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I never implied that it could have been prevented. But it could have been slowed, resulting in less injuries and deaths.

Sure you can as they are developed nations.

The countries you listed have been hell holes since before even you was born. Underdeveloped and poor nations always have problems like gun violence and such. That’s typically what you get when you live in a country that’s more about survival than it is about a functioning government/society.

But isn’t that the overall point? We’re supposed to be the best country in the world, yet we have violence as if we are some third world nation ranby cartels and religious extremist.....

Oh crap....we have 2/3 criteria.

CHS is right. Those developed nations that banned guns in general saw their gun violence DROP. You can’t point to rare instances of massive gun violence like in France and go “see! See! It doesn’t work!” Because NOTHING in this world can be completely be eliminated.

We banned discrimation in this country, yet it doesn’t stop some owners from discriminating. You get what I’m saying?

However, Europe’s gun policy works. Their homicide rate as a whole puts us to shame, never mind breaking it down by gun deaths, then they aren’t even in the same planet as us. Fact.

We are suppose to be the greatest country in the most developed country in the world, yet we compete with third world, war torn countries in gun violence/deaths.

That doesn’t speak to the laws on our books so much as it speaks to the culture of us Americans.

A lot of you guys want to dance around the issue but the reality is that we are one of the most violent countries on earth. And that’s because of our history in the way we have treated our people.

Nobody is saying the aren't allowed to get health insurance.,. What they are saying is that CAN'T get health insurance..

Try and keep up will ya

"Inner City Blacks"?

What about the crazy white folks who seem to be doing most/all of these mass shootings? What about the crazy white folks who seem to be planting bombs (OKC, recent airport plant in NC), what about the crazy white folks who are driving cars into crowds? What about the crazy white folks who want to march down the streets spouting racist, hateful language while holding nazi and confederate flags? What about the crazy white folks who we often see in the papers that have been arrested for being horrifically abusive to their own children? Yet, you choose to cite "inner city blacks".

Wow, racist much?

Just testing to see if anyone actually reads the posts.
Most just skim and attack.
You read it.

I don't think there was such a thing as inner city Blacks back at the time of the Revolution but I thought it would get Swish's attention, which it didn't.

I said it in jest but I do recognize you spewing venom.
Ahhh, Racism. It ain't a one way street.

Well, you probably already know this in the field you work in, but have you seen the copays and deductibles on the Obamacare marketplace plans? They are a joke. Most people will never use enough to meet their deductibles, and they still have to pay the premiums...so they really don't have insurance anyway. I work with insurances every day, and I haven't met one person that is grateful for having a marketplace plan. Most of the time I have to advocate for them so they don't get ripped off even further.

Sorry, I guess when he said "literally no one else, who have banned guns....", I thought he meant "literally no one else, who have banned guns....".

It's like geology, it just takes time.

There will be less weapons on planet earth as time goes on, because as humanity progresses, we get smarter. We will look back and realize less weapons was the proper course of action. In 100 years there will be an elequent song written about our lives with weapons.

We went from killing eachother for their religion, to enslaving people for personal gain, to segregating people by the color of their skin. Do you see how poorly we've treated each other? Your weapons have no place in the world to come.

This is my naive projection of humanity

I forgot that we can only be literal on this part of the forum. My mistake. Also, not sure why we need to be counting gun violence deaths in Lebanon who just finished up a war with ISIS. Or second and third world countries that cannot offer up the same safeguards when it comes to importing goods.

Also, gun control philosophy relies on an anachronistic crux where 3D printers do not continue to grow. If you want to see the future of gun production, and gun control laws, 3D printing is a sight to behold.

So your saying they need guns in 3rd world countries to protect their ports where the imports come in? .. Got it ...

Don't expect a reply before noon as we wait for the Liberals to get up.

Love this libspeak. You use the word "literally", then act like a victim due to the counter. You're the one that said "literally no one else who have banned guns". "Literally no one" means all inclusive. You should have said, "literally no one except the ones that don't fit my argument".

Obviously, you have not been living in this world lately.

No I didn't say that. I didn't say anything like that. Are you already sloshed this early in the morning?

I'm acting like a victim that pointing out that Lebanon and America are completely different countries? Or am I acting like a victim by pointing out what I said was hyperbolic, but not as inaccurate as you're trying to make it seem. France, which you guys love for their gun violence, has 80% less gun violence than us per capita. Now if you're talking inclusiveness then that's an inclusive number.

For me, I try to complete both parts of my morning workout before I start accruing community service hours on here by teaching you dyslexics how to think.

Good cover story, I will write that one down.

I'm sure you will attempt to write that one down

No, you're acting like a victim because that's what liberals do when they lose an argument. No matter how you try to twist things, you tried to make the case that gun bans work everywhere they're tried. They don't. You were proven wrong. Unfortunately, liberals fail to realize that words mean things....literally. That's not hyperbole.

“The media is being unfair to me”

-Trump acting like a victim

I'm no Trump fan.

I lost an argument about gun control? Where did that happen? Also, since we're being hyperliteral these days, can you explain to me the word, "try"? Because I made one post about it and didn't even reply until I saw your post. Also why are you holding me literally to the fire over the exact definition, leaving no room for interpretation, after you tried to include countries based on "strict gun laws" when I said "banned"? You even admit in your post that I may have meant "strict gun control laws", which why let me slide there just to harp over "no one"?

Also, since we are getting hyperliteral, can you tell me how Lebanon, Brazil and Colombia are free nations? Free from what, exactly? Or free to do what? I find all three place's to have very little freedoms.

Really dude? ... what do u want to insult strawmen like that for? ...

How many were killed by the truck in Nice?

The homicide rate in US is literally 3x what it is in France.

Stop pretending like the exception makes the rule or that one nut job with a truck makes the entire gun argument invalid.

So your refusal to answer the question shows a lot. There are 300 million guns in the US, give or take. The exception would seem to me is that there are just nuts.

The point is, ban guns they will find other ways to kill. Do you not know they use toothbrushes in jail to kill other inmates? No law or restriction is going to prevent evil.

except "other ways to kill" means a higher chance of victims to defend themselves in some way shape of form.

if we ban guns, and knife attacks go up, at least i have a reasonable chance to defend myself. if somebody runs up on me and shoots me in the back of the head, guess what? even if i had a CCW, i'm still dead.

Wouldn’t we have to figure in the populations of both countries to make that valid? ...

If u did ... KUDOS ... if not, to make it a valid comparision you’d have to include population sizes to figure out how much higher it is here ... no?

Pretty sure if someone runs up from behind with a knife, toothbrush shank etc., it doesn't matter your still dead. that's a stupid analogy. You cant defend yourself from the rear unknowingly being attacked.

But if someone with a knife comes up form the front and you have a gun - guess what, the odds are extremely in your favor

Pretty sure if someone runs up from behind with a knife, toothbrush shank etc., it doesn't matter your still dead. that's a stupid analogy. You cant defend yourself from the rear unknowingly being attacked.

But if someone with a knife comes up form the front and you have a gun - guess what, the odds are extremely in your favor [/quote]

you must not be aware of the amount of damage a human body can take from knives. which is why you don't get the analogy.

if even someone came to me face to face with a gun, i can have a CCW and it not matter one bit. but if someone came face to face with a knife, better believe my chance of survival is high.

you must not be aware of the amount of damage a human body can take from knives. which is why you don't get the analogy.

if even someone came to me face to face with a gun, i can have a CCW and it not matter one bit. but if someone came face to face with a knife, better believe my chance of survival is high.

[/quote]So now your changing your scenario _typical lefty.

You stated from behind a gun wouldn't do anything if show in the BACK of the head. Well getting stabbed in the back of the head wont do anything either.

And you know whats funny, you never hear of things like that happening to someone who is carrying - weird, its like criminals choose to attack those that cant defend themselves......

I didn’t change my overall point. I just had to dumb it down for you.

86 people died.. they still have 1/3 the homicide rate we have and our death rate from guns is almost 5x theirs.


The next time somebody kills 59 people from 1500 feet away in a hotel room with a toothbrush, let me know.

I fully understand that there is evil, there has always been evil, and there will always be evil.. I see no reason to arm it to the teeth and then hope the cops and Johnny Concealedcarry can stop it before it kills people.

And yet more people would have died if it was a truck running through the crowd. Let ban
chevy.

So wait, they banned guns yet people still die there from guns...how is that? And what is the population difference of the two countries? No seems to mention that little tidbit. And most of those gun deaths in American, come from the strictest gun law states and typically are in gun free zones. . . how can that happen if there are no guns allowed in that zone? Gun laws only apply to those that wish to follow them.

And yet, nobody would complain that their constitutional rights were being violated if you put these..



around crowded festivals and outdoor concerts...


Wow, you covered like 9 bumper sticker sayings in one paragraph there... let me see...


They have guns for hunting and shooting sports.. it's not a totally gun free country.. please remove that talking point bumper sticker from your car.


Quoted stats are per 100,000 of population.. so the difference in population is irrelevant.. please remove that talking point bumper sticker from your car.


They made them gun free zones in reaction to having the highest crime.. gun free zones didn't turn safe places into unsafe places.. and you can't have a gun free zone 4 miles from where guns are readily accessible.. of course that negates any positive impact of having a gun free zone.


Ah, my old favorite argument.. we have laws, what more can we do. More laws won't help because people break laws....

See, this is where the argument has to move away from gun control and move into the area of poverty, inequality, squallor, lack of education, general distrust and hatred of each other, and all of the other things that drive violence, for which guns are used...

It's a big argument that goes well beyond simple gun control.. but nobody seems to want to address those issues either.

In those countries where guns are banned, the young, strong and big rule life.

The people are defenseless unless they are also young, strong or big.

I have read reports comparing getting robbed in your house once in your lifetime in America vs being robbed in your house 3 times in Britain.
The thugs in England knock down your door, push their way in and throw you to the floor. They grab your wife by the wrist and twist. They ask you where are the valuables as she screams in pain. They grab and they are gone. Police arrive soon after and they check all the street cameras to identify the perps.

I like that we have a RIGHT to the equalizer for the old and the frail, small and innocent. Standing up to defend ourselves is far better than living life on our knees.

You really make conservatives sound like they are pathetic weaklings without their guns.

I severely hope that isn’t the case. Cause you and others describe guns as if it powers your confidence.

Who cares how you twist it, we have our Rights, don't like it? Move!

The Right to self defense works for Conservatives as well as Liberals. D's and R's.

I don’t have to move anywhere. I’m a US citizen. If you don’t like it, oh well snowflake.

Weakling.