that whole dealing seems shady, but the fact that he just formed his own instead of disappearing makes me think he isn't a suspect of anything serious. I think most people would distance themselves from someone who just got federal charges brought on them.
but mueller will find out whats up.
Well it seems they want to use manny to flip on someone right, him stepping down on the exact day of the indictments to me at least, begs to question if this whole thing is to get manny to flip on podesta.
1) I find this whole 'b-b-b-b-b-b-ut Hillary and Podesta?' thing to be incredibly funny
2) And since all of this is nothing but political footballs to you all - these are the people who just lost a lay-up election to a rapist game show host with dementia. Wouldn't you guys want people like Podesta to stick around and wield influence within your opposition?
If I were rooting for the GOP, I would absolutely want those incompetents working for the Dems.
damn OCD. she said you have stockholm syndrome and you wasnt even kidnapped!!
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
that whole dealing seems shady, but the fact that he just formed his own instead of disappearing makes me think he isn't a suspect of anything serious. I think most people would distance themselves from someone who just got federal charges brought on them.
but mueller will find out whats up.
Well it seems they want to use manny to flip on someone right, him stepping down on the exact day of the indictments to me at least, begs to question if this whole thing is to get manny to flip on podesta.
1) I find this whole 'b-b-b-b-b-b-ut Hillary and Podesta?' thing to be incredibly funny
2) And since all of this is nothing but political footballs to you all - these are the people who just lost a lay-up election to a rapist game show host with dementia. Wouldn't you guys want people like Podesta to stick around and wield influence within your opposition?
If I were rooting for the GOP, I would absolutely want those incompetents working for the Dems.
Think about it, it was either Grendel, or Grendel's mother Hag. I'm sure you're familiar with the poem.
Turns out she ACTUALLY sold uranium to the Russians DESPITE WHAT SNOPE'S SAYS.
Along with the rest of the Obama administration.
I find your b-b-b-but Hillary crap typical.
Just because someone is saying b-b-b-b-but Hillary, doesn't wash her damn hands.
What you oughta be doing is asking your fellow Americans how we ended up with the absolute dregs of society ON BOTH SIDES as the top of our respective tickets, DECIDING THEN on a course of action that pits the citizenry (ALL OF US DAMMIT) against the electorate and thus bringing about a course of action that will get them to ACTUALLY SERVE THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
But you all go ahead and stay on the bus as 'the wheels go round and round'.
Works for the establishment on both sides quite nicely.
WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM my two cents...
Just because someone is saying b-b-b-b-but Hillary, doesn't wash her damn hands.
No, it doesn't, and if she went to jail (she won't) I'd smile.
But she's also a wash out who's going to spend the rest of her life in the woods and signing books in Costco's.
Had she won the White House, it would certainly be a more pressing issue. But she didn't - the mentally handicapped clown did, and, frankly, I'm much more concerned with how incompetent and sloppy they were more than what they did.
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What you oughta be doing is asking your fellow Americans how we ended up with the absolute dregs of society ON BOTH SIDES as the top of our respective tickets, DECIDING THEN on a course of action that pits the citizenry (ALL OF US DAMMIT) against the electorate and thus bringing about a course of action that will get them to ACTUALLY SERVE THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
But you all go ahead and stay on the bus as 'the wheels go round and round'.
Works for the establishment on both sides quite nicely.
Had she won the White House, it would certainly be a more pressing issue.
Noooo, this is just as (if not more) pressing than all this collusion crap. She and Obama sold nuclear bomb making material to a guy who's country is going broke so he'll sell it to whomever will buy it.
What will it be used for?
WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM my two cents...
Had she won the White House, it would certainly be a more pressing issue.
Noooo, this is just as (if not more) pressing than all this collusion crap. She and Obama sold nuclear bomb making material to a guy who's country is going broke so he'll sell it to whomever will buy it.
What will it be used for?
Not sure who you're listening to, but that's incorrect. In this particular case, the material was for nuclear energy, not for nuclear bomb making. You couldn't make bombs from it.
And this wouldn't rank in my top 25 of heinous criminal stuff Hillary and Obama had their hands in.
And I'm sorry, but the fact that the country is being run by a rapist game show and a crew of flunkies dumber than he is, is far more frightening. While I agree that Hillary is corrupt and criminal, she's a rich fail lady in the woods. While I agree Obama was a disastrously awful president, this clown show makes me almost miss him.
Washington (CNN)Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos' guilty plea Monday appears to hint toward even more threads of the ongoing Russia collusion investigation than what the court revealed.
Lawyers from the Justice Department's special counsel office have repeatedly hinted at how Papadopoulos would contribute to a larger, sensitive investigation. Why George Papadopoulos' guilty plea is a much bigger problem for Trump than the Manafort indictment Why George Papadopoulos' guilty plea is a much bigger problem for Trump than the Manafort indictment "The criminal justice interest being vindicated here is there's a large-scale ongoing investigation of which this case is a small part," Aaron Zelinsky of the special counsel's office said during Papadopoulos' October 5 plea agreement hearing, records of which were unsealed Monday. Sponsor Content Get the best out of your trip to Shanghai with these quick tips. Take in the bright lights of these big cities of the East with Ascott Lifestyle. Content provided by Ascott The special counsel's office sought to keep Papadopoulos' plea agreement confidential because it didn't want to dissuade witnesses and persons of interest from sharing information with investigators. "Although the government is moving expeditiously to interview individuals of immediate interest to the investigation, news that the defendant has been charged with and pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents may make those individuals reluctant to speak with investigators," the special counsel's office wrote on October 3. "Revealing the defendant's plea would likely chill individuals to be interviewed in the coming weeks," the filing added. In a transcript of his plea hearing, Zelinsky also referred to a "road map" it feared revealing about the larger investigation. Neither Hill intel committee has interviewed Papadopoulos Neither Hill intel committee has interviewed Papadopoulos Papadopoulos' court proceedings were unsealed Monday. He pleaded guilty to a charge of making false statements to the FBI, about his contact with three people who enticed him with the idea of a meeting between Trump and Russian government officials, after cooperating with the special counsel investigation. It's possible that Papadopoulos' interviews with federal investigators contributed to the charges brought against former campaign advisers Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, though those counts had little to do with contact with Russian officials.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
We have to hear about this for another year? Come on man.
that's your peoples fault though.
Trump would've won the election with or without Russia. nobody told *potentially* him and his people to go collude.
that's what i find most hilarious about this situation. peeps are going down for stuff they didn't even have to do in the first place.
Paul manafort is probably ticked off at himself right now. if he would've never got involved in the trump campaign, he would've most likely got away with all the stuff he was pulling overseas, cause nobody was looking at him. all he had to do was stay in the shadows. but nope, couldn't just be content with what he had.
I'm not so sure he would've won. I myself and at least a few others I know that didn't vote would have voted for hillary if not for her emails, Podesta's emails and the DNC emails that leaked. Proof that they cheated Bernie hurt her BIG TIME.
I'm fairly certain he would have won.
He's the most popular Democrat among traditional GOP voters in a very long time. His approval rating in rural Rest Belt/Appalachia areas in the the high-40's. He's far and wide the most popular politician in America.
Just about anyone else...he probably couldn't win. But this election the GOP teed up a gruel-brained game show host rapist in the throes of dementia...there's very few people he could've beaten. And the Democrats picked one of them.
In order for there to be a smoking gun in all of this, there has to be some kind of black-and-white/on tape quid pro quo.
The Trump administration is too stupid to establish this. They're more like a dog you pretend to throw a tennis ball to, and they take off.
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on them being led along by Russian operatives, but too stupid to see the end game, and just panting/darting their heads around like golden retrievers looking for the ball.
Based on evidence and general hearsay, the players involved would be:
Trump: Moron in the throes of dementia who constantly gets duped Trump Jr.: Inexplicably dumber than his father Manafort: So dumb he left incriminating documents he told the FBI didn't exist in his hotel room Bannon: Reactionary wet brain publisher of a website meant to stoke racial-fear in geriatrics and morons Kushner: Failson who has imploded every attempt at anything he has ever attempted
We're not exactly dealing with a sharp crew here. Mainly a bunch of simpletons who fell assbackwards into money. They don't strike me as people smart enough to negotiate a proper quid pro quo.
They're hucksters who prey on dolts, but in this scenario, they're the marks.
To collect scalps, you need a conspiracy, and Trump is far too stupid to engage in a coherent conspiracy.
We have to hear about this for another year? Come on man.
that's your peoples fault though.
Trump would've won the election with or without Russia. nobody told *potentially* him and his people to go collude.
that's what i find most hilarious about this situation. peeps are going down for stuff they didn't even have to do in the first place.
Paul manafort is probably ticked off at himself right now. if he would've never got involved in the trump campaign, he would've most likely got away with all the stuff he was pulling overseas, cause nobody was looking at him. all he had to do was stay in the shadows. but nope, couldn't just be content with what he had.
I'm not so sure he would've won. I myself and at least a few others I know that didn't vote would have voted for hillary if not for her emails, Podesta's emails and the DNC emails that leaked. Proof that they cheated Bernie hurt her BIG TIME.
I'm fairly certain he would have won.
He's the most popular Democrat among traditional GOP voters in a very long time. His approval rating in rural Rest Belt/Appalachia areas in the the high-40's. He's far and wide the most popular politician in America.
Just about anyone else...he probably couldn't win. But this election the GOP teed up a gruel-brained game show host rapist in the throes of dementia...there's very few people he could've beaten. And the Democrats picked one of them.
I was referring to Trump not winning. Bernie would have crushed Trump.
Paul Manafort and Rick Gates face decades in prison, millions in fines
By MICHAEL BIESECKER | The Associated Press PUBLISHED: October 30, 2017
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and Manafort’s business associate Rick Gates face decades in federal prison and millions of dollars in potential fines if convicted on all counts in a sprawling federal indictment unsealed Monday.
Manafort potentially faces up to 80 years in prison, according to a review of the federal charges and the relevant statutes by The Associated Press. Gates, who also worked for the Trump campaign, faces up to 70 years.
Prosecutors could still file additional charges against the pair. If convicted at trial, the law gives federal judges wide latitude in imposing prison sentences and fines.
Prosecutors allege that Manafort and Gates worked as unregistered agents of the government of Ukraine and the Party of Regions, a pro-Russian political party led by Victor Yanukovych. While serving as president of the former Soviet republic from 2010 to 2014, Yanukovych was closely aligned with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The indictment says that up to $75 million flowed through overseas accounts controlled by the two Americans. Manafort is alleged to have laundered more than $18 million he used to buy property and goods in the United States. Gates is alleged to have transferred more than $3 million to accounts he controlled.
A summary of the charges encompassed in the 31-page indictment and the potential penalties:
COUNT ONE: Conspiracy Against the United States
Both men are charged with conspiring together and with others to knowingly and intentionally defraud and commit crimes against the United States between 2006 and 2017. If found guilty of this count, each potentially faces up to five years in prison and up to $10,000 in fines.
COUNT TWO: Conspiracy to Launder Money
Both men are charged with conspiring together and with others to transfer funds from outside the United States to and through places inside the country without properly disclosing the transactions or paying required federal taxes. Penalties for this count include up to 20 years in federal prison and a fine of either $500,000 or twice the monetary value of the property involved in the transaction, whichever is greater.
COUNTS THREE THROUGH SIX: Failure to File Reports of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts
The indictment alleges that for each calendar year between 2012 and 2015, Manafort failed to disclose to the U.S. Treasury Department that he had a financial interest in and authority over bank accounts in a foreign country involving more than $10,000. Penalties include up to 10 years in federal prison for each of the four counts and fines of up to $100,000, or up to 50 percent of the total value for the transactions, for each of the four years encompassed in the counts.
COUNTS SEVEN THROUGH NINE: Failure to File Reports of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts
The indictment also alleges that between 2012 and 2014 Gates failed to disclose to the U.S. Treasury Department that he had a financial interest in and authority over bank accounts in a foreign country involving more than $10,000. Penalties include up to 10 years in federal prison for each of the four counts and fines of up to $100,000, or up to 50 percent of the total value for the transactions, for each of the four years encompassed in the counts.
COUNT TEN: Unregistered Agent of a Foreign Principal
Prosecutors allege that both men failed to register with the U.S. attorney general as foreign agents of the government of Ukraine, the Part of Regents and Yanukovych between 2008 and 2014. Penalties include up to five years in federal prison and up to $10,000 in fines.
COUNT ELEVEN: False and misleading statements under the Foreign Agents Registration Act
The indictment alleges that both men made multiple false statements to federal officials in relation to their failure to register as foreign agents of the Ukrainian government. Penalties include up to five years in federal prison and up to $10,000 in fines.
COUNT TWELVE: False Statements
Prosecutors allege that between November 2016 and February 2017 that Manafort and Gates conspired together and caused others to make false statements and conceal crimes against the United States. The penalty for this count is up to five years in prison.
So I have heard again more than once that Company B in the indictment, is in fact the Podesta Group. Which is why Podesta stepped down. So you have a guy who was working in the Rep nominee campaign chair working (if that's what you want to call the fraud) with the brother of the Campaign Chair of the Dem nominee. The swamp is deep.
I think EVERY member of congress needs to disclose who and what they are taking from lobbyist. You want to talk about Russia, lets look at Congress and the Senate first.
Pat Robertson said trump should issue blanket pardons and fire mueller.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Well if that happened the big scandal would be how much money big pharma and insurance has dumped into congress.
But we already know that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Well if that happened the big scandal would be how much money big pharma and insurance has dumped into congress.
But we already know that.
Seems to me working directly with and taking money from the Podesta Group which was being funded directly from the kremlin is more a threat than some facebook post.
Well if that happened the big scandal would be how much money big pharma and insurance has dumped into congress.
But we already know that.
Seems to me working directly with and taking money from the Podesta Group which was being funded directly from the kremlin is more a threat than some facebook post.
Maybe.
Colluding with the Russians who hacked the dnc in favor of trump seems to be the biggest threat though.
All well.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Well if that happened the big scandal would be how much money big pharma and insurance has dumped into congress.
But we already know that.
Seems to me working directly with and taking money from the Podesta Group which was being funded directly from the kremlin is more a threat than some facebook post.
Maybe.
Colluding with the Russians who hacked the dnc in favor of trump seems to be the biggest threat though.
All well.
Colluding is not a crime and at this point bribery is. All well.
No one can suggest that Jr is a traitor because he met with a Russian attorney to hear dirt on Hillary while Hillary and the DNC went to Russia and met with Putin's associates about dirt on Trump and a fake document.
That don't fly.
"B-b-b-b-bu-bu-bu-bu-but they did it, too!"
Never ceases to amaze me.
It's just an ego-exercise/contest/game to you people, isn't it?
In all honesty, I couldn't care less about the Russia stuff, it's a massive waste of time. The country being held at the whim of a moron in the throes of dementia is a far more pressing matter than how we lie to ourselves about how we wound up with him.
Yeah, that's fine, but this Russia stuff might be the stuff that gets rid of the damn fool. So let it happen.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Willit thinks the trump campaign colluding with the same country that hacked the DNC in order to help win an election is perfectly A ok.
I wish we still had conservatives of the 80’s who hated the commies.
Instead we got conservatives of today who would elect Hitler if that meant Hillary and obama would be out of office.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Willit thinks the trump campaign colluding with the same country that hacked the DNC in order to help win an election is perfectly A ok.
I wish we still had conservatives of the 80’s who hated the commies.
Instead we got conservatives of today who would elect Hitler if that meant Hillary and obama would be out of office.
Tell me where I said that? I said it wasn't illegal, which it is not. I said bribery is illegal, which it is. You may like things put in your mouth, but I don't.
Bro you’ve been getting rocked since you been here.
I can’t remember one thing you have said lately that has been true. You stay posting wrong information and false narratives.
Right now I see indictments going down with people associated with trump. I don’t see anything happening to Hillary.
For the GOP to be in control of all aspects of government, it’s odd that a special counsel hasn’t been appointed to cover this story.
But keep deflecting though. You can never stay on topic and you started Tuesday morning proving it all over again.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I have a question as something just doesn't smell right to me...
Why would they announce on Friday that they will arrest and indict someone on Monday?
Is this a ploy to give someone the weekend to panic and indict themselves or others?
It also seems obvious to me whoever they are after is not someone currently serving in the Government because think of the damage a person in a power position could do with an entire weekend to work. Especially when they believe they are going down on Monday. They would have arrested them before the announcement was ever made.
I think the guy they are after is sitting in the oval office.
This is how it works, you get a little fish to roll on a bigger fish.. Then you get that fish to roll on an even bigger fish. Then you get that the even bigger fish to roll on the huge fish.
The idea is to build the case, generally from the bottom up. That's how they eventually got the mafia (not that they really stopped them, but all the big heads rolled which is what they wanted, Gotti to be one of the biggest)
Don't forget how they got Capone. Of all the things they knew that Capone was guilty of but couldn't prove, they finally got him on Tax evasion. Of all the things!
I think that Papadoupolas is the first pawn to fall. I think he knew and talked about Russian collusion with the Trumps. But it probably was arms length knowledge, so now they go after Manafort and Gates. They knew more, but in order to get them to give up the goods and roll on those above them, they have to have something to make them want to or need to cooperate.
I could be totally wrong here of course, but to me, this is what it looks like.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I said podesta, not Hillary. Funny, seems like you afraid your queen might be caught up in the scandals.
Manafort was let go by the campaign at the first sign of rumors about wrongdoing. I guess Trump should have shot him in the head - don't know what else he should have done or you wanted him to do.
and yet, once again, not once piece of solid evidence shows TRUMP colluded with Russia.
GM, that's possible, but also is the possibility that this falls on the fact that the players of Company B (which has been reported Podestas group) is the big fish. Its not a coincidence that he steps down on the same day Manny gets indicted and Company B is listed.
I said podesta, not Hillary. Funny, seems like you afraid your queen might be caught up in the scandals.
Manafort was let go by the campaign at the first sign of rumors about wrongdoing. I guess Trump should have shot him in the head - don't know what else he should have done or you wanted him to do.
and yet, once again, not once piece of solid evidence shows TRUMP colluded with Russia.
Man do you have your facts screwed up... Gees
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
You’ve mentioned Hillary plenty of times. You’re having a hard time keeping your story straight.
That tends to happen when you’re either lying your ass off, or don’t know what you’re talking about.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Just about anyone else...he probably couldn't win. But this election the GOP teed up a gruel-brained game show host rapist in the throes of dementia
do you have any factual evidence of these claims? Disgusting you are.
That just about anyone else would've beat him? Any and all polling and tracking shows that the only other politician in modern American history that came close to being as widely disliked as him is Hillary Clinton.
That he's a moron in the throes of dementia? Just listen to him speak, it's fairly obvious. "I have a very good brain, and I know all the best words." He thinks health insurance costs $12 a year. Does that sound like a sharp mind to you?
That he's a game show host? He hosted a program called "The Apprentice" for many years on NBC.
That he's a rapist? He's been accused of sexual assault by more than a dozen women, and was caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.
We have been talking today about Podesta group, yesterday as well. But once again you try to mince words to fit your agenda, typical liberal.
Here is how a thread goes when swish is involved.
Poster makes comment
Swish either misquotes or completely reads it incorrectly, not sure which is more concerning.
Poster then clarifies statement they made so swish can understand
Swish then cusses and tries to insult poster
Poster then replies in rebuttal
Swish then cusses and tries to insult again
Poster then completely ignores swish.
Swish then makes another comment, thinking because he made the LAST comment makes him right. Funny how swish thinks he is always right on every topic no matter the actual facts of the topic as swish interpretation of the actual facts is all that matters.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Just about anyone else...he probably couldn't win. But this election the GOP teed up a gruel-brained game show host rapist in the throes of dementia
do you have any factual evidence of these claims? Disgusting you are.
That just about anyone else would've beat him? Any and all polling and tracking shows that the only other politician in modern American history that came close to being as widely disliked as him is Hillary Clinton.
That he's a moron in the throes of dementia? Just listen to him speak, it's fairly obvious. "I have a very good brain, and I know all the best words." Does that sound like a sharp mind to you?
That he's a game show host? He hosted a program called "The Apprentice" for many years on NBC.
That he's a rapist? He's been accused of sexual assault by more than a dozen women, and was caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.
All the same polling that said it was a lock he would lose as well, huh?
Do you have a degree in the medical field to ascertain that diagnosis? didn't think so.
Pretty sure he was well into his 60's when he started that show. Already a billionaire, but I guess none of that mattered before hand.
Where did all those allegations go? Any indictments? Any charges brought? Didn't think so. Racist, rapist, bigot, I think those are the only three words in the liberal vocabulary. Take a seat Jr. the hatred spewing out your backside is being smelt over the web. Is it hard to sit down with your butt hurt so much.
