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So I'm not as big of a gamer anymore and I'm really cheap with my money so I've been debating it for months. Should I buy an X-Box 360 or a PS3. I know about this PS3 price drop, but I don't want to buy the system that is a failure obviously.

The main reason I'm buying one is for Madden and Basketball, otherwise just a game or two that comes out that's good.

I'm pretty set on the X-Box360 with a hard drive, but I don't wanna buy one now and have the price drop in like a month or two. Does anyone know if there is going to be a price drop?

You guys gotta help me out. Do I buy a 360 now or wait a little? Is the PS3 going to be a winner in the end?

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buy the 360.

i don't have a ton of experience with the ps3, but from what i have dealt with it, i've come to the conclusion that, despite being released a year and a half after the 360, it is still not a better system...

all the sports games, and other select games, will be available on both, but where the 360 dominates is with their exclusives, they far outweigh the ps3... the halo series, fable, gears of war, etc...

the other thing that the 360 has on the ps3 is that microsoft's online community is far and away better than anything that sony can come up with, the ps3 may offer free service, but for 50 bucks a year, you're still getting a better deal with the 360

i also hear that microsoft has gotten rights from capcom to make all future resident evil games exclusive to the 360, i'm not totally positive about that

one other thing that you may want to look at is the blu-ray technology, will it last?

i'm not so sure... blu-ray and hd-dvd are battling each other for supremacy, but where blu-ray has faulted is in the porn business, they do not produce adult dvd's... i'm not trying to be perverted, but if you think about it, there is no way a company can survive without letting a multi-billion dollar business use your service...

360 uses hd-dvd technology, but offers it as an add-on that you buy seperately, that's why the system is cheaper, it gives you the option to buy it, it's not included in the price which is to your benefit, i'm waiting to see if this technology holds... and if it does, i'll buy the add-on...

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Get a Wii.

In all seriousness, PS3 is a better value. 60 gig HD, Blu-Ray Player and Wi-Fi for $100 more.

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Better system for the money- PS3

The way you're describing yourself and preferences, though, you may want to buy a 360. If you're just playing Madden and basketball, you can buy it on the 360 and pay less for the system. You'll just have to return it when the red ring of death appears.

If you want it for more than just Madden, I'd recommend the PS3. Large hard drive, Wi Fi so you don't need to screw around setting it up online, and some GREAT looking games coming out later this year and into next.


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It really comes down to the games. Always has, always will. I worked in a video game store for three years while in college (tell me there's a better job while in college!).

And that's the first question I always asked. What kind of games do you like? Yeah, I know you like "Madden and basketball" and "some other games" but there are more details to those statements.

1. Do you know that the Madden and NCAA football games play at 60 frames per second on the 360 as compared to 30 FPS on the PS3. It's a fact. GO to a store and see them in person.
2. Take a look on the net (my favorite VG site) at reviews of basketball games on each system that are currently out. And then read up on a few in the future. If my #1 point is true for the EA basketball games on the 360 and PS3, that might help the decision too.
3. Go hold the controllers at a store. Sounds stupid, I know, but if one feels goofy while the other feels like melted butter....you might know then.
4. Look more into the future of the "other games". Do you want a first-person shooter like Halo 3? Final Fantasy? Mario Galaxy (more on this later)? Metal Gear Solid? GTA 4 (with downloadable content)?
5a. If you plan on using it as a HD DVD player....PS3 is you man.
5b. If you could care less about HD DVD.......360 is cheaper and doesn't bother with it.
6. Madden is coming out on the Wii too (same with basketball games). And the Wii is waaaaaay cheaper.
7. Is HD gaming important?
8a. Will you be playing online?
8b. Mostly by yourself?
8c. Inviting friends over for to have fun?
9. You want to play Guitar Hero (its fun, trust me)?
10. Ok, I ran out of points to consider....I still wanted to fill in ten of them.

You gotta do some research on your end. Madden and basketball games are going to be out on all three major systems. And the Wii looks to be the champ in 5 months (even though I wouldn't have guessed it to be so).


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If you want to buy something SOON, then I'd go with the 360. They have better games now and most of Sony's heavy hitters won't be coming until 2008. As mentioned above, Madden plays better on the 360.

However, I would suggest you wait until the 360 starts shipping with the 65nm chipset, as that will run much cooler and should reduce the risk of hareware failure on the console. According to Gamespot in an article posted July 9th, 2007, the chip should be released this fall.

I wouldn't expect a price reduction until next year. I think MS feels strong going into this holiday season. They have games coming out that will be system sellers at the current price point.

The PS3 will be a great system in due time. I think you'll see games produced for it for a LOOONG time, so you will eventually get your money's worth. At this point, there's only a small handful of games I'd play. JMO.

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I have a PS2 collecting dust in my closet - just don't play games anymore.

However, I thought about breaking it out and purchasing Guitar Hero - is it really that cool? Which is better - 1 or 2? This is for the PS2 as well - still good on that system?


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9. You want to play Guitar Hero (its fun, trust me)?





Guitar Hero III comes out for XBOX360,PS2,PS3 and the Wii within the next 9 months so I don't see why it would matter for what system?


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Go with the Ps3 man. But then again it wasn't a hard choice for me because I had about 25 Ps2 games, and I wasn't about to trash them all for a 360.

I like Madden, GTA, MGS, FPS, FF games, and others. Since the original MGS is my favorite game, I couldn't stand not seeing what happened to snake.

Once again, as someone else mentioned above, it comes down to games.

And on top of that do you own an HD set?

And on the subject of Blue-ray, I rented Goodfellas yesterday and it look out of this world. It may help the Ps3 that Blockbuster is pushing blueray pretty strong.


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buy the 360.

i don't have a ton of experience with the ps3, but from what i have dealt with it, i've come to the conclusion that, despite being released a year and a half after the 360, it is still not a better system...




In what way have you dealt with the PS3? Why is it not the better system? Because it has a 60 gig HD installed already? Because it has bluetooth already installed? Maybe the built-in Wi-Fi? Please...if you wanted a HD-DVD player and Wi-Fi for the 360 the system then becomes MORE expensive than the PS3.

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all the sports games, and other select games, will be available on both, but where the 360 dominates is with their exclusives, they far outweigh the ps3... the halo series, fable, gears of war, etc...




PS3 has it's exclusives too... Resistance: Fall of Man, Final Fantasy series, Metal Gear, etc...

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the other thing that the 360 has on the ps3 is that microsoft's online community is far and away better than anything that sony can come up with, the ps3 may offer free service, but for 50 bucks a year, you're still getting a better deal with the 360




PS3 will be rolling out Home this fall.

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i also hear that microsoft has gotten rights from capcom to make all future resident evil games exclusive to the 360, i'm not totally positive about that




Why even mention it then?

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one other thing that you may want to look at is the blu-ray technology, will it last?

i'm not so sure... blu-ray and hd-dvd are battling each other for supremacy, but where blu-ray has faulted is in the porn business, they do not produce adult dvd's... i'm not trying to be perverted, but if you think about it, there is no way a company can survive without letting a multi-billion dollar business use your service...

360 uses hd-dvd technology, but offers it as an add-on that you buy seperately, that's why the system is cheaper, it gives you the option to buy it, it's not included in the price which is to your benefit, i'm waiting to see if this technology holds... and if it does, i'll buy the add-on...




Blu-ray will win out, I'm sorry to burst your bubble.


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Biggest reason I won't play the 360............


The controller.

I absolutely hate it.


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So much for Resident Evil only on Xbox 360...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/805/805931p1.html

2010 for RE5 on PS3.


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Biggest reason I won't play the 360............


The controller.

I absolutely hate it.




Just go to show, we all think differently. The biggest reason I never got into the ANY of the Playstations is the controller. So small... I actually thought the original Xbox controller (the big one) was one of the best ever. It was just so comfortable to me. The DC controller was pretty decent as well.

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Biggest reason I won't play the 360............


The controller.

I absolutely hate it.




Just go to show, we all think differently. The biggest reason I never got into the ANY of the Playstations is the controller. So small... I actually thought the original Xbox controller (the big one) was one of the best ever. It was just so comfortable to me. The DC controller was pretty decent as well.




Like you said each to thier own, I love the PS controller so classic. The original Xbox and the 360 controller I can't stand. There is however a connector to let you plug your 360 controller into the PS3.


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microsoft has nailed it with their next gen IMO...

their controlling things now with attracting developers to a system that is easy to develop for... online gaming is the future and they control that as well...

their price is perfect... I dont want a home theatre system, I want a gaming system. I don't need wifi ... my router is right there ... I don't need bluetooth... for what??

sony IMO essentially came out with the 3DO of this generation... too powerful .. too expensive .. too ahead of its time ..


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nailed it with their next gen IMO...




They nailed on how to make a cosole with a high failure rate.

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their controlling things now with attracting developers to a system that is easy to develop for




People put too much stock into this. The PS1 & 2 were both hard to develop for at first and then Sony fine tuned the tools and dev kits. We all see how those systems panned out.

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online gaming is the future and they control that as well...




They have the best online service yes, control no. Sony is trying to catch up with the online community. MS had the live service since last gen and it wasn't great out of the box. It took time. Sony just started with a real online community this gen it will also take time to fine tune it. IMO Microsoft will still have the better service if PSN stays free, but if Sony starts charging and put real effor they can compete.

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sony IMO essentially came out with the 3DO of this generation... too powerful .. too expensive .. too ahead of its time ..




yet it's selling better than the PS1 and PS2 in thier first year. I guess you didn't hear about the $100 price cut that spurred sales. Rumor is they might make another cut before X-mas.

$400 PS3 will shorten the gap quickly with the 360 and the Wii is going to stay on top till the end of it's cycle. The PS3 will last longer and eventually may take the lead, but only at the end of it's cycle.


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Petey,

The 360 is the best all-around game system, IMO.

Better games, best controllers, superior on-line gaming.

If you do not have to have it, I would wait. That is what I'm doing. Going to wait for a price drop and then get the 360 Elite.

Be careful around here. There are quite a few fanboys that provide misinformation about the 360.

Make your own choice.

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I was reading an article on Gamespot with the developers of the upcoming PS3 game Infamous. They were giving props to the cell processor's power and the ability to program on it. From what I hear, they're just starting to tap it's power. Once they start getting the used to the PS3, I can only imagine the type of games that will come. People forget it's only been out for 8 months. I have a feeling that around this same time next year, we'll see a lot of gorgeous games out, and even more in development.


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Petey,

The 360 is the best all-around game system, IMO.

Better games, best controllers, superior on-line gaming.

If you do not have to have it, I would wait. That is what I'm doing. Going to wait for a price drop and then get the 360 Elite.

Be careful around here. There are quite a few fanboys that provide misinformation about the 360.

Make your own choice.




You tell him to make his own choice, but pimp the 360 telling him how it's superior without mentioning the other 2 systems.


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Petey,

The 360 is the best all-around game system, IMO.

Better games, best controllers, superior on-line gaming.

If you do not have to have it, I would wait. That is what I'm doing. Going to wait for a price drop and then get the 360 Elite.

Be careful around here. There are quite a few fanboys that provide misinformation about the 360.

Make your own choice.




You tell him to make his own choice, but pimp the 360 telling him how it's superior without mentioning the other 2 systems.




Best controllers? I'm sorry I don't know how that 360 thing could beat the orginal playstation design.

Playstation controller=best ever.

Just doing a little bit of my own pimping.


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Yeah, I love the PS3 controller, it's simple and comfortable. The Sixaxis is very light and comfortable. On the other hand, the Xbox's controllers are bigger and bulkier. The 360's button's seem -eyed, making it very odd, especially for me as a lefty. Like I said, the biggest reason I don't like the 360 is the controller.


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You tell him to make his own choice, but pimp the 360 telling him how it's superior without mentioning the other 2 systems.




You do know what "IMO" means, don't you?

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Well you say we provide "misinformation," and go on to give insight on the 360, but not on the others. Then say make your own choice. You didn't give him anything to choose from.


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I don't want a home theatre system


This is how I feel. If I want a blu ray, or hd player I will buy one. I don't want to use my gaming system for that. I bought a Wii when they came out, with the intention of buying as PS3, or a 360 after I get married. Even with all the PS1, and PS2 games I have, I am leaning towards getting a 360.


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This is how I feel. If I want a blu ray, or hd player I will buy one. I don't want to use my gaming system for that. I bought a Wii when they came out, with the intention of buying as PS3, or a 360 after I get married. Even with all the PS1, and PS2 games I have, I am leaning towards getting a 360.




But for $100 more (PS3 over XBox 360 20GB) or $20 more (PS3 over Xbox Elite) it's not a bad deal. I love Bluray. I own Casino Royal and it is a beutiful movie in HD. But it takes a HDTV to see it. (I have a 40" Sony Bravia 1080p LCD HDTV)

It's more about the games though. If you like Halo will get a 360, If you like MGS get a PS3, if you like Zelda get a Wii. Take a long look at what games you want in the next year or two and what systems they are on and make your decision.

I do want to caution anyone getting a 360 to wait until they put the 65nm chip in the Elite (which should be this fall). That should take care of all future overheating problems. If you don't want to wait you will recieve a 3 year warranty but they will just get it working and send it back. They won't fix the problem from reoccuring. MS said they will not do a recall.


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I don't want a home theatre system


This is how I feel. If I want a blu ray, or hd player I will buy one. I don't want to use my gaming system for that. I bought a Wii when they came out, with the intention of buying as PS3, or a 360 after I get married. Even with all the PS1, and PS2 games I have, I am leaning towards getting a 360.




I think this is my feeling also. I never once watched a movie on my PS2. I also have a hard time believing that they are throwing in a very good product for that price. If it cost you so much for a blu ray player than why would they give you one for $100. I would rather buy a game system and after the battle between HD and Blu Ray plays out then get my theatre system.

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They nailed on how to make a cosole with a high failure rate.




Never had a problem with mine...

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People put too much stock into this. The PS1 & 2 were both hard to develop for at first and then Sony fine tuned the tools and dev kits. We all see how those systems panned out.




Not true... find me anyone who complained about using ps1 and ps2 sdk's...

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They have the best online service yes, control no. Sony is trying to catch up with the online community. MS had the live service since last gen and it wasn't great out of the box. It took time. Sony just started with a real online community this gen it will also take time to fine tune it. IMO Microsoft will still have the better service if PSN stays free, but if Sony starts charging and put real effor they can compete.





Sounds at least like you understand Sony doesn't even come close in the online department. Is it too little to late.... for me it was. And I am guessing for millions of others it will be to.

Sony has turned there console into a novelty already.... Will be just like Sega CD, Panasonic 3do, Turbo Graffix, Sega Dreamcast, etc...

By the time developers get around to using all the uneeded power and complexity of the ps3, xbox 720 will be coming out using what Sony blazed for them. Microsoft isn't stupid. Sony's whole stategy of the ps3 being out for 10 years is rediculous... After 5 years any console's hardware is going to be outdated... it won't happen.

Either way I guess I'll never change your mind... You prefer Sony, I prefer Microsoft. Kinda like I preferred nfl 2k and many others preferred Madden. To each his own.


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xbox 360's controller > any playstation controller

it's just better... and i love the feel of the soft plastic or whatever it is they use, so comfortable...

the first xbox controller was an aboslute mess, and then they slimmed it down, and when they released the 360 controller, they perfected it...

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Not true... find me anyone who complained about using ps1 and ps2 sdk's...





I was very into gaming from '99-'01 (my pre-teen/early teen years) and I can safely tell you that it was very well documented that the PS2 was the hardest system to develop for of its generation.

Developers were having a hell of a time figuring out how to tap into the PS2's Vector Units.

In the order from easiest to hardest it was GameCube (which is why if you're a sharp programmer, GC games could look better than Xbox games, it was easier to tap the potential), Dreamcast, Xbox (a glorified PC, developers knew how to program for it but the architecture of a PC is TERRIBLY INEFFICIENT for gaming), and PS2.

This is why 2nd gen Dreamcast games looked above and beyond better than PS2 1st gen software, and 1st gen PS2 software had jaggies galore.

PS1 was easier than the N64 to develop for, but the Saturn was an absolute mess.

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Sega Saturn.. i remember that.. haha..


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Sounds at least like you understand Sony doesn't even come close in the online department. Is it too little to late.... for me it was. And I am guessing for millions of others it will be to.

Sony has turned there console into a novelty already.... Will be just like Sega CD, Panasonic 3do, Turbo Graffix, Sega Dreamcast, etc...

By the time developers get around to using all the uneeded power and complexity of the ps3, xbox 720 will be coming out using what Sony blazed for them. Microsoft isn't stupid. Sony's whole stategy of the ps3 being out for 10 years is rediculous... After 5 years any console's hardware is going to be outdated... it won't happen.

Either way I guess I'll never change your mind... You prefer Sony, I prefer Microsoft. Kinda like I preferred nfl 2k and many others preferred Madden. To each his own.




Novelty? Have you even seen the games that are slated to come out for PS3 in the next year? The primo titles for PS3 haven't even come out yet, the line for 2008 is amazing. Sony is just getting started.

Look, it comes down to this...

If you're buying a system for NOW, the Xbox360 is probably the right choice. It's been out for a year and half, the library is there. If you don't mind waiting for a year for big name games for PS3, grab a PS3 while the price is down. We may have to suffer for a year with a 30 fps NCAA and Madden 08 (I know about the 60 fps rumor), but we get complete rebuild from the ground up next season.

Like the above poster said, go to the store, play around iwth the controllers, find out what's comfortable for you. Check out sites like www.gamespot.com and www.ign.com Check the release dates, previews, see what's coming out, what interests you.

Other than that, good luck with your choice.


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Blue-ray is 100% top of the line, you practically can't get better than it.

If you have an HD television it's definitely worth it, JMO.

Just to point out, blockbuster is working to switch ot blue ray in the future, so I guess it would be good to have something like that.

I watched Goodfellas last night, and it looked un'freaking believable.

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Have you tried HD dvd"s. They are supposed to be just as good right? I just hope one beats out the other soon.


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Well, it depends what kind of tv you have though.

I mean, some people say blue-ray looks better than HD DVD, and others say the oppisite.

But in all honesty, some movies probably look better on HD DVD, and others on blue-ray.

Seeing as how Blockbuster is putting them up all over their stores in the nation, blueray already as an early edge.


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I have played both, and IMO I like the 360 much better. I have the 360, and my friend has the PS3. I am always bringing over the 360 to my friends house so we can play it online. If you like online gaming, IMO 360 is the way to go.

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xbox 360's controller > any playstation controller

it's just better... and i love the feel of the soft plastic or whatever it is they use, so comfortable...

the first xbox controller was an aboslute mess, and then they slimmed it down, and when they released the 360 controller, they perfected it...





See, I just can't figure that out. Maybe it's me. I was over my friend's playing the 360 and it got to a point where I seriously was ready to throw the controller down and say I really don't want to play. It's too awkward. The buttons and control pad aren't even lined up evenly, it's like at an odd angle. I just don't like it at all.


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Never had a problem with mine...





That's good to hear and I hope it stays that way for you but MS already annouced yours and everyone elses has a design flaw.

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People put too much stock into this. The PS1 & 2 were both hard to develop for at first and then Sony fine tuned the tools and dev kits. We all see how those systems panned out.


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Not true... find me anyone who complained about using ps1 and ps2 sdk's...





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So the real question is perhaps not which architecture is better but which one developers will spend the time and effort to optimize for. Recall that the PlayStation 2 also had a complex AMP design with multiple vector units that needed complex coding to really shine. The PS2 was also hampered by poor initial library support by Sony, and many early titles reflected these problems. I worked at EA during the development of the first NBA game for the PS2, and it was an ugly sight: the majority of the programming team quit halfway through, and the end result was a jaggy mess, visibly inferior to basketball games that had been developed for the Sega Dreamcast. None of this ended up mattering, however. The PS2 went on to bury the Dreamcast and dominate the console wars for its generation, selling over 100 million units, five times more than the Xbox and GameCube. It didn't matter that the PS2 was hard to develop for. Programmers just had to bite the bullet and figure it out.



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They have the best online service yes, control no. Sony is trying to catch up with the online community. MS had the live service since last gen and it wasn't great out of the box. It took time. Sony just started with a real online community this gen it will also take time to fine tune it. IMO Microsoft will still have the better service if PSN stays free, but if Sony starts charging and put real effor they can compete.



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Sounds at least like you understand Sony doesn't even come close in the online department. Is it too little to late.... for me it was. And I am guessing for millions of others it will be to.





I already said 360's online gaming is better. But you have to pay for it so I would expect that. If Sony keeps thier online free it will never be as good as MS's because they won't have the money to do it. There is a reason Live is $50 a year, they use that money to make Live the best.

But the last time I checked I can get online and play games just fine on the PS3.

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Sony has turned there console into a novelty already.... Will be just like Sega CD, Panasonic 3do, Turbo Graffix, Sega Dreamcast, etc...




Sony has better support and money than any of those other consoles. It will not be like any of them.

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By the time developers get around to using all the uneeded power and complexity of the ps3, xbox 720 will be coming out using what Sony blazed for them. Microsoft isn't stupid. Sony's whole stategy of the ps3 being out for 10 years is rediculous... After 5 years any console's hardware is going to be outdated... it won't happen.





Fanboy rant at it's finest. Lol, I guess you miss E3 or at least ignored Sony's confrence. Developers are already figuring it out and Sony is spending a lot of money to make better kits. They moneyhatted Epic to finish the UE3 for the PS3 which is the same engine that Gears runs. There are a lot of games on the slate for early next year that will use it, including the PS3's own "Gears-Like" game by Epic.

I guess you don't really understand the 10 year plan. The PS2 has been out 7 years and it still outsells both the 360 and the PS3. Games are still being made for it and it can easily last 2 more years. That's 9 years so how is the PS3's 10 year talk so outlandish?

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Either way I guess I'll never change your mind... You prefer Sony, I prefer Microsoft. Kinda like I preferred nfl 2k and many others preferred Madden. To each his own.




I don't prefer Sony or MS or Nintendo, I prefer games. Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid and Socom are my favorite games. I can only play them on the PS so that is the first system I bought this gen. I am really excited for Mario Galaxies so I plan on buying a Wii soon. I am also a huge Zelda fan so I want Twilight Princess and Mario Kart next year.

There isn't many Exclusive games that I want on the 360. I do want to play Gears and Gears 2 when it comes out. I want to beat Halo 3 because I beat Halo 1 & 2 but that;s about it for the time being.I plan on getting a 360 Somtime early 08, maybe around March when I will get my first Bonus of 08.


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i know when i have some money to waste.. im going to get the PS3...


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Blu-Ray has the edge because every single PS3 that is sold = another Blu-Ray player in someones house.


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