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Mac, you are just skating here. We know you are only talking about the Redskins receivers. Your stats were wrong...

Actually mac's stats are right, he was talking about just the Redskins WRs, not the TEs or RBs, just the WRs.

Here is the stats:

Player Rec Yds Yds/Rec Long TD
Jordan Reed 26 206 7.9 20 2
Chris Thompson 23 366 15.9 74 3
Jamison Crowder 19 149 7.8 30 0
Terrelle Pryor 18 223 12.4 44 1
Ryan Grant 16 177 11.1 34 2
Vernon Davis 15 292 19.5 69 1
Josh Doctson 7 129 18.4 52 2
Samaje Perine 5 30 6 16 1
Niles Paul 2 29 14.5 32 0
Rob Kelley 2 14 7 9 0
Brian Quick 1 11 11 11 0
Mack Brown 1 11 11 11 0

Ah, a trick question; very deceptive, mac. Do you include the slot position as a WR? Your premise is very narrow and doesn't tell the whole story...

... until we started talking about dropped passes... and then you switched to the whole NFL.

...anything, as long as it fits the narrative, right?

Interesting how there isn't one of the Browns players with the most dropped passes. I see Britt, Devalve, and Louis with 2 each... but I recall people saying we had 8-9 in one game...

Pryor is listed as having 2.

One thing your stats don't show mac is that the whole Redskins WR group is only on pace to catch 120 some passes this year compared to well over 200 last year. Why the huge drop in production?

"Drop" is probably a bad word in this discussion. "Decline" might be preferable...

j/c:

I didn't know where else to put this and didn't think it was necessary to start another thread. But it does relate to the FO more than anything else.

This is an interesing topic/video pertaining to the 2018 offseason-- a good amount of QBs might be hitting the market, and coupled with the amount of good QBs expected to get drafted, it could make for an interesting beginning to the 2018 football calendar. A good take by Schefter, IMO.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21166014

I watched him drop 2 in their first game .. i watched him drop 1 or 2 Monday night ... on the 2nd one he got hit hard but he still DROPPED IT ...

I’ve seen 4 myself ... no clue what their criteria is ... but to me ... its way to LENIANT ...

BYE Bye mac ... not wasting time on your hard head .. not a slam ... just don’t have the time ..

We’ll have to agree to disagree my friend ..

That list seems inaccurate. For example:



I have counted 6. He had 3 in one freaking game.

Interesting.

But, there's no way they (as in NY) trade Eli... and why even mention Sam Bradford? He's almost always hurt and it's just proven knee issues. Proven, time for him to retire IMO.

But yeah, Cousins tagged twice. Bress unable to be tagged. A lot of people are saying Darnold and Allen aren't worhty, but a lot of people are... IDK, interesting to see what happens in terms with us relating to these needed QBs. Whatever GM brings us a QB will, forever, be a Legend.

diam...all I can tell you is that I checked two different sources and both listed Pryor with just 2 drops.
I thought the stats were not up to date..but they both had the same stats.

Like it or not, Kenny Britt is the face of the franchise...

Browns’ Kenny Britt hates playing in London

Posted by Michael David Smith
October 26, 2017, 12:11 PM EDT
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The Browns are playing in London on Sunday, and receiver Kenny Britt isn’t happy about it.

Britt, who played in London with the Rams last year, didn’t enjoy that experience and isn’t looking forward to this week’s trip either.

“I hated London, hated it,” Britt said, via ESPN. “I hated it with a passion.”

Britt said there was “nothing” positive about the experience of playing overseas.

“I hated everything about it,” Britt said. “I hated the flight. I hated us being there so long. I hated the flight back. I hated the food. You can ask my wife the same thing, and she’ll give you the same answer.”

Plenty of NFL players have expressed the opinion that they don’t like the long trips and unfamiliar surroundings that come with a London game. But with the NFL seeming to have reached peak popularity in the United States, the owners are committed to making London the next market where the sport can grow. Players are going to keep playing in London, whether they like it or not.

As the article states at the end, I don't think he is the only player that feels that way.

Well maybe the Brits don't like you either, Britt.

Not our franchise....

I don't understand why this guy keeps talking to reporters. If I was doing as poorly as I was at my job as he is now, I'd be keeping my head so low I'd be a freakin' ghost.

I would've never thought that "not being a *butt*" was something someone had to work at.

Oh really? And Joe Thomas is not? Laughable, mac.

Let's put the stats out there and let the chips fall where they may:

Pryor 33 targets, 18 rec (54.5%), 223 yds, 12.4 ave, yac 55, 13 1st downs

Louis 39 targets, 21 rec (53.88%), 250 yds, 11.9 ave, yac 55, 13 1st downs

And for fun, let's throw in...

Britt 27 targets, 10 rec (37.0%), 128 yds, 12.8 ave, 5 1st downs

Reed and Davis combined for over 100 receptions and close to 1300 yards in 2016. Reed, specifically, was top ten in most TE recieving categories (and that's missing 4 games). And rushing yards were about 1500 yards.


The "game plan" hasn't changed.

Mac, you are correct in that they are running the ball a bit more this year:

2017 27.8 att/game, average 4.1 yds/att

2016 23.7 att/game, average 4.5 yds/att

It's a shame Ricardo Louis is having a nasty case of the drops, he's certainly looked improved this season.

He's getting open more, his routes are much more crisp, and he appears to know what he's doing. I fell for Louis a little on the Kevin Hogan pick six against Houston because Louis SPRINTED down the field in pursuit. He had no chance of getting there, but it didn't stop him trying, and I admire that.

Through only seven games, his catch percentage is up, his yards are up and so are his first down receptions. Unfortunately, he's had a good 6-8 drops that have spoiled a nice start to year two that could have earned him more playing time.

It's those damn body catches. Can't fall in to that habit. I really hope he can put it all together. He's such a talented kid. Big, strong and lightning fast. He reminds me Quincy Enunwa for the Jets, who is unfortunately struggling with injuries but looks like a rising star when he gets on the field.

I hope he can put it all together as the season progresses.

Unrest between FO and Staff

Not sure if this was posted or not. If this is true, I think Shashi needs to man up or get out.

I think what needs to be part of this discussion is the recent emergence of Josh Doctson who missed all last season with an injury. He seems like he is becoming a important recieving option for Cousins and is generating stats starting Week 3. We'll see if he trends upwards or not.

Sashi? Or Hue?

Cuz, if that article is right, then Hue needs to simply not play him. Pretty simple.

mac, other than visiting stat sites, have you actually watched Pryor play? He's not good.

Not entirely sure exactly what the rift is (though I certainly can guess), but Jackson needs to have his own way as to who sees the field and who sits. Sashi can keep him on the 53 man roster, but Jackson doesn't have to play him...

He's not looking good. I was one who wished we had signed him to stay here, but at this point I don't see anything that seem to make that thought process to be the correct one. Of course I'm not the one getting paid a seven figure salary that thought Britt would be an upgrade either. So there's that. lol

Doctson 14 targets, 7 rec (50.0%), 129 yds, 18.4 ave, 11 yac, 6 1st downs

If shashi is will not admit he made a mistake - and is running an iron fist and making britt be played and still on the team, shashi.

The new York Yankees just fired joe giradi for beating the favored Indians but still falling short of the WS. And our world class organization is pulling crap like this.

Mac ... i watch a lot of games ... i’ve Seen him in two games drop 4 myself .... have heard he’s dropped some in all the other games also ...

But like i said .. i saw him drop 4 in the 2 full games i watched ..

Thats why .... STATS ARE FOR ...

Vers pointed out that Louis has 2 drops according to that list ..... ..

Maybe thats a per game average ... *L* ..

Were just going to have to agree to disagree ...

There is absolutely no basis that says Sashi is forcing Hue to play Britt.

Look at what Mike Tomlin is doing in Pitt. He doesnt have 53 man control, but he is telling Bryant to go kick rocks.

The FO has plenty of blame to take on signing Britt. But Hue is the one who keeps him active and starting.

Pit, I think Pryor's numbers speak more to just how pathetic our receivers are than they do about Pryor. In Washington, he is just another guy. Nothing special. In Cleveland, he was the best receiver by a wide margin.

Our talent level at WR and QB sucks. But people still wanna blame Hue for our problems.