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The other Kizer thread being locked ... figured what better way to start off a new one ....

Here we go again ....

DeShone Kizer - QB - Browns

Coach Hue Jackson named rookie DeShone Kizer the Week 8 starter against the Vikings.

Kizer has been yanked from the game in each of his past two starts and was benched in Week 6 in favor of Kevin Hogan, who was a total disaster himself. The Browns have nowhere else to turn; Jackson isn't a fan of Cody Kessler because of his size and lack of arm strength, and Hogan proved he's not any better than Kizer. Kizer can't stop turning the ball over, especially in the scoring area. The Vikings are an elite streaming option despite being across the pond in London.

I wonder if the leash will be longer or shorter this week for Kizer.

I really wanted to see CK get a chance ...

He made 2 or 3 passes we’ve never seen him make before .. the one down the seem to 85 and the one to the sideline to 85 ... there may have been another ..

it was brief but there was some improvement there from last year and what we saw in pre-season ....

I firmly believe we would have won if not for Joe going down ...

I thought CK showed enough to get the start ...

Plus Kizer shouldn’t have seen the field this year anyhow .... and this yanking him/ starting him ... its not good for him ..

I tend to agree on Kessler. He definitely showed enough to warrant the start this week. I also agree that Kizer shouldn't have started this season. He was/is too raw. At this point I believe Hue wants him to be the starter but is also (as we've seen) willing to yank him like he would any other QB. Whether that's good or not remains to be seen.

On a side note, as far as evaluating Kizer heading into next season, I hope they don't just look at stats (I know you're a big fan of stats, Diam!LoL!). His numbers can be bad as long as he shows he's doing the things he needs to do. There are so many variables that he can't just be measured in stats. That being said, the INTs are troubling - especially repeated mistakes if they're happening.

Hogan is the best QB on the team!! Kessler needs the best offensive line in the league to succeed along with killer weapons. Kizer can't hit the side of a barn!!!

Well with Thomas out, he’s gonna be getting hit into the side of the barn.

bwwahahahahhahahaahhaa, thanks for the laugh

Kizer being named the starter was obvious after watching the film. Same analysis as post-game: He played extremely well on all but two passes. Unfortunately for Kizer, those two passes were worst case scenario, which seems to be a continuing pattern for him.

The worst part, however, is Hue's decisions to bench Kizer aren't having the desired result. Kessler missed more plays than Kizer did, didn't move the ball any better and similarly turned the ball over. Kessler again proved he's what he's always been: The heart of a champion, the arm of a prepubescent child who tragically lost both arms in a terrible accident. He's not an NFL quarterback.

So the question becomes - Is Hue finally, for once, actually going to stand by his decision?

The most ugly moment in Hue's year, in my opinion, was when he stood by Kevin Hogan. Didn't consider benching him in Houston, he said. Wanted to stand by his decision, he said. That'd be great if he hadn't benched a rookie for making similar mistakes the week before and the week after.

I hate losing, but I can handle watching a rookie QB feel his way through the darkness. I can't handle pretending Kevin Hogan or Cody Kessler are the future, present or even the past. They're not. Neither of them will ever be starting quarterbacks in the NFL.

Hue has made his decision, but for once, he needs to stand by it.

Just flat out sick of the stupid decisions that are being made.

I agree. That throw to Britt in OT - where Britt gagged it and then got "injured" - was a terrific throw in that situation and with crazy pressure from his blind side.

He should have gone with Kessler this week. Give him the 1st team reps. Consider the situation over the bye week - including what to do at LT - and maybe come back to Kizer in the following week.

How Hue is handling this situation is nothing short of a joke.

What the HECK is he thinking? Or doing? Or anything?

I wish hue would have announced that kizer would be the starter for the duration of the season, come hell or high water....or interceptions.

With Joe being out, Kizer's mobility and athleticism gives you a better chance. JMO

Kessler has some sleeper wheels though bro. He’s mobile enough.

He's WISHY WASHY and his word is no good!!!

he can move , and hes quick, but he is not agile at all. cant move around well in the pocket, is what I meant. Kizer is 10X the athlete, and I think joe being out is part the reason kizer is in.

that, I think kizer played well last week minus those two picks, and hue probably like what he saw outside of them.

Kessler made some nice throws, but he left a lot on the field with some bad ones

Even though i’m Quoting U .. this is for a lot of U ..

Normally I’d agree with you ... every situation is different ... not saying i agree with Hue but based on what we’ve seen from Hue ... saying that would have been dumb ...

Hue is doing everything he can to win a football game ... thats why he pulled DK after the 2nd pick last week ... the man is LITERALLY JONESING FOR A WIN ... and thats not a slam on Hue .. its in his DNA ... i think it leads to some bad coaching decisions .. like this one .. BUT I get it ...

Starting around week 10 or so last year ... u could see Hue when they panned to the sidelines .. he looked HORRIBLE .. the man was emotionally beat up .. he couldn’t take the losing .. my guess is he felt personally responsible for it ..

But u could literally see week by week as the losses piled up that he looked worse every week ... i even said around week 14 or so that these losses are taking their toll on Hue and he looks like crap ...

It took about 3 weeks for it to start this year ... Hue is starting to not look good .. this year he actually looks unhappy to me when they pan to him ... and i think he loves his job ... he literally can’t handle the losing ... ITS EATING HIM UP INSIDE ... its not a slam on Hue ... its just how he’s wired ...

Two weeks ago ... they panned over when we ere on D ... stood there for about 10 seconds .. he was just staring down at the play sheet like he was looking for a miracle on it ..

I agree it’s everything u said about Kizer .... EVERYTHING ...

You’ll need to tell me other than the pick witch other bad passes your reffering to ... i have the game still ... maybe i’ll Go re-watch again ,,, til then ...

You’ll need to tell me the bad passes CK threw that your reffering to .. obviously the pick was horrendous ...

DK was playing well until the INT's. That would be those rookie mistakes we have heard about; look good with a few throws and then the bad one. It was to be expected.

The 1st pick wasn’t a rookie mistake ... it was an innacurate pass ... he overthrew an open reciever .... tab is correct in questioning his viability as a long term starter because of said accuracy ...

We don’t know if the game will ever click for him mentally ... but it won’t matter if he can’t fix the accuracy problems ...

The 2nd pick may or may not have been a rookie mistake ... i could make a case either way .. on that pass .. one of 3 things happend ....

1. He locked onto the reciever and never saw dude ...

2. Dude fooled him .. dropped back ...

Actually theres only 2 options ... *L* ..

And they both could be rookie mistakes ...

So lets comprimise ... 1 was a rookie mistake .. the other one was simply a bad pass ...

Anyone besides me notice the success Kizer had last week during the first half with short and intermediate passes in the middle? I thought, halle-freaking-lujah! Then it seemed like Hue went back to his same basic bull$#!% deep and down the sidelines and it all went south.

Hopefully, with some success in the middle, Hue can start helping this young man succeed. Of course he does have to stop with all the INTs. That's on him and he better get it together or he'll be out of the league in two years.

Kizer looked better this past game and was hitting guys that weren't the first read and reading the field quicker.

His INT's were the result of being baited by DB's that noticed he was staring down his WR's.

With JT out, I am actually not a fan of starting him this week because he's probably going to revert to bad habits under pressure.

It seemed like he learned more in one week off the field than he did during the 5 weeks on it.

Does it really even matter who starts anymore?

They’re all going to play again at some point.

O/U is set at the 3rd quarter before he gets yanked again.

Having to play QB while constantly looking over your shoulder is less than ideal.

Kizer is in a bad spot... I've played for coaches who have that quick trigger that will yank you for a mistake and it's very hard to play under those circumstances.. you don't feel like you have the freedom to take a chance, everything is so careful and cautious that you end up not doing much. You just can't relax and PLAY...

I would expect a ton of check downs, I would expect a lot of passes low around the knees where if they aren't caught they fall to the ground, I would expect almost no deep throws unless the guy is WIDE open, I would expect a lot of coverage sacks/pressure as he looks for guys that are wide open... that's how you play when you are afraid that if you make a mistake or two that you will be yanked.

First play of Q2 and the crap play calling started again. Q1 was an OC tailoring his game to his rookie QB. Mind-boggling actually.

How radical...

Up until last week he’d been doing all that anyhow ...

Hue had a GREAT GAME plan for him IMO ... that helped immensely ..

I don’t blame Hue one bit for taking him out ... this team needs a win and Kizer threw two more picks in his last two possessions ...

It sucks it happend .. and its bad for Kizer ... but his development can not be the sole driving force behind everything we do at this point ..

We need a win for the teams sake and for Hue’s health ... thats not a joke ..

I'm not sure how yanking, starting, yanking and etc is good for his development.

Like DC said, this has got to effect his mental state and make him less wanting to pull the trigger/play his game. The pressure has got to be collapsing I would imagine. Hue is either pushing him because it's the right thing to do to test him/get the most out of him... or because he's a flat out moron.

What? Scapegoat for what?

Hypothetically speaking, if the Browns fire Hue and only Hue after the season and keep the FO... and then the Browns go on to win 10 games next year, will people say poor Hue was never given a chance to success or will people finally realize that Hue was part of the problem?

Agree. The 1-22 record is weighing heavily on Hue you can see the stress taking it's toll on him. Hell, he nearly broke down in tears in press conference last year because of the mounting losses and the losses are continuing to mount.

All this pressure to win and the constant losing is causing him to make irrational coaching decisions. In a stable environment, no coach yo-yo's a rookie QB like this. Kizer is 21 and going to continue throw picks and make poor decisions. I think he's going to become more defiant and start to lose it as the losses continue to pile up.

I know what you mean about him staring at the play sheet. He's looking for answers that just aren't there. The FO did him absolutely no favors.

What a mess.

Doesn't really matter who starts, we are now playing for the #1 pick in 2018.

Maybe that's why we're starting Kizer. . .

Levels.

It’s certainly not because we’re expecting to win.

... the first pick?

Been there and got ankle and concussion issues.

Next up!

Do you purposely try to make the dumbest posts on each and every thread or is it a natural gift?

This coming from the guy who took the time to PM me asking me to "stop the personal attacks. " This is the crap people are talking about with you. Your post is zero about football and its only purpose is a personal attack.

just remember guys....this team sucks...thats why we argue.