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That's because your facts are propaganda you are parroting from con men.

The same people gushing over 3% growth under Trump were crying that we were in hell under 3% growth under Obama.

The economy has not changed - it's still following the same awful path it was before President Dementia took the reins.

Let me break this down in terms you might understand:

If Joe makes $1 a day, and puts it in the bank every day, by day 5, he'll have $5 in the bank. That will be a record high for Joe's bank account. By day 10, he'll have $10. $10 will be a new record high. But nothing has changed between day 5 and 10. The pace is the same.

This is so stupid it makes my teeth hurt.

Companies are bringing in robots because they're cheaper and more efficient than humans.

Where do you hear this stuff you parrot, and do you ever stop to ponder it before you regurgitate it?

Also, you never answered my question:

oh snap...

BUSINESS OWNER: Man, these robots are twice as fast, efficient and accurate. They also cost way less, but I really wish I could find a human instead. Oh, well. Shucks.

Like, seriously, 40, at what point does one think to themselves, 'yeah, that sounds about right'?

Companies are bringing in robots because they're cheaper to run than humans. Robots don't file health claims when they get damaged. Robots are more predictable, more reliable. And it's only going to continue. Great for companies who use them, great for the companies that make them. Not so great for a country of potential workers who are falling behind in tech ed.

This isn't for lack of resources, either. We still have the best tech, but our infrastructure sucks. And it sucks because it hasn't been a priority. And we both know why things are as they are... don't be coy.

*EDIT* Oh, wait- I see someone else got there first.

Oh, well. More is better?

This is a good topic to shed light on President Dementia, and how he dupes rubes.

Remember his first big decree in office? That he saved an Indiana Carrier plant from moving to Mexico?

What happened is "the best negotiator" told Carrier it would slash their tax burden if they didn't move their plant to Mexico. Carrier agreed, and with the tax savings, invested in automating the plants, and laying off the 1,500+ jobs President Dementia bragged about saving.

http://www.businessinsider.com/united-te...er-jobs-2016-12

The best negotiator.

Or, CEO of a rather large construction company tells me "the biggest problem we have hiring people is they can't pass drug tests. We start off at $22 an hour."

That's from a friend of mine.

Another friend, CFO of a plastics company: "We start people at $13 an hour, and we give them a $1 per hour bonus just for showing up to work on time, and working a full 8 hours. It's a weekly bonus. If they show up for work on time for 5 days straight, and work the full shift, they get an extra $40 a week. Just for working. But we can't find people that can pass a drug test AND show up for work consistently."

Or, where my wife works - they can't get employees that can pass a drug test. Pay is a minor issue. Drug use is a major issue.

Robots don't do drugs.

A company can't hire drug users because of liability.

Do the math.

Good paying jobs, right here in n.w. Ohio, that aren't being filled due to drugs.

According to a guy like Mike Rowe, there's 5 million + skilled/trade jobs that need to be filled. I'd argue that skill/trade jobs ARE the very jobs that help build and maintain infrastructure.

I also think those are the types of jobs that once people gain experience in, tend to lead to the creation of small businesses.

So why isn't there a push by the Powers that Be who talk about things like poor infrastructure and those who (incorrectly) decry "trickle down" advocate for more people to follow a path that a) educates them b) provides a good income c) can lead to owning your own business (i.e wealth creation) d) that opens the door for the poor to enter the middle class and e) provides significantly better opportunity for income independence?

Instead we're arguing about how much someone else makes and how unfair it is. We're arguing about whether or not college education should be free (and I'm against that because to date no one supporting free college is willing to address the need for price controls. They complain about the annual increases but won't admit that the current student loan system actually enables and encourages those increases).

While I certainly want to see tax decreases, I think we're distracting ourselves by arguing that income disparity is the fault for the lack of economic improvement in this country. Income disparity is the natural byproduct of a free people. We have to expect that and accept that. Even if we got the Socialist gov't some here want, you still won't get rid of it. Not even the iron fisted Communist regimes of the world haven't delivered on that promise.

Let me try a Browns analogy:

Who complained that Boddie-Calhoun wasn't making the $17 mil Haden was making when he joined the team last year? No one. He's had a great year, but still no one is saying it's unfair that Sashi hasn't offered him a premium contract. He is a CB just like Joe after all.

And why is no one complaining? Simple, because he has yet to produce to the level that got Joe his contract. He has yet to develop and show that skill/talent level. In order to make that cheddar, he has to work to improve himself... likely work harder to overcome obstacles such as not being drafted and other players who may be more naturally gifted than he. Let's assume for this exercise that he finishes this season with a good year, and flat out balls out next year. We'll all be saying how lucky we are that we are getting top level production from a guy who's getting paid bare minimum. In his contract year, many of us will be saying "pay da man!"

Now, here's what people will not have said and won't be saying:

-It's unfair he went to a smaller college than Haden
-It's unfair he wasn't drafted
-It's unfair he wasn't as naturally gifted
-It's unfair other better teams didn't give him a shot
-It's unfair he had to go to work at the Fast Food of NFL franchises the Browns
-It's unfair he had to wait 4 years to get a big payday
-It's unfair that he isn't making as much as a top 5 quarter back

No one says these things and demands that the league do something to make things "fair".. like requiring equal practice and play snap counts for both the Pro Bowl vet and the undrafted rookie. We readily accept that when making an NFL roster there are going to be inherent inequalities in that process.

So if we don't demand an equal outcome there
, why should it be any different of a viewpoint for any other job or profession out there?

**EXTRA CREDIT** Imagine if the NFL made the players agree to taking out a $5 million dollar loan to cover the expense of shoes, uniforms, meals, facility upkeep, playbooks, position coaching, etc before showing up to camp, a loan they had to pay back regardless of how long or successful their career was.

If robots were being used because they can’t find bodies to fill jobs, logically that would mean the unemployment rate is close to zero.

Obviously, that isn’t the case.

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If your friends could afford an automated labor force, they would absolutely choose it over humans, because, as you pointed out, they are more efficient, and in the long-run cheaper.

That's not to say your friends or people you know are bad - they're most likely trying to squeeze a dollar from a dime in a tough market.

But let's not perpertuate 40's "Gee whiz, I'd hire humans if I could" nonsense.

Robots > humans every day of the week if you can pay the upfront costs. That's a no brainer. And it's the biggest crisis facing America today. It shouldn't be ignored for the sake of lukewarm political takes.

Those jobs are gone, and they are not coming back. It's only going to get worse, and it's naive to pretend otherwise. I've been saying this since I joined this board, long before it was common to buy your McDonald's from a machine.

And it seems that the Trump answer to that is to simply, "Convince young people not to try drugs". No funding, no real legislation. His answer to the opioids problem is the same old rhetoric used by many before him.

I guess he never heard of "Just say no" and "This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs." The same old failed policies while trying to claim it was some brilliant idea he came up with.

Same as it ever was.....

I don't feel I was perpetuating anything 40 said.

Road construction can't be done by robots.

The other friend, the CFO, needs employees to simply show up and do what they were hired to do.

Perhaps you and I are on a different page here.

The issue is drugs. The underlying issue is IF there is an accident at work, and the person was found to be on drugs, the liability to the company is huge. Or, "yuge".

Consequently, people that can't pass drug tests don't get hired.

The drug issue is big.

Robots don't do drugs, I get that.

Decent to good paying jobs are available, right here. Not million a year jobs, not $500,000 a year jobs, but jobs that pay a very livable wage - lower middle to upper middle class jobs.

Flash slowed down cause he’s sipping on lean, bro.

I don't know what lean is, and I don't think you caught the analogy there.

What the heck is a middle class anyway. I think Washington DC insiders are often trying to say the right thing by saying they care about the "middle class".
Who can define what a middle class is in 2017. Maybe in 1917, maybe then there was a middle class.

Ignored like the middle child? Best definition I can come up with.

Gee Whiz, looky here...

But as one factory in Wisconsin is showing, the forces driving automation can evolve - for reasons having to do with the condition of the American workforce. The robots were coming in not to replace humans, and not just as a way to modernize, but also because reliable humans had become so hard to find. It was part of a labor shortage spreading across America, one that economists said is stemming from so many things at once. A low unemployment rate. The retirement of baby boomers. A younger generation that doesn't want factory jobs. And, more and more, a workforce in declining health: because of alcohol, because of despair and depression, because of a spike in the use of opioids and other drugs.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio...0805-story.html

You're citing an article paid for and published by the richest man in the world, whose wealth is tied entirely to replacing humans with robots?

"Peanuts Increase Life Expectancy to 115"
by Mr. Peanut

I should have it copied so I can save time just pasting it - but get this weak stuff out of here, 40.

There are some things you will need to come to grips with.

Seven years from now, this will be your President...


https://assets.change.org/photos/0/lp/eg/iAlpEgIjHbHOqOs-1600x900-noPad.jpg?1471138373

I absolutely believe he will win 2 terms. Don't doubt it for a second.

Though there is a chance he dies of a grabber on the toilet while crying and rage tweeting at whoever hurt his feelings that day.

And as to your question, this is what you said:



My issue is, as I said, the notion that this man has any clue about anything in regards to taxes or health care.

Your question presupposes a shrewd and/or thoughtful man, and not someone so incoherent that they would sign a document saying "I am gay for Obama" if an aide said "Sign this "Mr. Trump is Great" bill, sir".

You talk about him like someone who knows what he's doing. When I point out that he doesn't (i.e. he thinks health insurance costs $12/year), you claim that it's on Congress, not him, to iron out the details.

So which is it - do you believe this drooling old moron is astute, or merely a useful tool for Congress to exploit?

I have arch on ignore because of wicked, mean-spirited posts like the above.

PDF has admitted he had a substance abuse problem and that takes a lot of guts to admit. I personally don't care for the dude, but arch replying to his post and bringing up drug users is freaking hateful!!!!

I really don't like PDF, but man, preying on someone's issues in order to win an argument is freaking despicable, and it explains why I have arch on ignore.

Shameful!

No offense, but I dont think arch brought that up because of pdf. I think he brought that up because its an actual problem in society. And because of Trump talking about it in the news the other day.

Just saying.

Now see, that wasn't even close to what you had imagined I said.

As far as your latest question about Trump being a drooling old moron, I guess this best represents my personal thoughts on the matter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZNtYmdZ-4c

You could be right. I did not read the entire thread. I just know that he replied to PDF and brought up drug use. Coincidence?

I have had to deal w/arch's mean-spirited ways for years. I don't trust his intentions.

If I'm wrong..........I apologize, but at the very least, PDF is rehabilitating............perhaps a little consideration for his situation should be considered?

Look, I know PDF despises me and I used to hate his attacking style. But man, perhaps a little compassion is in order? Do you disagree w/that?

From what I know of Arch, we would all be better men if we were even slightly like him.

Just my opinion, but I dont think anyone on this thread is aiming their argument as a slant on pdf. Its simply came up because drugs are a reason why employers are having problems hiring. And there was a bit of discussion on that.


I dont think we should censor subjects in convos because xyz person might have had that problem in the past.

LOL

Okay............we disagree, but I respect your opinion.

Again, I don't like PDF, but man, perhaps a little consideration of his circumstances are in order. I know you don't agree and I am not trying to change your mind. Just expressing my point of view. I wish people would be more understanding of his circumstances.

Nothing funny about it. Arch is a man's man.

And I learned that by actually reading his posts, not skimming.

Years and years of reading what the man has to say and I am impressed.

He doesn't mind being called Awesome but this post of mine will most likely embarrass him so I apologize Arch.

Please don't even reply to it.

Great. I think he is despicable. For example.....he continually makes fun of my Hispanic wife. He bashed my daughter for calling me when a tree fell on her roof. He has questioned me having a tumor in my neck. He has questioned whether or not my son has cancer.

He is a freaking terrible human being.



You can like him. I do not. Different strokes for different folks.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and now you have mine.

Yes, you are right.
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My opinion is that while we might disagree on things, bringing one's family members into the conversation as an attack is off-limits!

Are you really serious with this post?

THAT is what you got out of what I posted?

The topic was jobs and robots. I said what 2 high level executives have told me about their inability to hire people due to drug testing.

Let's go right to PDF: Hey, did you you take my post as an affront to you?

I could go further into your post here, but I won't.

Robots can't brown nose, kiss ass, and suck up like us humans can

Watching the Business and Finance show "Bartiromo" and they were saying...

The numbers: The U.S. grew at a solid 3% annual pace in third quarter despite damage from two hurricanes, according to Commerce Department data. That’s above economist expectations of a 2.7% growth rate, according to a MarketWatch survey, and only slightly below the 3.1% growth rate in the second quarter.

The last time the economy had two consecutive quarters of above 3% growth was in 2014. The government said it couldn’t say exactly how much hurricanes Harvey and Irma sliced from growth in the July-September quarter. Because Puerto Rico is not a state, hurricane Maria does not factor in the government’s GDP calculations.

They reported the biggest thing causing this growth is President Trumps cutting of Regulations on business.

The Obama administration had added 15,000 pages of regulations which many in Congress refer to as Obama's 15,000 Kings James Bibles of regulations.

Oh, for the record, I've never made fun of your hispanic wife.

For someone you supposedly have on ignore, you sure talk about him a lot.

Would you stop your whining and bitching already?