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All the staff and this whole stupid organization should fire themselves and submit their paychecks to everyone in the city for the constant disgrace this football team is. Regardless of the reports or etc.

We can replace them with more failures we lose faith in three games or less of next season.

I'm convinced this team will never, ever make the calls needed to get us somewhere than zero or one win seasons.

They have already denied this report.

They live in Denial ! lol

That means is true.

Sounds like the Haslam's have realized that Depodesta and Brown have sold them a bill of goods...in other words they have been hoodwinkled by these two.

This is good news for us because now we will finally get an actual REAL NFL GM...and guys like Scot McCloughan is honestly where our search should start and end...the Super Bowl 49ers and Super Bowl Seahawks roster was built by this guy...he actually knows what he is doing and will get things fixed here.

Who is "they"? If Jimmy Haslam is "they" why would he confirm this mid season?

If "they" is Sahi and crew, why would they be seeking someone to either replace them or take away some of their responsibilities?

From what I read, it just said "Browns deny report". I would assume that means Jimmy and Dee.

Knight - we have been down this road before. We cannot go through another tear down 2 years in. Im ok with replacing the Talent evaluators, but we have to keep this coaching staff - and I cant believe I just said that. lol

At this point in the season, how much communication are the Browns allowed to have with prospective general managers?

Obviously we wouldn't be able to talk to anyone who is already signed on to another team, but would Jimmy be allowed to be in contact with anyone not currently in the NFL?

Haslem, in frustration, probably yelled something in his box yesterday about changing things up and the waiter overheard it and the rest as they say...

A few weeks ago, I would have agreed with you that we needed to keep this coaching staff. Now, I think you gotta cut bait. They are not the right people.

Jackson throws the ball too damn much. the guy just doesn't get it that makign your rookie QB thorow the ball 30+ times a game is ridiclious...evne if your losing...you gotta try to run the damn ball to give yourself a chance, but Jackson has never learned.

Furthermore, benching his 21 year old rookie QB 4 and a half games in is ridiclious. Rookies typically struggle year one, they make mistakes, thats what rookies do...you have to ride that out if you want any kind of credibility. When Jackson decided to cut ways with his vet in Osweiler and roll with the rookie year one, gotta ride the good out with the bad and hehas failed to do that.

Kizer has EVERYTHING you would want in a prototypical NFL QB from a talent standpoint. He has size, height, a big time NFL arm...all Kizer needs is proper coaching and a little bit of time to be a big time QB in the NFL. Even Big Ben was VERY impressed with Kizer on opening day...i think Ben knows a thing or two about good QB.

You're a helluva player. Wish you all the best, stay healthy...we'll see you again soon" - Ben Rothlisbeger to Deshone Kizer after the opening day game

We honestly don't need to draft another QB, what we need to do is get some decent NFL capable WR, draft a decent NFL RB(Crow sucks), and hire a coach that knows how to put together a proper gameplan and coach.

Jackson as much as it pains me to say this is probably the worst coach we have EVER had...even Chris Palmer was better then this guy with an expansion team...

We need to start over, this time we got a good chance of getting the right people....

I thought the FO had decisions on roster. Like the fact Hue thought we were drafting Watson, and they traded down.

Although I agree he does abandon the run, its not ridiculous in todays NFL. Add the fact that Crow stinks....

I agree, he should have kept him in there. But he is damned if he does and doesn't. Everyone was screaming to get Kizer out of there, and now those same people are screaming he put Hogan in there.

There are literally hundreds of players that have those and are working at the grocery store. You need to have it upstairs as well.

I wanted us to start Brock at the beginning of the year and play Kizer once he was ready. It was pretty clear in preseason that he couldn't make the reads and shouldn't have been playing until he could.

Although I thought starting Kizer week 1 was a mistake, I was on the side of continuing to play him not flip-flop the QB situation.

After a while it became clear that playing Kizer wasn't helping him improve his reads. I was okay with the swap of Hogan.

Hogan literally looked panicked last week. He played better than this last year!

So now what do we do? Putting Kizer back in isn't going to help him. He needs to work on his reads in practice instead of next week's game plan. Putting Hogan back in might cause a revolt at the stadium. We could go back to putting dink and dunk Kessler I guess.

I sure wish that we still had Brock. He wouldn't have given us much hope for next year, but he could have bought us time while we were getting Kizer ready.

Pretty confident that Hue is going to go with Kizer next week. Which just does not make sense.

If they do go with Kizer, this better be it for the rest of the year

I agree. It's like the "you wanted Hogan, you got to see it, now let me get back to my plan" approach...

I agree with the folks who say, we at least need to go with Kizer to see what he's got.

Everyone will be fired soon enough. FO will jump from the hue ship as fingers from the coaching staff begin to point in their direction.

Frankly all deserve to get the boot. The only Innocents are the rookies drafted into this huge pile of dawg dung.

Romeo was an idiot and no way does he win just one game in a year n half with this week ass schedule. FO put together this group of QBs n receivers. That is all on them.

Anyway blow it up again,. I personally don't care anymore. I could have built a front office and coaching staff from this board and produced twice as many wins. Yep even the asses on this board could produced 2 wins.

We can talk to anyone, if we reach out to the teams and get approval.

Who would we talk to that is not currently in the NFL? For the vast, vast, vast majority, if they're in the league, it is probably for a good reason.

IMO I don't think that's the case at all. I think Hue did the right thing to pull Kizer last week for the second half to send a message he must take care of the football. But then IMO Hue made a mistake by not starting Kizer this week.

If Hue actually started Hogan to just make some sort of point directed to the FO or to whoever, his days as HC here are numbered.

Hue has a dilemma this week and he's probably not going to fair too well with either QB he decides on starting. IMO we should be working out and interviewing the best FA QB available with NFL experience right now.

I am still waiting on my answer from Sashi as to why we did not draft Watson at #12 and not even have to give up any draft capital to get him.

He must have thought Watson was not a franchise QB and that Kizer was a better QB. That tells me a lot about the people making personnel decisions.

Unfortunately I think our FO was so wrapped up in the "value" equation that they forgot to draft somebody that had a better chance of being the better player.

What they fail to seem to comprehend is that, specific to the QB position, if you could grade them on a 1-10 scale, the difference in impact to the team between a 7 and a 9 isn't 2.. it's an exponential difference. Ryan Tannehill is a 7, Ben Roethlisberger is a 9...

That is 100% hindsight talking.

Leading up to the draft, the consensus was that the QB talent was not good... and not nearly as good as what was coming the next year. If you one of the few people that thought Watson was the man... then great for you. The consensus was that these guys were going to be over-drafted.

On draft day, on this board... posters were wringing their hands over passing on Hooker (FS)... NOT Watson.

That's fine.. let's say that you are right and the consensus was that the QB class wasn't very good.. though I will admit that I personally would have cheered the selection of Watson at #12 but that's neither here nor there... so if it is understood that the QB class is so bad and you have relegated yourself to taking one the following year..

With Osweiler and Kessler already on the roster, then WHY do you spend the #52 overall pick on a QB who isn't nearly as highly rated as the guy you passed on at #12? There are still a crap load of talented players on the board at #52 that you could have and you take a flyer on the 4th or 5th best QB from a class that is already not very good?

Either way you slice it, the decision makers don't look very good.. now, with that said, Kizer could turn a corner, end up being very good and they will all look like geniuses in that moment....

But from where are now.. either they failed at talent evaluation because they had Kizer ahead of Watson... or they failed at common sense because they took a flyer with the #52 pick and passed up other players who were more likely to succeed at other positions... and defer the QB decision to next year.

Jimmy may make some ultimatum that results in resignations. I could see him possibly demanding an OC of Hue that leads him to resign. A true GM demand and possibly boy genius Sashi goes. Seems plausible.

j/c

was I mad that we passed on Hooker? yes
was I mad that we passed on Watson? no

I'm of the mindset that any QB we get will suck, so it doesn't matter

I did want Watson, not at #1 but later in the first round. And when he was there at #12 I thought for sure we would take him. When we did not, my head exploded. Not sure what Sashi thought "value" was when the best QB in the draft fell to #12 right in our laps.

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If Browns hire a true football GM next year, it should be Cardinals VP of player personnel Terry McDonough. He’d fix that mess.





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Grossi: You will hear Terry McDonough as a name that will come out as a potential #Browns rumor as a front office interest.

Amazing how this front office actually had fan boi's all in support of it

I'm a little disappointed my phone isn't ringing yet.

Patience ...

How did anybody manage to win Supra Bowls without analytics before this?

We need somebody can judge what we need and see value when it is in front of them IMO. And that will mean stop doing some stuff that has killed us and doing some different stuff differently. I haven't seen much gold panned here. Some results and improvement are to be expected. We look worse. IMO. FWIW.

Sorry Dcdawgfan,
You might want to look at college game film and actually watch the picks play in games.

I often wonder what the coaches and scouts say vs Sashi/Depodesta?? That is were the real crazy conversations are had.

Even if we drafted Watson I don't think he would have done as well here at first as he is in Houston. Point being he has a lot more talent around him there then he would have with us. JMO

But it feels different this time. This is obviously a case of Mac subverting the media.

For real though, daddy's little cupcake (haslam) let it be known that that this year was a wash before training camp even started. After that the powers that be pushed success ahead further by cutting veteran talent. Should our expectations have been higher?

One of the espn talking head said yesterday that Hue texted Watson at some point before pick 12 telling him to be ready...but then Houston traded up. I can't imagine Hue would text him to let him know another team was picking him, so until Houston called, I'm guessing he was our guy.

I can't look at your sig without cracking up!

I wanted Hooker and I still would have preferred we had taken him.

Dude has 3 picks already and Charles Woodson was just talking about him being the best "safety" in college last year and what great range he has.

Peppers was always overrated. Dumb ass move by the FO.

I wanted Hooker too and we could sure use him now. With MG up front and Hooker in the secondary WOW. There's 2 leaders on D for a long time. Building blocks.