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At least six people are dead and others injured after a truck drove onto a bike path in lower Manhattan in New York City. The sprawling crime scene runs several blocks along the West Side Highway.

A vehicle entered the West Street pedestrian and bike path north of Chambers Street, hitting multiple people on the path, leaving some dead and "numerous people injured," police said, citing preliminary investigation.


The vehicle kept driving south until it hit another vehicle, the police said. At that point, the suspect, who was "displaying imitation firearms," got out of the vehicle and was shot by New York City police, the police said.

A suspect, who may have been shot by police, is in custody. The New York City Police Department said no others are outstanding.


A truck hit multiple people on the bike path on the West Side Highway, a witness told ABC's New York station WABC. The truck crashed into a school bus at Chambers and West streets, near Stuyvesant High School, the witness added.

"Everybody started running," the witness said. "...Everything was happening so fast."

The witness added of the driver, "He kept going all the way down full speed."

"Thank god the trick-or-treaters weren't out yet," the witness later said.

Video from the scene showed mangled bicycles strewn across the bike path.

There is no active threat, according to the mayor's press secretary.


New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio are heading to the scene.

The FBI is also responding to the incident.

Police warned that New Yorkers should expect many emergency personnel in the area.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/york-city-offi...topstories.html

RIP. Wtf is wrong with people.

CNBC reporting Authorities treating this incident as a possible act of Terror.

I wonder if what they call it is based strictly by race or religion?

A terrorist act is a terrorist act no matter who commits it.

I doubt it. Terrorism is a word that seems to have lost much of its meaning and is applied to any gruesome act in which people die.. "Terrorism" has a political angle to it, the person who commits the act is fighting against a political entity or trying to enact some political change...

A guy going nuts and running people over isn't necessarily terrorism if he had no broader goal..

All that said, this might be terrorism, it might not. But it's based on his intentions, not his race or religion.

Sorry, I should have also added that I do feel very bad for the victims and family members of those who went out for an innocent bike ride and will never come home because of this psychopath. I hope he lives through his gunshot so they can torture him for the rest of his life.

terrorism

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism

it's not just political angle, although its the most common method.

Oh heck, what's that saying?

Something like "To Hell in a Handbasket" comes to mind.

Prayers from here to all killed and/or injured.

cops have 29 year old Sayfullo Saipov, an Uzbek national, in custody. A tampa, Florida resident.

here's a quick description:

Uzbekistan is a Central Asian nation and former Soviet republic. It's known for its mosques, mausoleums and other sites linked to the Silk Road, the ancient trade route between China and the Mediterranean. Samarkand, a major city on the route, contains a landmark of Islamic architecture: the Registan, a plaza bordered by 3 ornate, mosaic-covered religious schools dating to the 15th and 17th centuries.

Why is he still alive?

there was 2. the other one jumped out the vehicle with 2 fake guns, which got him shot.

A BB gun and a paintball gun. One of them was heard yelling ALLAHU Akbar.

I would amend to include "sociopolitical". The kids at Columbine didn't have political views, but their goal was to absolutely say "Hey, you shunned us, and now it's time to pay. Their writings had very strong pointed messages about why they did it, and it revolved primarily against sociopolitical workings of being a teenager in high school.

I don't think so. McVeigh in Oklahoma was called a terriorist act. He didn't fit the profile you are tying to call forward.

These terrorists kind of sucked from a tactical sense. So I am wondering if they are even legit muslim terrorists from ISIS. It could not possibly have been thought out. It had to be some half baked spur of the moment plan, because that was not really a good way to kill lots of people in nyc...

Maybe there are down to their jacklegs.

Let's hope.

its odd.

but they did carry out lazy attacks in london as well, which is a very packed place. and ISIS claimed responsibility.

De Blasio was on TV calling for "thoughts and prayers" - didn't he outcry that thoughts and prayers were meaningless during the Vegas attack?

I also didn't see any Late Night host crying and screaming outrage about the attack either. Weird, violence is violence. Terrorist is a Terrorist. Yet it seems the left wing media and politicians only care if that terrorist can used to their advantage.

When are the "Ban all trucks" cries going to start

We shouldn't ban all trucks but we should do background checks on all truck purchases.

And here you come crying your ass off about whatever perceptions you have on the “left wing” media.

I saw a lot of “left wing” talk about this. This is a tragic issue and a lot of media come from NYC.

I saw politicans both left and right talk about this act of terrorism.

So again you’re here lying your ass off and creating false narratives. Disgusting, especially at a time like this. .

Who is lying?

Did I say they didn't talk about it? Nope, in fact I said De Blasio DID TALK ABOUT IT - but apparently your either too thick headed to learn comprehension or just so blindly partisan you cannot see what I typed, even though its right in front of your face.

I remember after vegas, the majority of late night host calling for gun bans, saying our "thoughts and prayers" were worthless (I also remember you and spiral saying that as well), I remember them attacking Trump, the NRA, etc.

yet when a terrorist attack doesn't fit your agenda, or the left wings agenda, thoughts and prayers are sacred again. No on is at fault, these things "just happen" and we need to "love not hate".

The only thing disgusting is that you and your side want to use terrorist attacks for gain.

I remember you and spiral specifically stating AFTER the vegas attack, "this is the time to talk about it" and blasting the right for trying to say "its not the time" but here you and your hypocritical arse is, now saying that .....EXACT....SAME......THING......man you wreak of desperation.

that's funny cause i'm looking through the vegas thread and im seeing us talk about how disgusting this terrorist act was at the beginning.

that right there made whatever drivel you said in the rest of your post false and irrelevant.

you constantly put your foot in your mouth then try to spin out of it when you get blasted. honestly im about done with you. you stay being wrong in every topic you post in. at this point 40 is more reliable.
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anyways, moving on.

Jc

the uzbekistan national committing an act of terrorism is a first in this country, i think. although the whole middle eastern region is a hotbed for terrorist activity, it would be interesting to read about these dirtbags background and how they got here, as i admit i wasn't aware of Uzbekistan being a a major problem with regards to terrorism.

there's also the dynamic of it being a previously Russian-controlled state, but i think that would be me going down a conspiracy path.

it wasn't in the Vegas thread, that it was discussed. But the fact is you and spiral both complained about the NRA and saying thoughts and prayers. No one is forcing you to reply, but I would be you will continue to do so. You see, you have this inferiority complex where you cannot have the last post, the last word, the last whatever. Just like the left in general, you have to be the loudest and the last to speak. For some reason you feel that substantiates your claims and lies and makes you feel better about yourself.

Islam is a religion that does not seem to respect life. It has no business here in the United States. Shut down EVERY facility dedicated to it's worship and deport EVERY illegal here with ANY ties to Islam. They do not respect America or Americans and they have NO business being here. Go back to your own country with your hate and destroy your own backyard. Enough is enough already. I'm so sick and tired of ANYONE coming to America and expecting to be catered to. Assimilate into OUR culture and OUR way of doing things. Don't like it? GTFO.

We do have this thing called the Constitution, which states we have a "freedom of religion". I do not people infringing on my right to bear arms, and we should not be infringing on peoples right to have religious beliefs. When priest were raping little boys, did you say that they needed to be kicked out of the country and the religion shut down?

Folks been killing folks in the name of religion since the beginning of religions !!! Some religions mix better or worse with others ones ..

Same goes for just plane basic Cultural differences .. Some blend some do not ..

What we seem to be witnessing in the US. is an ever increasing gap in every facet of our life's .. Who are we as a Country and peoples ..

Link please! ...

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WTH? What are you babbling about here?

Leave me out of your hate rants here. Thank You.

I don't know guys. After the last driving attack I really turned the TV off and tuned out everything so I could be alone to my thoughts.

What possibly could posses someone to wake up, and carry out an act like that? I thought for a long time and came up with some guesses, none of which I will even share because I just don't have a logical clue or idea.

RIP to those eight and heavy condolences to their family and friends.

Bro post your thoughts man. You could have a perspective that none of us considered yet.

Bad parenting (abused, grew up learning how to hate, be gullible, unable to think for yourself and easily swayed/influenced)

Grew up being made fun of and never let it go or grew up out of it

The thought of being in absolute control over others take pride and what not through it causing wanting to act

Just overall attraction to violence as seen in the media and etc done by others

Constant and consistent scenarios of negativity resulting in payback to whoever and however

the belief they're doing good "with their life" by taking dreadful orders and taking dreadful actions

The overall want to be accepted and well known in some form or fashion by having their name on the media and every new channel, for the brief time these awful acts are carried out

Just flat out mental and incapable to know right from wrong

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I don't know, nothing adds up except the last thing I said about mental state. You have to be literally out of your mind to drive over innocent people, plan it and etc. Terrorist act or not, something is not adding up. The amount of hatred would have to astronomical, I'd assume, to go on a killing spree, let alone kill people you don't know, never seen or never will see/know.

I wish I knew the answer. I thought for a good ten-15 minutes and just can't comprehend these types of acts. I just can't.

Go for it.. we are all pretty much just speculating anyway.. might as well go ahead and throw yours out there.

It may seem out of our your mind to some, you me and others. But I don't think you are taking into account the fact that they are being told they are getting 72 virgins, and that they are doing "gods" or "allahs" work by killing the infidels. It seems crazy from our side of the fence, but its not crazy to someone when that is all they know, all they grew up with, all they are taught and led to believe. JMO

let me first say that LB, i agree with some of the things you mentioned, and understand the rest.

let me also say that as someone who has been in the middle east more times than i would have liked to, Willit has once again oversimplified a very complex problem with a very small percentage of insurgence who buy into the "72 virgins" belief.

well, that's why I put JMO - and not fact next to my statement. (it stands for Just my opinion )

Nowhere did I say it was all muslims beliefs, as we were speaking of the terrorist that killed the people in NY, and those that commit these types of attacks. But if you would like to under-simplify it, please by all means, explain and I shall take your points into consideration.

this is gonna be a long post that i already know half of yall won't read, but don't claim i didn't try to give detailed thoughts and serious points about topics on this board:

the quran and the rest of it's fairy tales doesn't actually specify how many women are available to someone who goes to paradise, or "heaven".

martyrdom is a concept of Jihad, the radical version of islam that most muslims do not believe in, and as such, "paradise" isn't reserved for people who martyr themselves, but is the same thing as christian heaven.

you act right, you go to heaven, or "paradise".

so that's the first thing.

second thing is that a lot of terrorist are less influenced by the fairy tales of Jihad and more influenced by the world around them. which goes to LB's points that he brought up.

*****disclaimer, swish isn't making excuses for disgusting terrorist**** disclaimer****

*****disclaimer, swish isn't making excuses for disgusting terrorist**** disclaimer****

*****disclaimer, swish isn't making excuses for disgusting terrorist**** disclaimer****

*****disclaimer, swish isn't making excuses for disgusting terrorist**** disclaimer****

*****disclaimer, swish isn't making excuses for disgusting terrorist**** disclaimer****

but we have all said on this board that we have been at war for far too long, correct?

well doesn't the same apply to the middle east?

Willit, you do understand that we have a whole generation of kids who grew up knowing nothing but war and everything that comes with it, correct?

so LB, if you don't mind, i will go through your points and apply them to what my experience are with middle easterners and terrorism, good or bad.



pretty much the issue with problems around the world. a lot of problems can definitely be chalked up to dirtbag parents. the problem with terrorism is just like poverty and gang violence in the states: we have to figure out how to break the cycle.



let me make this clear: all those kids and adults in the middle east know EXACTLY what people in the US and europe say about them. they hear and see all the jokes, all the politicians, etc, trashing them.

we see the effects of bullying here in the states. understand that those issues that causes bullied victims to lash out also applies in the middle east. there's a ton of people are ready to trash me for saying that, but it's true.



this goes back to parenting and culture.



people have always responded to violence more than peace. thats global, and that also applies to terrorist. we've seen that play out right here in America over and over again.



Dawg_LB, willit. Scenario for you:

you're 15 years old. you're in a war torn region of the world. you are outside playing with your friends, and then news strikes: a US drone just hit an area, but unfortunately civilian casualties occurred. among those deaths was your mother and sister.

how easy would it be for you to be radicalized and learn to hate the US? again, you're 15 years old from the middle east, not a grown man from the US. think about it from that perspective.



this is the part where i said i understand, but i don't agree all the time.

people need to understand that a lot of terrorism, maybe not most, maybe not the majority, but a lot of terrorism occurs through kidnapping and such.

ISIS or whatever group will roll into a village. they will take hostage the men. they will tell the man "you will commit <insert whatever> or we will rape and kill your wife, kids, family members".

^^^^^ this is VERY common. there's a reason why there's no high ranking members of terrorist organizations actually fighting or committing suicide bombings. it's all a bunch of expendable people who know very little of any sort of intelligence.

the correlation: Drug cartels. a lot of you guys know a lot about cartels and how they operate.

guys, it's almost the same thing, just a different region of the world.



this is the major players of terrorist organizations, as well as the low levels who believe in Jihad.



mental.

LB, be truthful with me.

how many people from the vegas shooting do you think will develop PTSD from that incident?

how many people developed PTSD from 9/11?

do you think the same applies to those who have witnessed bombings and drone strikes?

There's a lot dealing with the mental capacity of people and why they do this. terrorism should be snuffed out and dealt with swiftly. actual soldiers of terrorist organizations should found and shot.

but there's a reason why i keep giving mad love to Bush: i didn't agree with his trash war, and he has a lot to do with the problems we see today. but he understood that you can't defeat an ideology with bombs and weapons only.

hearts and minds is how you defeat an ideology.

now, guys like this NYC attacker? there's no saving guys like him. he enjoyed doing this. he wanted to do this just because. he can't and will never be saved and needs to die.

but an ideology can be defeated overall if using the right strategy in combination with military force.

on a small scale i've seen it work. people are not inherently bad.

all that being said, i think the russians were involved.

You sound like you're making excuses for disgusting terrorists.

I agree.

I see what you're saying.'

But: "you're 15 years old. you're in a war torn region of the world. you are outside playing with your friends, and then news strikes: a US drone just hit an area, but unfortunately civilian casualties occurred. among those deaths was your mother and sister."

Or, you're 15 years old and you see your mom and sister run over by a pickup, and the guy gets out and says "alahu akbar" or however it's spelled.

Violence is a bad thing. And in the middle east, it seems they never run out of "another" enemy.

Your points are all valid, reasonable and understanding. I'll address those you specifically asked upon.

The scenario question. Gosh that's so tough to answer and quite frankly, one I thought about and along the parenting aspect. But yeah, I of course grew up in a farmland community pretty much. We got along with our neighbors, worked for them, etc. I have no idea what it would be like growing up in an environment as such violence is a "thing of the normal" so-to-say. I'd imagine a young kid seeing his elders and etc would want to mimic their steps and follow along. Shameful, but yes I think it's more easily for them to do so than I'd like to admit.

The other aspect you asked goes along with the above. Seeing drones strikes while only being taught to hate the US and the culture, I'd imagine one sight is enough to build up massive... massive amounts of anger.

We'd need to get into where he grew up. I heard he had ties to Cuyhoga Falls, which I lived practically five minutes away at one time. My cat got neutered at the one clinic there hahahaha. Anyway, I'm sure there's propaganda films, etc.

I mean, I have no experience in the middle east. No military experience. With that said, I watched a show on Iraq regarding the battle of Fallujah and some air strikes that were publicized on Al Jaherza (sp?) and showed kids, parents, old women and men and innocents in general killed by the strikes or severely injured, and how the show said this was major fuel for the people that hate us as-is. And caused some public lashings too . There's no doubt the violence has to be influential, is my point. Growing up in that environment, jz.

I didn't see it that way at all. Looked to me like he was giving an experienced reasoned psychological breakdown of the situation.