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Bigger dumpster fire right now...
Trump's cabinet/advisor choices or the Browns FO?
I'm trying to distract myself until more info comes out and I can think about this rationally. Is this what TONY and mac feel like all the time?
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ballpeen, if Jimmie is furious he needs to first take a cold shower, then meet tomorrow with all coaches and assure them that they are not being fired and that the team will be adding someone to the executive team to handle player acquisitions. stress to the coaches that he knows this is a multi year process and that they have his support.
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Mary Kay reporting the Bengals screwed up the paperwork, not the Browns. I'd rather have the 2 and 3 than McCarron. Wish we would have offered that for Garoppolo. Totally agree, AJ isn’t worth a 2 & 3
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Well, the football gods finally smiled on us.
McCarron is nothing special. Not worth a 2nd and a 3rd for sure. Maybe if it was swapping spots in the rounds, that would have been more palatable.
I am extremely happy that this deal was not finished, and i don't really care how it failed.
And does Grossi just have an axe to grind or what---- saying the browns were celebrating the deal instead of sending it in. Was he in the office. Did he see when the browns faxed it in?? Mary Kay is saying the bengals had the signed paperwork and faxed in the wrong one..... All i can say is, we just dodged a bullet.
Changes need to be made, and i think it has to be in the front office. HJ is not perfect, but he has not been given any kind of chance. If he was pushing for this deal, and i'm sure he was, this is a big reason not to give him the keys the franchise as well. Keep Jackson as coach, get some football guy in the office, i'm fine keeping the analytics, but they can't have final say...... What a mess.
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I don’t think AJ is worth a 2nd and anything if JG goes for less.
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This is pathetic. My guess is if anybody gets fired it may be folks in the FO for whiffing on Wentz and then saying "he wasn't Top 20 QB", the JG fiasco and now this blunder. DePodesta and Sashi could be in trouble. Maybe Berry too.
Although he has made his fair share of game day mistakes, I think Hue gets a pass because he can only do so much with what is given to him.
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If they change the front office, they will let the new front office pick their head coach. So if one goes, all goes.
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He is trying to save his reputation at this point.
The front office comments via the media including their back channels, always putting a positive spin on their efforts while Hue is not supposed to say a word...
It is my understanding that many on the coaching staff were pissed at Sashi's effort..not just Hue.
The man responsible for this mess is Jimmy Haslam. I believe, and will believe it if it is proven, that if Hue is going behind the scenes to reporters, as some claim, to hurt the Browns, he should be fired in the morning. No questions asked. In house, say what you want. Go outside, you're done in the harshest of ways. Sorry, that's the way I roll. Snitches get stitches.
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If they change the front office, they will let the new front office pick their head coach. So if one goes, all goes. I am sure that all depends on if Jimmy says Hue stays and then gives him significant input on the roster.
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If Jimmy brings in a new GM, the GM gets his HC. He’s not saddled with the last HC that wasn’t his pick.
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If they change the front office, they will let the new front office pick their head coach. So if one goes, all goes. I am sure that all depends on if Jimmy says Hue stays and then gives him significant input on the roster. then good luck getting any top front office guy, he will want the control of the roster..... and will not want to be handcuffed by a coach that he did not chose, having significant say on the roster. what a mess.
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If Jimmy brings in a new GM, the GM gets his HC. He’s not saddled with the last HC that wasn’t his pick. Well, didn't we hire Hue first then promote Sashi to "GM"?
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Wow... Just wow... I don't know how I feel about this... I know this is a guy hue wanted and theoretically should know the offense well... But that's a lot to give up... And then we forget to call it in.... We look like fools...
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If Jimmy brings in a new GM, the GM gets his HC. He’s not saddled with the last HC that wasn’t his pick. Well, didn't we hire Hue first then promote Sashi to "GM"? I can’t say but if so, it means what?
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If Jimmy brings in a new GM, the GM gets his HC. He’s not saddled with the last HC that wasn’t his pick. Well, didn't we hire Hue first then promote Sashi to "GM"? I can’t say but if so, it means what? It means that what you said above doesn't always work that way. If the owner wants to keep a coach I am sure he will ensure the coach is kept (even if that means fewer people wanting the job).
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Garoppolo is going to cost a lot more than McCarron. McCarron will be a restricted free agent, which could be a reason to trade the extra draft pick....
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If Jimmy brings in a new GM, the GM gets his HC. He’s not saddled with the last HC that wasn’t his pick. Well, didn't we hire Hue first then promote Sashi to "GM"? No.
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If Jimmy brings in a new GM, the GM gets his HC. He’s not saddled with the last HC that wasn’t his pick. Well, didn't we hire Hue first then promote Sashi to "GM"? I can’t say but if so, it means what? It means that what you said above doesn't always work that way. If the owner wants to keep a coach I am sure he will ensure the coach is kept (even if that means fewer people wanting the job). It’s pretty much a given that a new GM gets his own HC.
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5. We're locked step for step for the #1 pick with San Francisco, and they don't need a QB. Nobody is giving up that high of value for selections for McCarron when we've got a shot at Cousins, already have Kizer and could very possibly be sitting on Darnold. We have the first pick locked up. SF got themselves a QB. We do not have a winnable game on our schedule.
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5. We're locked step for step for the #1 pick with San Francisco, and they don't need a QB. Nobody is giving up that high of value for selections for McCarron when we've got a shot at Cousins, already have Kizer and could very possibly be sitting on Darnold. We have the first pick locked up. SF got themselves a QB. We do not have a winnable game on our schedule. we don't know who the niners got yet. Jimmy has never been a starter. the fact that the Pats took a 2nd round pick, albeit a high round 2nd round pick is telling to me...a little anyway. If he bombs out in niner country, then good on us. if he turns out to be Brady 2.0 then the Pats got screwed out of their next starting QB after Tom retires. let's go Rosen lol
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Wow... Just wow... I don't know how I feel about this... I know this is a guy hue wanted and theoretically should know the offense well... But that's a lot to give up... And then we forget to call it in.... We look like fools... There are more than one story out there right now. The only thing we know for sure is we wanted AJ. Right now I am not sure about the picks or who actually screwed up the trade.
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If Jimmy brings in a new GM, the GM gets his HC. He’s not saddled with the last HC that wasn’t his pick. Well, didn't we hire Hue first then promote Sashi to "GM"? I can’t say but if so, it means what? It means that what you said above doesn't always work that way. If the owner wants to keep a coach I am sure he will ensure the coach is kept (even if that means fewer people wanting the job). The Browns promoted Sashi Brown to VP of Football Ops on 1/3/16. Link The Browns hired Hue jackson on 1/13/16. Link Sashi was part of the interview process.... "What a tremendous honor and privilege to be the head coach of the Cleveland Browns and a part of the Dawg Pound," Jackson said. "I'm so looking forward to it and have so many people to thank. Obviously Jimmy and Dee Haslam for this opportunity, going through the process of meeting Sashi Brown and Paul DePodesta. What an exciting time to have an opportunity to work with people like that." Link
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Mary Kay Cabot‏Verified account @MaryKayCabot
League source says that #Bengals sent in paperwork to #NFL that had only their signature on it and not the #Browns . Needed both
4:03 PM - 31 Oct 2017 Link Mary Kay Cabot‏Verified account @MaryKayCabot
Try again: #Browns sent signed doc to #Bengals to sign and send to league, but #Bengals sent doc to #NFL only signed by them
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I wonder if Hue made a trade with Bengals and Sashi wouldn't sign off on it. I cant imagine a regime that covets draft picks above all else would trade a 2 and 3 for a backup QB.
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A 2nd and 3rd is the entire future. Not really, the harvard boys would just trade down anyway. It's what they do.
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Updated again: Spokesperson said the #Bengals never received any paperwork from the #Browns . #Bengals did their part
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lol this is our soap opera.
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lol this is our soap opera. Don't miss the next episode of " As the Browns bye week turns " Lmao
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lol this is our soap opera. Don't miss the next episode of " As the Browns bye week turns " Lmao And its only Tuesday
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Mary Kay Cabot‏Verified account @MaryKayCabot
League source says that #Bengals sent in paperwork to #NFL that had only their signature on it and not the #Browns . Needed both
4:03 PM - 31 Oct 2017 Link Mary Kay Cabot‏Verified account @MaryKayCabot
Try again: #Browns sent signed doc to #Bengals to sign and send to league, but #Bengals sent doc to #NFL only signed by them
4:07 PM - 31 Oct 2017 Link UPDATED: The Browns are now getting busted by their own attempt at damage control . Just sad all around. Dawgs By Nature @DawgsByNature Well according to the latest from @MaryKayCabot the #Browns have been busted once again in a lie or incompetence. Not sure what is worse. 
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And there's further updates...... Mary Kay Cabot Verified account @MaryKayCabot Updated again: Spokesperson said the #Bengals never received any paperwork from the #Browns. #Bengals did their part By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns not only can't win a football game, they dropped the ball on a trade on Tuesday for Bengals backup quarterback A.J. McCarron, whom Hue Jackson has coveted since the offseason. The two clubs agreed to the trade dangerously close to the 4 p.m. deadline, but the Bengals still managed to send their signed paperwork into the NFL on time. The Browns did not, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com. In the heat of the moment, with both clubs essentially running a hurry-up offense, the Browns fumbled the deal, sources said. The near-trade was first reported by ESPN's Adam Schefter. The Browns appealed to the NFL to allow the deal, but the NFL rejected it. Cincinnati.com reported that the Browns had agreed to send a second and third round pick in the 2018 draft for McCarron, a fifth-round pick of the Bengals in 2014 out of Alabama. The Browns have 12 selections in the upcoming draft, including two first rounders and three second rounders. The Browns had no immediate comment on the report. Multiple sources said that the Bengals emailed their signed paperwork to the NFL before 4 p.m. and the Browns did not. The Bengals also copied the Browns on the signed document they emailed to the NFL.
Several league sources told cleveland.com that separate documents from each team -- signed only by that team -- constitutes a trade. Bottom line: the league never received anything with the Browns signature on it.Which also begs the question -- did the Browns really want to execute the deal in the end? Another league source said the Browns sent a signed document to the Bengals and expected them to also sign it and send it to the NFL. But a Bengals spokesman told cleveland.com that the Bengals never received any paperwork from the Browns and that they executed their end of the bargain, and that the league office confirmed that they did. Hall of Fame executive Bill Polian criticized the Browns on Sirius XM NFL radio Tuesday night, saying the Bengals have many years of front office experience and would not mess up a trade. Meanwhile, Browns Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown is in his second year as quasi- GM. Sources told cleveland.com that Hue Jackson pushed for the trade because he wanted a veteran on his roster who could not only start and win games, but could also help mentor DeShone Kizer and the other young quarterbacks on the roster.It also illustrates that the front office and coaching staff are not on the same page when it comes to quarterbacks. Full Article
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Sashi Brown needs to go, period. Trading that much for McCarron was foolish, then screwing it up was incredibly stupid.
Hue Jackson is not the problem with this team. We have a group of proven veteran coaches. Some considered some of the best in the business. The front office is killing this fanbase with idiotic moves. Who do you think wanted to trade for McCarron?
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Sashi Brown needs to go, period. Trading that much for McCarron was foolish, then screwing it up was incredibly stupid.
Hue Jackson is not the problem with this team. We have a group of proven veteran coaches. Some considered some of the best in the business. The front office is killing this fanbase with idiotic moves. Who do you think wanted to trade for McCarron? Hue also has a history of making panicked trades for QBs and not caring about the long term.
you had a good run Hank.
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Sashi Brown needs to go, period. Trading that much for McCarron was foolish, then screwing it up was incredibly stupid.
Hue Jackson is not the problem with this team. We have a group of proven veteran coaches. Some considered some of the best in the business. The front office is killing this fanbase with idiotic moves. Who do you think wanted to trade for McCarron? Hue also has a history of making panicked trades for QBs and not caring about the long term. Ouch.
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Sashi Brown needs to go, period. Trading that much for McCarron was foolish, then screwing it up was incredibly stupid.
Hue Jackson is not the problem with this team. We have a group of proven veteran coaches. Some considered some of the best in the business. The front office is killing this fanbase with idiotic moves. Who do you think wanted to trade for McCarron? Hue also has a history of making panicked trades for QBs and not caring about the long term. Ouch. Ouch? You are so obvious. Can you please tell us in your "objective" opinion who wanted Jimmy G and who passed on him? Ouch!
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Sashi Brown needs to go, period. Trading that much for McCarron was foolish, then screwing it up was incredibly stupid.
Hue Jackson is not the problem with this team. We have a group of proven veteran coaches. Some considered some of the best in the business. The front office is killing this fanbase with idiotic moves. Who do you think wanted to trade for McCarron? Hue also has a history of making panicked trades for QBs and not caring about the long term. Ouch. Ouch? You are so obvious. Can you please tell us in your "objective" opinion who wanted Jimmy G and who passed on him? Ouch! Read the other threads before you make yourself look silly.
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Yeah, I am the silly one. LOL
Amazing.
I have been calling this from the beginning. But, you keep up the charade and a lot of people will agree w/you and mock my points.
But some people know how it really has went down.
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