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The first charges have been filed through the grand jury and the subject should be brought in by Monday.

Who is it going to be.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html

Washington (CNN)A federal grand jury in Washington, DC, on Friday approved the first charges in the investigation led by special counsel Robert Mueller, according to sources briefed on the matter.

The charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge. Plans were prepared Friday for anyone charged to be taken into custody as soon as Monday, the sources said. It is unclear what the charges are.
A spokesman for the special counsel's office declined to comment.
Mueller was appointed in May to lead the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.
Under the regulations governing special counsel investigations, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who has oversight over the Russia investigation, would have been made aware of any charges before they were taken before the grand jury for approval, according to people familiar with the matter.

I'm guessing Manafort.

But how did he bring charges if this investigation is just a witch hunt with no there there? I think Manafort and Don Jr. are in hot water... which one will it be?

No one can suggest that Jr is a traitor because he met with a Russian attorney to hear dirt on Hillary while Hillary and the DNC went to Russia and met with Putin's associates about dirt on Trump and a fake document.

That don't fly.

Manafort spent years putting the Podesta brothers together with Russian Oligarcs.

Jr.'s emails were pretty damning 40. He 'loved it' and knew he was meeting for information on Hillary from the Russian government because they wanted to help dad. So rather you think it will fly or not doesn't mean so much.

"B-b-b-b-bu-bu-bu-bu-but they did it, too!"

Never ceases to amaze me.

It's just an ego-exercise/contest/game to you people, isn't it?

In all honesty, I couldn't care less about the Russia stuff, it's a massive waste of time. The country being held at the whim of a moron in the throes of dementia is a far more pressing matter than how we lie to ourselves about how we wound up with him.

I think the severity of the charge(s) is going to be a good indicator of just how much this investigation has really uncovered.

My guess is that it will be some minor player and they will be charged for something petty like lying to investigators... the same charge they hit Martha Stewart with when they couldn't get anything solid on her.

Now that we've recently seen reports of the Russians launching a concerted bribery campaign aimed at the DNC, and of elements of the Clinton campaign obtaining the fake hooker dossier... where is the line drawn between opposition research vs. collusion?

If you're looking for sources of information to turn in to TV ads, is it really collusion? Does it really matter who that source is considering the worst that could happen is some fact checker gives your add a bunch of Pinnochios?

Now if you get information on your opposition and threaten to release it unless they do something for you, that gets in to the realm of blackmail and extortion. THAT would definitely be illegal.

This is the line of the thread... and it's also why conversations involving this kinda murky stuff are always so lively- both "sides" give each other ample opportunity to feign outrage... all with a wink and a nod. Even here at DT. Why? Because we're all adults here. We know folks.

Systems are for the most part sensible, effective and fair. They are constructed with our highest ideals in mind.
But Humans are messy by nature.

It's why our rules of Politics make so much sense on paper... and work so damn poorly in real life.


"What a piece of work is Man-"

j/c

I wouldn't rule out that the mysterious person behind Grand Jury #1 may very well be a DNC staffer. Remember, this whole collusion allegation stems from the Russian hacking of the DNC emails coupled with the fake hooker dossier. Curiously for as much as the DNC has pushed these allegations, they refused to turn over said server to the FBI for examination. In my experience the victim rarely refuses to cooperate unless they are trying to hide illegal activity of their own.

Personally I think Anthony Weiner's proclivity for young girls was widely known and some of his child porn passed through that server. I say that in only light purple given the revelations of just how many people knew Weinstein was a dirt bag and gave him cover.

But for those who hope there is something on Trump, anything they do find will get tossed out in court if they have no other basis for the investigation than a fake dossier, and a leak by a website that isn't likely to present who their source for the emails was.

2. Or sensitive, unseemly (yet totally legal) stuff, as well.
3. Or truly illegal stuff that might not be pertinent to the immediate case, but would be damaging in its own right, were the word to get out.
4. Or semi-legal stuff that follows 'the letter of the law,' but also rapes 'the spirit.'

Like I said earlier this evening... Human Beings are messy. Complicated, flawed, conflicted beings- one and all. Each and every.

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That was a clever use of pastel.
I'm gonna have to remember that.

Can I borrow it- or do I have to adhere to 'intellectual property law?"
Do you deserve royalties?

To suggest anything I write is "intellectual" is a mighty bold statement. Just remember you have a reputation to uphold!

And please do use it when appropriate. I know purple is for Rookies, but I think we could use a little more splash of color around here. Try to cheer the place up a bit.

The line drawn is probably, in, I dunno, colluding with the foreign government that HACKED the dnc, and yahoo, and all that other nonsense.

I also find it funny that this article comes out, and the first thing you trump supporters do is mention Hillary.

WTF

SSShhhh we got us some super secret charges. You all keep it quiet till Monday. Don't talk about it SSSHHHH. Geez somebody wants to stir the pot all weekend like a brood of witches stirring the cauldron

Anyway, for those who wish to look at this objectively,

This is very interesting. Every time we get some update on the investigation, the trump administration either has something out there to try and deflect, or tries to somehow bring back Hillary into the fold.

For example, this news breaks, and simultaneously trump is demanding all Hillary emails be released.

Talk about a panic job.

A lot of these trump supporters fail to realize that we liberals couldn’t give a crap if Hillary went down for this or not.

If Hillary colluded with the Russians, then lock her ass up too for all I care. It doesn’t change the FACT that trump is his hentchmen are ALSO under investigation.

There’s a reason why mueller’s legal team involved guys with experience in prosecuting cases like money laundering with foreigners, bribery, mafias, etc.

Like I told Haus months ago, and like I told Willit yesterday, if trump is innocent and Hillary is the one, I’ll apologize and start the lock her up chant.

But if trump is guilty?

Eh, don’t worry about it. Cause this board is gonna be awfully quiet. Cause I can see quite a few posters going into hiding.

I have a question as something just doesn't smell right to me...

Why would they announce on Friday that they will arrest and indict someone on Monday?

Is this a ploy to give someone the weekend to panic and indict themselves or others?

It also seems obvious to me whoever they are after is not someone currently serving in the Government because think of the damage a person in a power position could do with an entire weekend to work. Especially when they believe they are going down on Monday. They would have arrested them before the announcement was ever made.

That is a good point.

Well the fact that it wasn't actually "announced" by the investigation itself may help clear that up. It was actually discovered and reported by CNN. So for all we know, you can now call it fake news until Monday. lol

Yea, sure CNN found out.

It was most likely leaked to CNN to get the thing flowing.

It's a sealed federal indictment. This is common practice. What it means is that a magistrate judge has received approval from a grand jury to go forward with an indictment and arrest. It's kept sealed to prevent defendants from finding out on the public record or PACER that they're about to be arrested.

It could mean nothing, it's a fairly common practice. But someone will be getting arrested shortly, most likely a nobody they intend to flip.

But if I were these mentally-handicapped crew of mediocres and mentally-handicapped, I would be sweating, as they are obviously too stupid to not blatantly admit to wrongdoing, let alone cover their tracks.

That goes for the Democrats, as well, actually.

Also, 40, it looks like you missed my question again, so I'll ask once more - why are you confident that a man who thinks health insurance costs $12 a year (and to be fair, on some occasions, he says "$12 a month"), and who has zero knowledge of the particulars regarding the ACA or the two failed bills brought before Congress, will be capable of bringing this country "great health care"?

Well now, that's a bit more "Fair and Balanced".
Somebody's been watching FOX.

Well I guess the reason I am confident is the President doesn't make these decisions, the Congress does.
The President just pushes them to do something, anything and then signs or doesn't sign their decisions when they finally make it to his desk.

Doesn't take a genius, it takes a leader.

A leader actually announces what he wants and expects from congress. He doesn't just tell them to come up with something, anything and he'll sign it.

He goes on the road to explain the plan and sell it to the American people. That's leadership. "We'll see" and "lots of other things" isn't leadership.

No, not always. Especially when you are elected in November and don't get sworn in till January as your party tells you, "We got this". So President Trump figures they had 6 years of planning going into it and he allows them to proceed.

Little did anyone know they were talking out of their necks.

So now he pushes.

He pushes yet gives no vision of what the plan should be. His "let them figure it out" approach isn't leadership.

It was yesterday that you were claiming Trump would pore over the fine details of 401K caps and make an executive decision.

And, no, he's not a genius - he's a man of well below average intelligence suffering from early onset dementia. And, no, he is not a leader, he's a thin-skinned crybaby who lacks empathy or courage and soils his diaper any time he gets his feelings hurt.

Let me put this in analogy form - if Hue Jackson came out today and said "we're going to go 9-7 and win the AFC North. We're going to hit a lot of home runs and 3-point shots, and if we keep putting the eggplant in the flower pot, we might win the Stanley Cup", would you be inspired to think "this guy is going to turn the Browns around"?

Because that's about as non-sensical as Trump is when he discusses health care. He thinks it costs $12 a year (or a month), and that's solely because he's parroting what he hears on life insurance ads during "Fox & Friends".

And if we wanted to carry this outside of Trump, and turn to the parameters of Congress as you suggested - what makes you confident that a plan that has crashed and burned in spectacular fashion everywhere it's been implemented (see KS & LA), would be effective? What gives you hope that the third time is a charm?

Sure it is.

He lets them come up with anything and signs it, even if it sucks.
Next the Democrats are howling so he says ok, ObamaCare is replaced and the new plan needs work so why not come work with me and we fix this thing.

Democrats get off the couch and help him to improve the plan.

In the end, ObamaCare is gone, New plan is in the hands of the States and the Democrats are willing to negotiate, for a change, in order to fix it.

Leadership.

You can't Stump the Trump!

Yea? Show me where I said that.

I do remember saying when they asked Trump about 401k's being touched, he said NO!

You've stated this many times - the "early on set dementia" thing.

What is your medical background, and what qualifies you to state this as fact? (other than personal OPINION?)

So anyways,

Mueller's latest move has Trump's staunchest allies melting down on Twitter

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-t...twitter-2017-10

Man this is sad. I can’t even laugh at the massive meltdowns from conservatives on social media. Saw this one video on FB with a dude crying yelling “Hillary is the real criminal!! So what if trump colluded!”

Man oh man.

He saidvno, then he said Thursay it is back on the tablr

I will have to look again because I don't pay much attention on the weekends. Last I saw was him saying no.

I'm not a doctor, I don't claim the ability to do a medical diagnosis.

But 1: just listen to the man speak

2: if that isn't enough, pull up a clip of him speaking in the 80's or 90's - he's still a moron, but a far more coherent and aware moron.

The man clearly has dementia. How many times now has he held a press event to sign an executive order, only to forget to sign the order and have Pence run down the hall to grab him? Two? Or three?

Actually, none that I am aware of. There was that one though, recently, where he started to leave. He never made it to a hall, and Pence didn't run after him.

Do you have links to others?

Which in itself is like circumnavigating the entire globe to visit your next door neighbor. Dumber TS.

If he really cared, he'd simply tell ALL of them to fix what's already here. It would unite both sides of the aisle, take less than a year of wrangling, and he could take credit for "fixing O's mess."

Leadership.

But that's not the point. That's never been the point. The point is revenge. Always has been with this yutz.

He's been trying to erase any evidence that Obama ever existed, which is st00pit too... because:

History books.
Video
Audio

You can put away the


He's shown zero evidence that he operates on that level at all. You give him far too much credit. That's why it totally baffles me that you carry buckets of water for someone who's far less intelligent than you.

#whataworldwhataworld

First of all, you and PDF like to misquote me.

This is what I really said...

Sure it is.

He lets them come up with anything and signs it, even if it sucks.
Next the Democrats are howling so he says ok, ObamaCare is replaced and the new plan needs work so why not come work with me and we fix this thing.

Democrats get off the couch and help him to improve the plan.

In the end, ObamaCare is gone, New plan is in the hands of the States and the Democrats are willing to negotiate, for a change, in order to fix it.

Leadership.

You can't Stump the Trump!

Here you go.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...xecutive-orders

And, also - let's not boil it down to one incident for breathing room. It's beyond clear listening to the man speak that his mental faculties are fading. If he were a family member, we'd be talking about a nursing home by now, while he rambled about having "a very good brain"* and "knowing all the best words"*.

*both actual Trump quotes

Here is another:

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/...os-pkg-erin.cnn

I believe there is a third, but I could be wrong. My initial question was not hyperbolic.

And not directed at you, arch - but the right in America has gone from fainting when Obama wore a tan suit one day, to arguing that the president may be dumb, but he's not mentally handicapped.

Secondly, Trump is about more than you can see through your hate filled eyes.

"Bullwinkle is a Dope" works fine for you guys but it does nothing to help America.

-An end to Globalism but not global trade.
-An end to the Globalist Nations having America pay for their defense. They are now paying their fare share of the NATO agreement.
-Economic growth and making America Rich again. Ending our being taken advantage of by those we trade with.
-Taking back the streets for the law abiding, hard working Americans who want to live safely, go to work and school without the fear of being killed by gangs that rule many of our streets.
-Immigration control, America for Americans, not illegals.
-An end to the Liberal/Progressive abuses of our Society and indoctrination of our children to be anti American themselves.
-Bringing an end to the Nuclear dominance of North Korea over Southern Asia.
-Bringing an end to the terrorism support by Iran in the middle East.

These things and others is why I support President Trump.
He is undoing years of Liberal Destruction to our Nation and is setting things right again.

Trump is about nothing but Trump.

As I've said, if a genie appeared on the golf course and offered Trump a NYT headline/CNN chyron declaring him a hero, and every pop star, rapper, athlete and movie star wanted to be seen with him, but he'd have to 180 every opinion he has, he would do it in a heartbeat without flinching.



Not only does Trump not understand the basics of this premise, but he doesn't truly care about it. His opinion is fluid based on who strokes his ego.



Not only does Trump not understand the basics of this premise, but he doesn't truly care about it. His opinion is fluid based on who strokes his ego.

Also, wherever you heard this "now paying fair share" thing you've been parroting - they're lying to you.



Not only does Trump not understand the basics of this premise, but he doesn't truly care about it. His opinion is fluid based on who strokes his ego.

Also, he's on the wrong end of how you feel on this issue. He uses illegal immigrant labor constantly (and doesn't pay them).



Not only does Trump not understand the basics of this premise, but he doesn't truly care about it. His opinion is fluid based on who strokes his ego.

Also, this is code for "I'm scared of black and brown people"



Not only does Trump not understand the basics of this premise, but he doesn't truly care about it. His opinion is fluid based on who strokes his ego.

Specifically, on this issue, he bashed Mitt Romney for holding this position in 2012, saying that the GOP has to be less heartless about immigration, and let illegals stay in the county



Not only does Trump not understand the basics of this premise, but he doesn't truly care about it. His opinion is fluid based on who strokes his ego.

Also, this is borderline inane gibberish.



Not only does Trump not understand the basics of this premise, but he doesn't truly care about it. His opinion is fluid based on who strokes his ego.

Also, again, this is borderline gibberish. "nuclear dominance over southern Asia"? Seriously, 40, I'm not going to be nice and not make fun of you for this laughably dumb comment, but Google which southern Asian countries have nuclear weapons.

(HINT: China, India and Pakistan all have viable nuke capablity; NK can barely fire shell rockets).



Not only does Trump not understand the basics of this premise, but he doesn't truly care about it. His opinion is fluid based on who strokes his ego.

Also, the biggest funding of terrorism from the Middle East comes from Saudi Arabia. Trump went there and did the sword dance with them last summer.



I truly hope you are copying and pasting this stuff from somewhere and not thinking it on your own. Because it's so fact-void and intellectually incurious it makes me wince.

As always, get this weak stuff out of here.