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j/c:

I hope the Browns' scouting staff is focusing a lot of resources to the top QBs in the 2018 draft.

I wish the Browns would move. I really do.

Have them be the London Browns. Or the London whatever's. Although apathy has set in, I'm too emotionally invested to completely turn away. Move the team and the decision is made for me.

Give me my fall Sundays back.

That's where I'm at.

Just go. Seriously. I completely stopped watching this dumpster fire of a franchise about 2.5 seasons ago (the Manziel era was the last straw for me). Stopped even listening on the radio last year (the 17th reboot will NOT be any different than the 16 before it). I still sign on the board and check the score and chuckle at the latest dysfunction - but that's it. I have 0 invested in this crap franchise anymore.

And it's WONDERFUL. I do yard work. I bought a house and sold a house. I go to festivals with my wife. I play with my dogs. It's literally so much more enjoyable just living and enjoying life completely ignoring this garbage.

I don't even follow the draft anymore other than to figure out who the first round busts are going to be based on who the Clowns pick. Good for a laugh and then I move on with my day. It's truly healthier. So stop hanging on man - just go. You'll thank me later.

I think you're right.

I think Hue calling that timeout in the first half finally broke my spirit. It's hard to watch self inflicted stupidity on top of all the other issues.

I'll leave everyone with one parting shot.



Not one single player on that list is currently contributing to the Browns. And all of those players shouldn't just be contributing, they should be above average players considering they were taken in the first round. That list is alarming.

You are being overly harsh. No team has every first round pick from the last ten years contributing. With that said, that list is so so sad.

I wonder if having five head coaches since 2009 has anything to do with that sorry list?

Obviously a lot of those guys busted all by themselves, but still...

It is definitely a contributing factor.

Also, I think it is unfair for Rishuz to say Danny Shelton is not contributing. We have a pretty good run defense and he is a big reason why.

I think you're both making a logic error called "Cause and Effect".

It's not that having 5 head coaches since 2009 has made the Browns bad.

It's that the Browns have been so bad* that they've had 5 head coaches.

* - Specifically, The Browns Ownership.

C ya ... don’t let the door hit u in the ass ...

It's just frustration talking.

I will add I am pretty tried of the incompetence on display.

For once this was a game that was a blowout that seemed closer than the score.

I can only ‘like’ this one time — I too have that same hope

Yeah, watching other games where I see even guys like Craig Robertson starting while the FO is sitting on $100million in cap space is beyond aggravating,.

Well, you ARE only allowed 53 guys, so who do you let go to keep him? It's not a cap space issue, it's a "Which of the 11 linebackers we have in camp are the best 6?"

I was encouraged by what I saw from Kizer. It was a nice step forward. He did a much better job avoiding mistakes, making quick decisions and finding who he needed to hit.

The numbers were great in the first half, but really fell off in the second. A large part of that was drops. Unfortunately, David Njoku played his worst game of the season. I really like him, I think he's got an incredibly bright future, but this will be one to forget. Ricardo Louis is getting to the point where it's time to move in another direction. He can't drop this many passes.

I think Kizer takes far too much heat. He, once again, out performed Mitch Trubisky: and he did it against a pretty impressive Vikings unit with Joe Thomas injured, Duke Johnson in the concussion protocol at a key time and nothing at receiver.

He had some beautiful throws. His deep pass to Louis and quick thinking on the shovel pass were back-to-back great moments. He had a gorgeous pass dropped late from Devalve. He had two third down conversions dropped by Louis, admittedly, one was very clear PI; Which apparently was never going to be called on the Vikings, even when Devalve was literally tackled on 3rd down in the endzone.

Kizer was what he is: A 21 year old with nothing around him, but he's certainly growing and showing improvement. On the Kizer front, I was impressed with his performance.

Kizer did have some nice throws today. I really can't place the blame on him for today's offensive woes. It was a combination of things. I think the drop-off from the first to the second half was more of a play-calling change. I think Hue was seeing the possible win slipping away and started to call for more aggressive down-the-field plays, which take longer to develop, which is not our forte.

One thing I did notice, and it was a small detail, was when they showed DK in the huddle one time, he was calling the play, and looked like he was in complete control of the huddle. Not at all stressed, calm and clear, and all the guys were paying close attention. That was, to me, a quite telling moment. If his seniors are buying in to him, maybe we should as well.

I think DK can be a good QB. He needs a lot more time. He does make mistakes as should be expected but let's face it, he has no playmakers. He has complimentary players. Hue, IMO, is a good coach but suffers from the same problem; he has no impact players on O. We have the makings of a good D but the O has a long ways to go.

I think Kizer was a huge problem for us today. We have to dumb down the offense in order for him to play w/out killing us. Of course, that in and of itself, kills us.

My biggest concerns w/him are the two I started with.

Accuracy. How many throws did he throw at the feet of receivers today? I think he may be able to improve his accuracy over time. It's not a given, but there is a chance.

The second concern is more worrisome. I don't see him going through his progressions. He gets tunnel vision. Not being able to read coverages and go through your progressions quickly post snap is the kiss of death for qbs. I hope that he is just overwhelmed and that will improve, but I wouldn't dare bet on it.

If a guy doesn't have it by now, It ain't gonna happen. I see nothing from the guy except for size and arm strength. He has a good talk but that is cheap!

He's a rookie.

So is Watson and Tribisky. They look light years ahead of Kizer.

Trubisky looks pretty bad too. Definitely not light years ahead of Kizer. I take Kizer at 52 over Trubisky at 2 every day of the week. And I think Kizer has looked bad all year.

You are going to find out that Kizer has hit his ceiling and Mitch is just getting started!!

hmm...wasn't trying to say he throws it that way all the time. lol

but it did grab my attention after a minute. more of a musing then anything else.

Brits robbed of a chance to boo Kenny Britt, who was benched


By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
Updated on October 29, 2017 at 7:46 PM Posted on October 29, 2017 at 4:58 PM
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TWICKENHAM, England -- The Brits were robbed of a chance to boo Kenny Britt.

The Browns receiver, who expressed his hatred for everything London before this trip, was benched for Sunday's 33-16 loss to the Vikings because coach Hue Jackson felt it was time.

Standing on the sidelines active and in full uniform, he never got a chance to pull on the helmet and trot out onto the rugby pitch for a play.

"I made the decision to start the other guys and play them,'' said Jackson. "That's just what I wanted to do.''

Bryce Treggs started in place of Britt opposite Ricardo Louis and played 52 snaps, second only to Louis' 53, according to profootballfocus.com. But the wideouts continue to struggle: Louis caught only 2 of 6 targets for 42 yards; and Treggs caught 1-of-3 targets for 12 yards.

Overall, the receivers caught only six passes, and only one for more than 14 yards.

So it's still a major problem and completions are hard to come by, which is partly why quarterback DeShone Kizer has five games with a completion percentage in the 50s, most in the NFL according to ESPN Stats and Info.


"I just knew I was going to play some different people at X (receiver) and try my hand that way for this week, and that's what I did,'' said Jackson.

So Britt didn't miss another curfew when Jackson let the players out for awhile Friday night to explore London?



"No, no. No issues that way at all,'' Jackson said. "Again, I just felt like I was going to put the best version of our football team out there this weekend, and that's what I felt good about, so that's what I did.''

The benching robbed the Brits of a chance to boo Britt, who told espn.com last week that he hated everything about London when he played here last year with the Rams, who stayed for a week.

"I hated it with a passion,'' he said "I hated the flight. I hated us being there so long. I hated the flight back. I hated the food.''

Several British journalists were overheard at the Browns' practice facility saying they expected Britt to be booed for the remarks by fans at Twickenham, but they never got the chance.

Britt was benched for the second time this season, but was inactive the first time around. That was two weeks ago when he was sent home from Houston early for missing curfew the night before along with receiver Corey Coleman, who's on injured reserve for at least two more weeks.

Despite that infraction, Britt was back in the starting lineup last week against the Titans, but caught only two passes for 7 yards and dropped one from Cody Kessler in overtime of the 12-9 loss. All told, he has 10 catches this season for 128 yards and a TD.

Still, Kizer said on Friday that Britt was his lone vet in the receiver room and that he was counting on him stepping up and being the man against the Vikings.

It didn't happen.

"Yeah, you know, you play the hand you're dealt,'' said Kizer. "For me as a quarterback, it's just doing whatever I can to prepare the guys who are on the active roster to be the guys to make plays for us, and when it comes time to go out there on Sunday, make sure everyone around you is at the best they possibly can be and have the trust of the guys that you play with.

"Personnel things are completely out of my reach. It's just about making sure that I can find the chemistry with the guys who are out there.''

Question is, when will Britt, the Browns' $10.5 million man, be out there again?

Just curious ... have u actually watched his games other than the Monday nighter?

https://twitter.com/dan_labbe/status/925023730262212608

That's a lot of short, easy passes. On the bright side -- passes in the middle of the field!

I've been watching some Chicago games, and think Trubisky is doing good, problem is that he has a big shadow on Watson.

Chicago and Cleveland FO and personnel are looking really dumb, but that explains why we are in this position to start with.

How can a professional of football pass on Deshaun...

I've watched some Chicago games too on and off when they indeed made the QB change. From what I seen, there's potential and reason to believe he'll get better.

With that said, I'm not QB guru. Jz I had Goff with his display last year as a "haha you gave away a ton for that?" ordeal and look at the kid now. Last I checked, he's operating well. Even shortened his release time to throw and and bettered his decision making what play I've seen of his this season.

But yeah, Watson is looking kill out there. Operating very well. There's a lot of that "watch every throw" videos and he's looking good and scrambling well. Yesterday against Seattle... yeah. The perennial "could of... would of... should of."

I have no problem on passing on Wentz or Trubisky, in the sense that their body of work was not there, so there were legit concearns. I think in the Wentz case is more about the ability of Philly to recognize talent.

Deshaun case is different, he was the best college player, missing him is inexcusable. And we had not only 1 chance but 2 chances...

Bizarre statement without even a mention of supporting evidence or logic.

Two years from now, Kizer will be Trubisky's current age. He's significantly more talented as a natural thrower, and is already outperforming Trubisky in a situation that is not only worse, but much more difficult.

1. Kizer's completion percentage is 5% higher than Trubisky (47% vs 52%).

2. Kizer averages 46 yards per game more (128 vs 174) and that difference is largely thanks to Trubisky getting 70 yards on a screen pass that still boosts his numbers.

3. Kizer is scoring at a much higher rate (Trubisky has 2 TD's in 4 games, Kizer has 6 TD's in 6.5 games).

4. Trubisky is being protected by a gimmick system largely dependent on rolling out and hitting crossing routes on regression half-field reads. Kizer has vastly been a pure drop-back passer being asked to find his man based on pre-snap and post-snap reads.

5. Kizer has the worst receivers in the NFL, the vast majority of whom (Louis, Treggs, Hollywood, Njoku, DeValve) are only now getting their first taste of NFL action. Trubisky is surrounded by veterans such as Zach Miller, Kendall Wright, Jordan Howard and Dion Sims.

So the younger, far more raw quarterback with the worse situation who has already show more has hit his ceiling, literally 8 games in to his career, but the other guy is just getting started?

Yeesh.

Not even close .... NOT EVEN CLOSE ....

U may want to watch games before u run your mouth based off stats ...

The rest of your post is exactly why ...

STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!

Mitch is not playing good ... hes playing like a rookie ... Kizer is playing like he’s OVERWHELMED ....

Kizer MAY end up better than Mitch ... BUT RIGHT NOW MITCH IS PLAYING LIGHT YEARS BETTER THAN HIM ...

Watch some games ...

mitch at least has a win under his belt.

I saw your post ... not sure where it went ..

Did u happen to watch the ravens game Mitch started ...

He threw six passes. He just happen to be the QB the day Eddie Jackson had two defensive touchdowns.

I totally agree and I'm a big proponent of Mitch because he comes from my home town.

Kizer is showing more potential right now in my opinion, simply because he is playing in a big boy offense and right now they have Mitch playing in a Kaepernick offense.

If we dumbed down the reads for Kizer, he would look much better right now, but I'd prefer that he learns the reads now than try to learn them after we give him more tools. We'll just be that much farther ahead of the game.

It looks like u don’t know the difference between dumbing down reads and putting handcuffs on a guy ..

They haven’t dumbed a thing down for Mitch ... THEY HAVE PUT HANDCUFFS ON HIM .... when they do let him throw ... it ain’t dumbed down at all ..

I’ll ask u ..

Did u watch Mitch against the rats? ...