting was likely finished before the firings. It would be more telling during this year's draft. I know the 2016 draft looks a little suspect, but that can be attributed in a large part to their desire for more picks and not having a full year to prepare. Even so, I have to wonder about the draft board put together then, and who did it.

The 2017 draft still looks like it could be a good one, even if Kizer is a bust, with Garrett, Njoku, Larry O, Brantley and potentially Peppers. Wilson & Johnson, who knows? Dayes, meh... so far, and Gonzalez, well, he needs to his improve on consistency but could end up being "the guy".

I think the FO outsmarts itself at times.

This is just a small example, but it seems like we do this quite a bit.

We take Myles at number 1. Excellent move that made a ton of sense.

Things fall almost perfectly for us and we have our choice of either Watson or Hooker. A qb--which we needed and a FS---which we needed. So, what do we do? We trade the pick.

We then follow that trade by choosing a freaking SS [which we don't need] and then trade up for a TE [and later cut Barnidge.

I find moves like these disappointing and they make me wonder what in the hell are they thinking???????

The only reason they are saying the Browns are worse today than last year is because of the wins vs losses on gameday.


If there is one person who is most responsible for team performance on gameday who is it?

That's to the above article ^.

To the thread topic.

The front office, did sign McCourty, Calvin Pryor, re-upped Kirksey, brought in Zeitler for 12 mill a year, brought in Trettor.

this front office, (tried to tell us how good Jamie Collins is and signed him big money, a half year earlier.)

this front office has still established more than the given number of draft picks in the upcoming draft.

This front office has did eventually luck into a 2nd round qb to give Hue this year.

This front office did take less than 2 years to set up the youngest roster in the league when the , after some mention of young roster success a couple years ago by some playoff team, so if that was the plan they did that.

This front office atrociously cut Haden, Terrell Pryor, and Barnidge.

This front office did get Britt after Pryor,
( I don't know, maybe that proves their stupidity, but it is an "addressed it".)

This front office, even though I think they were a huge problem on the day they arrived, hasn't given me a lack of hope.

The Browns in the last 2.5 years have also updated the scouting dept, and brought in guys like Al Saunders, who apparently had folks saying good things.
And everybody mostly has good things to say about the current D.Coord.


Hue Jackson has been head coach for 22 games. They've lost 21, they've only been close in 3 of them.



I was fine with Hue Jackson up until the Jets loss, where Josh McCown was the quarterback.

I give up after that.

If Hue Jackson has to be the Head Coach, somebody else needs to be calling the plays.

Something has to change to get a different result on gameday.

I think they had and have some real potential coming off this past offseason and going into this year.

Back to that article. ^ the only reason the last line of that article reads this way
" The Browns are worse today than they were a year ago. From ownership down to coaching there's enough blame to spread around to everyone".


^^ the only reason they say that is because of the losses on gameday ^^

and the only way to change the outcome, or potential for positive outcome on gameday starts with the head coach and who's making decisions during the game.

There's enough of an example to be confident that if they do Nothing,

if they make no changes, which game are they going to win of the next 10?

0-10? they started 2016 with it.

( Can't do it, can't fire Hue, there's nobody else to hand playcalling duties to, besides Hue, and not right to blow up the whole thing).

Who's making excuses. Where does the buck stop.

Man. What in the HECK do the Browns have to do to win a football game.


This thought could be dispelled if someone says it's been the players fault
If it's the players fault of bad play and or lack of effort.
Other than a lot of penalties, I don't see that argument coming from, anwyehere.

I know that does seem frustrating, Vers, particularly in light of Watson's success. But we did get a first and second round pick in the upcoming draft for dropping down thirteen slots. Obviously Watson wasn't viewed that high by them at the time. I know many on here weren't that enamored with him either, and after the fact viewed that trade as a steal. We'll have to see what those two picks yield this year to fully judge it. I do understand the philosophy that, with the tear down, they need as many high round picks as possible to hope to have any chance at all of rebuilding fairly quickly through the draft.

Re: the Barnidge deal, all I can say is, he hasn't caught on anywhere and Njoku has massive upside. (I was pissed they took him out and put DeValve in for the TD yesterday. I told my wife, they need to go back to the same exact play and try it again. They did and scored, just with Devalve in there instead. Wrong decision, IMO. You have to help the kid build confidence. The miss wasn't his fault, it was a bad pass. He wouldn've caught the second pass just like Devalve did.)

Re: Peppers. I think they liked his athleticism. Jury is still out on how effective he can be. (My wife thinks he's soft and doesn't want to get hit.) But yeah, we need an FS. Maybe this year.

Play better. Make fewer mistakes.

That's really what it is... the Browns have no margin for error.

When Ohio State played Maryland a week ago, before the game they did their "Keys to the game" on what each team needed to do to win.. OSU was basically not give it away and Maryland's was "Play perfect"...

That's about where the Browns are... maybe not perfect but darn close.

We don't have the fire power to get into the red zone and not score points, we just aren't going to be there that many times. We don't have the fire power to overcome a pick-6. Against us it might as well be a pick-21.. that's what it feels like. We don't have the offense to overcome holding calls and offsides calls that put us in long yardage situations... those are almost immediate drive killers...

1. I am not saying there are doing a bad job.
2. You need to have a better understand of who is on staff identifying talent.

And they're off! "It's like deja vu all over again.

DA: "Nothing's funny to me! Nothing!" That must include this. We are waiting to lose each game up until bye week so we can embark on starting to begin to initiate some vigorous self scouting to see what may be wrong with coaches not named ________ and the playbook and whatever else we apparently ignored. Spare me. You have a clear blueprint of what to avoid. Hire a new OC who can throw over the middle and get Peppers up and press on the corners. It's a start. Do some of the stuff that is beating you.

That's not good enough.

If that's the case then that means you are losing the chess game every single time.

Every team that wins didn't play the perfect game, and 16 teams win each week.

If you can't be good enough that you can't come up with a scenario that doesn't involve, " everything has to go perfect, " in order for you even to get a win?

then you need to find someone else.

I MIGHT have some patience with Kizer as a developing rookie QB but I have ZERO with the two guys with 1 year and 10 months experience! Too many high picks to be squandered to make THAT a training ground! Like Kizer are we to say, "They'll develop in a few years". Or, "They just need time". Haslam is an idiot and a desperate sucker.

It's about time you realized that

Smack me right in the middle of the forhead... ...that "GM type individual" is setting at his keyboard, right now!

...I never knew that the GM in GMdawg, stood for "General Manager".

The question becomes, would you take the job?

Sure if Jimmy would just open one of my 20 resumes he threw in the trash

For Browns To Succeed, Haslams Must Avoid Same Old Mistakes

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2017/10/16/for-browns-to-succeed-haslams-must-avoid-same-old-mistakes/

Your Cleveland Browns are 0-6 to start the 2017 season and it’s time for owner Jimmy Haslam to be the leader his organization so sorely needs.

Reports on Sunday stated the Browns have started making overtures to football executives about taking a role in Cleveland. The Browns, unsurprisingly, have denied these reports.

This move isn’t leadership but it is what Cleveland has become accustomed to with Haslam at the helm. A potentially huge decision with far reaching implications that will likely set the Browns back before it can move forward.

Haslam can do something truly outrageous and surprise everyone simply by tinkering with the organization instead of taking a sledge hammer to it like he’s previously done.

Here is my path to success for the Browns to avoid “Same Old Browns” mentality and do the seemingly impossible; cease the dysfunction and cycle of incompetence in Berea.

Avoid Fan Thinking- Haslam’s greatest sin as owner has been his inability to avoid the noise from fans.

His own desire to win along with his willingness to listen to fan’s frustrations has caused him to react swiftly, emotionally and ham fistedly. NFL ownership requires the opposite of that.

He may share your outrage but Haslam has to remember the Browns 1-21 record is a product of his own decisions.

Jimmy Haslam fired 3 regimes in 3 years. (Holmgren/Banner/Farmer)

Jimmy Haslam studied how other organizations were built and decided to have the Browns to mirror organizations from other sports despite the unconventional nature of said decision.

Jimmy Haslam hired all of the involved principles.

Maybe it’s time for Jimmy Haslam to stick to his own decisions and improve upon what he has already built.

Pandering to fans may quell the rage and sell tickets but it doesn’t actually a single thing. It’s tearing down a built that might need a fresh paint job.

Analyze Why The Relationship Between Sashi & Hue Is Strained- Losing breeds contempt.

Jimmy has to realize while he’s fatigued after 5 years of losing, Hue Jackson and Sashi Brown have only been in charge for 2 years. They can’t be blamed for the sins of previous regimes.

Is there friction between the front office and Hue because of losing or is there a philosophical schism? This may be the single most important question the Browns have faced since 1999. They’ve yet to get it right.

If Hue Jackson’s frustrated with the front office because he isn’t used to losing, that itself isn’t irreparable. Even if this is a product of Hue worrying for his job, that can be solved.

If Hue Jackson doesn’t believe in the direction of the organization or the analytical process, that’s a true sign of derision that cannot be fixed.

You can smooth over egos and hurt feelings; you cannot mend a philosophical divide.

Analyze The Organizations Strengths And Weaknesses- Just because the Browns are 1-21, doesn’t mean everything is a failure. The front office and Hue Jackson all deserve to be graded fairly on their work beyond the record.

The Front Office should be graded off their draft efforts, player acquisition (free agency/waivers) and other roster decisions such as the Osweiler trade and contract extensions.

Are they drafted well enough or is another football voice necessary? Is the organizational structure driving the team to make the best possible decisions?

With Hue Jackson, player development is one area that should paramount. Game day management, consistency and leadership should all be fair game too.

Based Off Strengths & Weaknesses, Make Adjustments-Not Sweeping Changes- Fans can never truly understand the importance of the structure of an organization or the impact of stability for that structuring.

Two years ago Haslam fired almost every key decision maker and he set out to build a more suitable front office.

Even if he feels it needs another voice, the current setup should not be destroyed as it has been 3 times before since Haslam took over. Those level of changes create a power vacuum which leads to chaos which damages an organizations ability to operate in the near term.

Instead of firing Hue Jackson or Sashi Brown, what tweaks can be made to improve the current situation?

Control of the 53 man roster, adjusting job descriptions within the front office, coaching staff decisions and changing who runs the draft are all fair suggestions depending on what weaknesses are uncovered.

All 4 options allow the current structure to move forward without dramatically altering it. That type of stability would breed true culture growth in Berea.

Commit To Finding A Quarterback This Year- The loudest and most valid gripe people have about the Browns is their decision to pass up multiple young quarterbacks over the last two years in favor of a less desirable quarterback room.

RG3, Josh McCown, Cody Kessler, Kevin Hogan and DeShone Kizer have all tested the Quarterback Whisper label bestowed on Hue Jackson.

There cannot be a third year of ignoring the NFL’s most important position.

Teddy Bridgewater, Kirk Cousins and Sam Bradford are all currently scheduled to be free agents.

Names like UCLA’s Josh Rosen, USC’s Sam Darnold and Oklahoma State’s Mason Rudolph may be available via this year’s supposedly deep quarterback class.

This organizaation has the draft capital and cap space to add at least one, if not two of these options to the roster this offseason.

In the last 2 years this team has pinned their hope under center to the likes of an injury prone diva, a late second round pick and a late third round pick.

Hue Jackson may be the Quarterback Whisperer but he isn’t Jesus. Give him NFL ready talent and see if he can live up to his nickname.

Heavy handed emotional decision making based off the constant sting of losing doesn’t take skill. Any fan can do just that.

Leading an organization out of the great abyss of irrelevance the Browns continuously find themselves in takes patience, critical thinking and leadership. It’s about time Jimmy Haslam proves he possesses those traits.

Ceasing the endless cycle of ineptitude that has plagued the Browns for almost 20 years may take years. It will sure as heck take longer than 22 months.

Jimmy Haslam is the only man that can permanently shut down the factory of sadness. He has the keys, now we’ll find out if he has the constitution.

with Manning visiting last week, is there anything to that?

I think that is a very interesting article, vambo. I wonder why he did not mention garrapolo in the pending free agent class. did the patriots sign him long term??
Bringing in a guy like manning to evaluate talent, especially qb talent, would seem like a no brainer. Offer him whatever it takes.

bard, I would bet that what you describe is exactly what Williams would like to do but he does not feel he has the corners to do it. next season we will I'll have an infusion of young talent in the def. backfield and I bet that is just what we will be doing.

Mac, I never thought otherwise for a moment. Lead us to the Promised Land, GM! We are finally all on board. You were/are the only missing piece.

What will your first official act be following your ascendancy?

That article infers that we, the fans, are a major contributor to the problem. Nonsense, if it was up to us we'd have solved it by now...

The front office should not only get a pass...they should be handed the keys to this upcoming draft after getting as much input as possible regarding which QB they will take with their first pick. They have had one draft with adequate time to scout, compare and prepare. Hue reportedly liked Goff and he's looking great now after a rocky start. Let Hue have "his" QB at the top of the next draft. We've done the "build-up-players" part of the plan...it's time to start drafting impact players with those impact picks.

Hue gets a pass for the foreseeable future but he's GOT to gear his offense to his talent...starting yesterday. Too many very-knowledgeable football people are saying the same thing about the offense Hue is running for there not to be issues with it. He doesn't yet have the QB, WRs or respected running game to keep jamming this vertical offense down the players' throats. It simply isn't working.

We all KNEW this was a re-build and we'd have a gaggle of inexperienced players on the team. We all KNEW that that means issues with penalties and execution. We KNEW we would get that...and we GOT that. We KNEW we'd be thin at many positions and injuries would expose our roster. No one should really be surprised. Disappointed for sure...but not surprised.

The FO needs to keep scouring the planet for better players and doing their homework for the '18 draft. Their jobs depend on this next draft. There is/was precious little they could do once the season started. We have who we have...for better or worse.

Hue needs to huddle with his coaches and skinny down the offense to things his talent can handle. He has a veteran OL - outside of the developing RT. He's got veteran RBs, two very athletic TEs and precious little at WR with children at QB. If these guys were in the kitchen, who would prepare most of the meal? Who would handle the knives? Hue is over-thinking and being stubborn. He has the players he has...maybe not the ones he wants...but he's got to do a better job with game-planning to his team's talents. He needs to rely on the OL and running game with many options to throw to the RBs and TEs...Hue needs to maximize the limited strengths he DOES have at his disposal. He needs to make life as easy as possible for the WRs and kids at QB.

I'd rather go three straight 3-and-outs running the ball (every snap to start the game) than go backwards or turn over the ball. We have no real choice but to be predictable...it's what we've got right now. Find something...anything...that we can hang a hat on. That's going to have to come from the OL and RBs because the other guys just aren't there yet...and we already KNEW that at the start of the season.

Everybody gets a pass for now...but everybody gets evaluated too.

This was a poorly written article that was annoying w/all the short clips and sentences like these two gems:



"...it doesn't actually a single thing" and "...tearing down a built...."



However, I think the author [sic] had a couple of good points. Changing regimes has crippled this franchise and Haslam has listened to the emotional and clueless fans far too often.

Haslam chose these men and said he believed in the plan. He said the plan was a multi-year plan. He said he believed in the people he hired.

Now is the time to prove what you said, Haslam!

I think some things can be tweaked in the FO. I think that Sashi hasn't earned the right to have so much power in personnel decisions. I think we could add a talent guy or give Hue more say in which qb should be chosen, but I think that we should stick w/the basic plan and not fire anyone for at least this year and next.

I'm hoping for 4-5 years w/out firings, but I don't want to get too greedy. LOL

It is my hope that Haslam does not listen to the dummies and make yet another mistake. This offense isn't terrible because Hue doesn't know how to call plays or put guys in position to succeed. It's terrible because it lacks talent and/or experience at 3 of the 4 skill units on offense.

Stay the course!

He shook his head, said "Take me to B Spot", had lunch, and left town.

0-6? The front office isn't doing this to you, Browns fans; they're doing it for you -- Doug Lesmerises

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/cleveland_may_not_be_strong_en.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland may not be strong enough to allow the plan to see itself through, but if this Browns front office is fired anytime soon, know this: The next general manager will oversee a winner. And you'll credit the wrong guy.

If this grand, brief experiment ends after this season - and it shouldn't, oh it shouldn't - the next group of decision makers will step in and see what no Browns GM has inherited in years.


A foundation.

I'm standing up here not for the people but for the plan, not for the individuals but the idea. Sometimes, ideas need defending, especially those with delayed outcomes.

Some have reached the point of taking the losing personally, so 0-6 and 1-21 is enough, and the calls for the jobs of Sashi Brown and his crew have begun. They'll wrap themselves in the history of misery that means nothing in the now, and Jimmy Haslam may listen and panic and 2018 could welcome a new boss surveying this scene:

A defensive line built around two high and productive picks, one of them, Myles Garrett, a supposed can't-miss the whole league agreed on.
Solid linebackers and a secondary featuring an interesting if uncertain talent in Jabrill Peppers, playing out of position, and another guy or two who could help.
An offensive line that looks set and should be solid.
That young tight end, David Njoku, drafted when he still wasn't old enough to drink, who is raw but with a high ceiling.
Corey Coleman, who can't stay healthy yet who still could be something, but otherwise a receiving corps with huge problems.
There's a need for a more dynamic running back.
And then there's quarterback.

It's too hard to tell on DeShone Kizer (Hue Jackson hasn't helped that), but there's a chance to get your quarterback in the next draft.

That's because the Browns have two first-round picks. And there are three second-rounders, which allows more chances to package some things and grab another first-rounder if need be. What's looking like another lousy season in 2017 means that Cleveland's own first-round and second-round picks will be high.

What do you think, new guy? How do you plan to proceed?

Quarterback at the top of round one? A receiver with the other first-round pick? Move up for a running back at the end of round one, and use some of that massive salary cap room on a top corner?

Yeah, that's workable, thanks to the previous regime.

The new guys making those picks wouldn't have felt the pain that made all that possible, but someone had to feel it. You're feeling it now. The front office is feeling it now.

And that's one of the problems. We need to stop saying the Browns are doing this to the fans and understand they are trying to do this for the fans. Maybe you believe a long play by the front office is just a ploy for Haslam to keep them around for an extra year, but 1-21 sure is a strange strategy if you care about people thinking you're smart.

Jackson is desperately grasping for wins right now, looking for a quick Sunday fix and a bandage for the wound. But the front office is making you take your horrible-tasting medicine, because the long-term strategy is aimed toward, for the first time since the Browns returned, full health.

At least there is progress in the complaints.

Previous regimes failed with who they did pick, from Barkevious Mingo to Trent Richardson, Justin Gilbert to Brandon Weeden, Johnny Manziel to Cam Erving.

Now, the wails are about who wasn't picked - Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson and Malik Hooker. But you know the Browns could have only one of them, right? Trading the Wentz pick created the pick that could have been Watson or Hooker (but not both), a pick that was traded again. Jackson, by the way, wanted Hooker.

So the first-round receiver they'll draft next year for their first-round quarterback to throw to, he'll exist only because of that trade.

You're joking to yourself now that the Sashi guys, if they're around in 2018, would trade down again, but the new football hero that you imagine they'll hire, he'll pick the best QB around like those math boys were afraid to do. The cliched columns will write themselves.

But Brown and Paul DePodesta will take a quarterback high eventually or trade for a worthy veteran, just by the law of averages and common sense. Do you think they'll get to the end of a three-year teardown/rebuild and go, "Hey, we forgot to get a quarterback?"

So unless Kizer looks like a sure top-shelf starter by the this season, a new QB, picked somewhere in the top 10 (maybe at No. 1 the way things are going) will arrive and be surrounded by some talent, the way Wentz was in Philadelphia and Watson was in Houston, and the way neither of them would have been in Cleveland.

So they passed on Wentz, a move I think was born primarily out of a short draft prep time after they were hired in January, and a reasonable, but maybe wrong, contention that the roster was so barren, they needed quantity from that pick more than quality.

They passed on Watson, somehow viewed as a savior now when much of the national predraft analysis wondered if he was worth a first-round pick. Listen, I loved Watson, and if I had been picking for the Browns, after the Wentz trade I'd have taken Ohio State's Michael Thomas, not Coleman, at 15, and Watson would be throwing to Thomas in brown and orange right now.

But what if by next summer the Browns have added:

USC quarterback Sam Darnold, SMU receiver Courtland Sutton and Alabama running back Damien Harris to this offensive line, plus holdovers Coleman and Njoku; with a defense featuring Garrett, Ogbah, Jamie Collins and Peppers. All, save for Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio on the O-line, acquired by this regime.

Would you be happy then? What makes you believe that won't be what actually happens? They targeted defense in the last draft and the offensive line in free agency. It's time for skill positions again.

The Philadelphia 76ers are projected as a playoff team this season, with a raft of young talent acquired only through incessant losing and repeated high drafting. Sam Hinkie, the GM who birthed the idea, is long gone, forced out in April 2016, and those who replaced him can act like all that talent arrived through their sheer genius, as opposed to Hinkie's calculated pain and plan.

Here in Cleveland, former Cavs GM Chris Grant wasn't around for the first Cleveland title in 52 years, but he acquired many of the picks (including the one that became Kyrie Irving) that helped form the nucleus around LeBron James that gave the legend something to work with.

That may be the fate of this Browns group, but their sacrifice will have been for you. Nobody plans for the future in the NFL because the present demands so much, usually a scalp.

But this front office went for a long-term teardown anyway. Was that the smartest thing they could have done to keep their jobs? Or were they thinking what was best for the organization first?

If they were allowed to take their extra draft picks with them if they are fired, you'd keep them forever. But the screechers who demand their pound of flesh know that win or lose, fire or keep, those extra picks aren't going anywhere.

We know - you mock draft picks, too. That is, right up until draft day, when those picks can turn into future Watsons or Hookers and you'll scream yourself hoarse over them.

It still comes down to acquiring the right players, and there have been mistakes, from Kenny Britt to Kenny Britt, and Kenny Britt to Kenny Britt. Maybe Coleman was a miss.

But really, you're most upset with late-round misses, like disappointing receiver Ricardo Louis, a mid-fourth round pick. Fourth-rounders miss. Or you're upset with the guys they didn't take.

Meanwhile, Ogbah, Carl Nassib, Shon Coleman, Joe Schobert, Derrick Kindred, Seth DeValve, Garrett, Peppers, Njoku, Kizer, Larry Ogunjobi and Caleb Brantley are out there playing from their first two drafts. Yet people act as if every pick has been a failure.

If they don't solve quarterback, fire them after the 2018 season. If you look at three drafts then and see bust after bust after bust, fire them after the 2018 season.

But don't panic mid-stream, the way Jackson is doing, just because you can't see the long-term plan that isn't nearly the failure you think it is so far.

Maybe Cleveland, after 19 years of football nothing, can't stomach another eight months of this, because planning is hard and screaming feels good.

Here's the thing Cleveland: You may not be strong enough to handle the plan. But you're going to reap the rewards anyway.

The guys who put it in place just may not be around to see it.

Just as we can't say this plan won't work, it is far too early to say that this plan will work. There is no evidence to support that idea.

We can hope it will work. We can like the plan. We can even be fans of the plan. But, we don't know it will work.

I think the plan is really goofy!!!! It's half and half. really good and really bad! Should've taken Watson at 12 and paid for the best free agent WR. I know Watson can hit our TEs and Duke. It would also be nice to find a gem at RB like Pittsburgh always seems to do. This front office is mediocre. You could grab some fans out of the stands and have a meeting to come up with better results than this. This is just fact!

It's not fact.

Ok, I'll give you that. I jumped the gun. But i'd like to see the results. Fans aren't as stupid as everyone makes them out to be!

I agree.The best we as fans can do is hope the plan will work.I don't care who turns this mess around or how they turn it around as long as it gets turned around.

I heard they sang the Nationwide jingle while they ate their burgers!

Agreed. Having said that, I have a question:

Are our QB's changing (or are allowed to) the play at the LOS based on what the defense is presenting?

Agreed? Who are those "very-knowledgeable football people?"

I think the "very-knowledgeable football people" are saying that the Browns have passed on good QBs and that their current QBs aren't very good.

I wish there was some way to prove Hue Jackson is getting outcoached on gameday,

or prove that he is not.

Because if Hue Jackson is getting out coached, then it wouldn't matter what the plan is, who the front office is, what the talent is or any of it.

A bad coach can lose with anybody.

That's what I'm saying. He would be worse than Marvin Lewis when it comes to playoffs if we ever get there with him. This is down the road 3 years from now. Who wants to sit through that misery?

Ooo-oo! I have questions: Will I ever be rich? What are this weeks lottery numbers? Will Trump make it through his first term? I'm planning an outing this weekend, will it rain? Is the stock market bubble about to burst? Is my marriage going to work out?