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I noticed the Sunshine and Lollipops crew haven't even tried to defend the front office after this latest fiasco.hilarious

Ok The Browns front office looks like the third guy in the Dumb, and Dumber series. You know DUMBEST. What bothers me is we didn't even contact New England and ask about JG. We just assumed they would not trade him. So very stupid and ignorant by everybody envolved. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Now the idiotic crap with AJ. Our not filing the paperwork on time also makes our front office look like IDIOTS. Agreeing to trade a 2nd, and 3rd round pick for Kesslers older twin brother makes them look even more like IDIOTS. Thank God they screwed it up and it didn't go through.

3rd I am very sorry to say.There really are problems between some of the Coaches and the front office.

The Cleveland Front Office and Hue are doing a great job.

You must rebuild a team slowly. Very, very slowly.

Maybe a win this year.

Double that to 2 wins next year (with a little luck).

And double it again in year 3 and the Browns will be about where they should be.

5-6 years of careful rebuilding and the Browns will start competing for 3rd place in the AFC North.

So I have to wait until 19-20 season for 4 wins? Not acceptable. Teams have turned quicker than that.

IF we do not hear anything by Friday, they will wait until next week. And that will mean that all of the Browns Mgt are cowards! And if the media does not call them out, they are cowards also.

Excellent post, bro.

And this part really hits home:



It's beyond obvious and I think people are kinda putting their head in the sand. Someone is going to have to go. And who knows, they might all go because this rift has become way too public and they are being ridiculed nationally. That can't sit well w/Haslam.

I wonder if it's Greg Williams that's putting this stuff out. I'm not saying that to dump on him or point fingers or anything, but he strikes me as a guy that has an EXTREMELY small tolerance for this type of buffoonery.

I was trying to figure out who might send those emails and Williams was the guy that came to my mind. I totally agree that he probably has no tolerance for the BS that is going on in the FO, such as leaving at 5:00 every day and not even trying to contact NE the day before the trade deadline.

Wait til the stadiums half empty next home game ... wait til December ..

That was one of my main concerns before the NIGHTMARE in the FACTORY OF SADNESS!!!

If they made a movie about the thiefs ownership tenure ... that would be the name of it ...

LOL

Bro, I almost hate to bring this up........but, do you remember when we were talking about "the plan" and I said that losing so many games was tough on everyone, including the owner, the FO, the coaches, the players, the fans, etc?

Look at what is going on between the FO and the coaching staff. I've never seen such outright public hostility between two groups.

You simply can't lose this many games and not expect consequences, bro.

The only thing, I think, that's left to add about this whole coaches vs FO thing is that it seems like it's just one coach, or a small group of coaches that's acting out. All are probably angry and frustrated, but it's a small subgroup that's talking/emailing to reporters and stuff, and it's not Hue.

Hue probably doesn't even know who it is that's talking. Think about what that might mean for a sec...

For the sake of conversation, I will.

The only thing that happened at this trade deadline, was we got Josh Gordon back. There is the elite receiver people were asking for.

The Steelers openly said they were not trading Bryant, and it's being reported multiple teams inquired about T.Y Hilton but the asking price to too high. Colts GM also made it clear the asking price was going to be very high, himself.

On the A.J McCarron front, we're getting too many conflicting reports. Some say the Browns screwed it up, others say the Bengals screwed it up. What I know is the Browns have made the second most trades in the NFL over the past few years - I find it hard to believe they magically forgot how to make a trade.

As for not getting Kelvin Benjamin, the Panthers moved him because he's been disappointing. His production has nose dived and he's often struggled to stay in shape, even being accused of being lazy and taking plays off.

I'm also sceptical of Jimmy Garappolo. I think if Bill Belichick REALLY thought he was a 25-year-old franchise quarterback, 41-year-old Brady wouldn't be a Patriot in 2018. Tom Brady is the greatest of all time, but you don't take MAYBE two or three years over the next fifteen. Jimmy looked good on 94 snaps. I've seen a lot of players look good on 94 snaps. I have my doubts he's the elite quarterback he's mysteriously being treated as.

Ultimately, the front office is taking heat for not making moves. The most of which couldn't have been made, or very possibly shouldn't have been made.

I'm waiting to hear from everyone. Every time I hear that Hue Jackson hates everyone in the front office, he has happily refuted it and seemed very pleased in his demeanour going forward.

All I have to go on right now is the likes of Grossi, MKC and Jason La Canfora - not exactly a who's who of great journalism.

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/924812922102087681
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nf...line/818199001/

Screw Haslam. The last 2 days really pisses me off. And you know me Ver's. This is total incompetence from our front office. How the heck could you not even make the call for Jimmy G

I do agree that the FO magically forgetting how trades work all of a sudden is weird.

However, the AJ McCarron thing leaves you in the same place regardless of the details of how it all went down.

Stupid.

Whether it's forgetting how trades work...
or agreeing to give up a 2 and three when Garrapolo just went for a 2...
or wanting to give up picks for McCarron period...

the end result is stupid. It's pointless to argue which flavor of stupid is better/worse.



The real thing that needs to be discussed is why we weren't in talks regarding JG. That's the QB that we've had a target on for a while. I don't buy the whole "BB doesn't want to send him to us for X reason". We could've upped the price to 2 2nds or a 2nd and a 3rd and be done with it.
I also disagree with your assessment of JG. He's the closest thing we're going to get to a young franchise QB. He carries risk just like anyone else, just far less risk than most.

Does he know about his daughter's tweets?

I remember ... u were right ...

And your going to *L* at this ... but IMO is it was still the right plan ... it was always about execution ...

And they missed BIGTIME in a key area ... we have no QB .. if our qb’s weren’t TO machines we’d have 2 or 3 wins this year ... if Joe don’t go down i’m convinced we win that game ...

There were 2 or 3 vets we could have brought in that are below average but we could have won some with this team with them ... 4 possibly 5 ....

Then enter the real problem ... u and i said it with some others from day 1 ... THIS WAS A HORRIBLE SET UP ... if your going to put a lawyer and a baseball guy in your two key positions with your most experienced FO person a whopping 28 years old .... U NEED TO LEAVE FINAL DECISIONS WITH HUE ... he was the only football guy that had to shave .. *L* ..

I said two or three weeks ago that i was shocked at how UNIFIED they looked .. i said i wondered if the answer Hue gave about asking the FO if this team was ready to win now was the start of a rift or hue just “venting” ... its obvious now ...

The way the thief set this up .. THIS WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN ...

I was worried the thiefs temper would lead to someone getting fired ... now ... his hand has been forced ...

I don’t see how he keeps any of them ... so my guess is now they all stay ... *L* .. i’m Not sure if i’m joking or not ..

I thought this morning .. where the hell is the thief ... i want may owner to talk like once a year ... to me .. he talks to much and says the wrong things when he does .. BUT HE NEEDS TO SPEAK OUT NOW ...

This is the worst things have been since we left ...

When the dust settles ... and your gonna laugh at this too .. i will be grateful to the harvard boys .... they left us with a VERY GOOD FRONT 7 that is young ... a very young TE with a ton of upside ... an improved OL ... and a ton of ASSETS to use in FA and the draft ...

If the new folks do this right ... we could be pretty good in 2 or 3 years ...

Like i said .. your going to *L* at me ... and i get it ... i still think it was a good plan ..

But at the end of the day .. you were right ... the LOSING TORE THESE GUYS APART .... and that sucks for them ... doesn’t mean it has to for us .. definetly sucks for us in the short term ... long term ......... maybe it won’t suck for us ..... wouldn’t that be a change ... *L* ...

I think whomever is leaking this stuff probably is speaking pretty much for all the coaching staff. I remember just being a HS coach and we used to talk about what a dumb ass our AD was. He loved scheduling our toughest out of league opponent for the first game of the season and on the road. Brilliant!

It's gotta flame the coaches that they are working their asses off w/very little talent and/or experience and the FO guys are checking out at 5:00 each day. That is almost amazing.

Think about it. The FO is treating this as a 9-5 job. Can you comprehend how much this flames the coaching staff .......

And then you leave at 5:00 on the day before the trade deadline? LOL And you don't even bother to try and call NE about JG even though you know the coaching staff loves the guy?

Man!!!

oober, as a former coach, I can almost guarantee you that this staff doesn't respect this FO and wants some football guys in there.

Of course he knows. How in the hell would he not know? I don't get the question??????????

Hmmmmm..........very good post. I have to think about it for a moment or two and I'll get back to you. You made some points that made me go "hmmmmmmm." That's a good thing. But, one thing for sure you are wrong about..........I ain't laughing at you.

I agree on McCarron. Personally, it isn't a trade I would have made.

However, if that's a trade Hue Jackson was comfortable with, I trust his judgement more than my own. He worked with McCarron, he's seen McCarron run his system, and he was clearly trying to add a veteran quarterback whom he has a lot of faith in. It's not a move I'd have made, but what do I know?

I don't think we had a chance at getting Jimmy Garappolo anyway. I'm not sure why you don't buy it. If we did really have a shot, they would have called us and asked us if we would do better than a 2nd round pick. I think we'd have happily offered more considering we actually did offer more just months ago - there is nothing to suggest that very offer wouldn't still be on the table, much less that it wouldn't have increased.

I find that a lot easier to buy than suggestion that Haslam (And Hue) loved Garappolo but, for some reason, Sashi refused to part with a 2nd round pick? But 24 hours later he's apparently willing to part with a 2nd and 3rd for McCarron?

You're right, it doesn't make any sense - which is why I'm sceptical of the validity of these rumors.

Agreed. Kudos - a well-written post.

We didn't have a chance because our dumb ass FO didn't even bother calling NE before the trade deadline and left the office early.

Sashi needs to be fired!

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Hue probably doesn't even know who it is that's talking. Think about what that might mean for a sec...

So maybe the next time you interrupt the conversation between A and B to defend that wet dream that you have for Hue, you'll C yourself out of it.

You want to save his job. I get it. None of us on this board make that decision Sherlock so stop trying so hard.

You are getting snarky, but I was asking you a serious question and was NOT getting on your ass.

I was wondering why you asked it because how in the hell could he not know? It's his daughter. It was all over the news. How would he not know?

So again, why did you ask it?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...e-on-wednesday/

Ownership went “nuclear” on Browns front office on Wednesday

The Browns committed an epic bungle on Tuesday, and on Wednesday the folks who own the team justifiably reacted, strongly.

Per a league source, ownership (specifically Dee Haslam) went “nuclear” on the front office in the aftermath of the failed effort to consummate a trade for Bengals quarterback A.J. McCarron.

The reaction comes even as the Browns spent much of Wednesday trying to persuade multiple media members that the Browns didn’t screw up the trade that was indeed screwed up. The Browns contend that they signed the appropriate paperwork to reflect their agreement to the deal, that they sent it to the Bengals for signature and submission to the league office, that the Bengals sent documentation signed only by the team, and that by the time the error was detected it was too late to rectify it.

It’s possible that the Browns, who have executed multiple trades under the current regime, always do it this way. Which is fine if there’s time to get everything buttoned up. It’s not fine if, as in this case, the deal has been negotiated as the annual deadline for doing such deals approaches and the other team doesn’t send to the league office documentation signed by both teams.

Meanwhile, multiple teams (the official number now stands at seven) have told PFT that the Browns and Bengals should have separately informed the league office of the terms of the trade. As one source put it via email to PFT, “Only requirement is for both clubs to separately notify the league office via email of trade terms. If trade terms match, deal done. No need to sign paperwork and submit prior. Have 15 days to submit trade papers (with terms that identically match emails).”

Although the Browns have provided the media with plenty of grounds for criticism in recent days, the strong, negative reaction to Tuesday’s trade-deadline misadventure is smart, proper, and in many respects overdue. The football operation currently is a mess, and even though ownership seems to be committed to showing that it can stay the course for at least two full years, a 1-23 record, decisions to pass on Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson, and the embarrassing failure to consummate the McCarron deal should cause them to chart a new course ASAP — and to eventually hire someone smart and capable and to get out of the way completely and let that person try to fix things, once and for all.

man bro.....another season, another train wreck.

U guys could be right ... no doubt ... THATS NOT THE POINT ...

Its the day before the trade deadline ... they hadn’t signed JG to an extension .. so the situation had CHANGED EVEN SINCE LAST WEEK ... they were up against a DEADLINE ... UNLESS the plan was to re-sign him ... maybe u oughta make THE TWO MINUTE PHONE CALL just to see ....

To call them on MONDAY BEFORE THE TRADE DEADLINE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE TOP OF THE TO DO LIST ... if i was running the show .. i’d Have called them the previous friday also ....

If for no other reason than to COVER THEIR OWN ASSES ...

Good luck walking into the thiefs office saying ... i was blindsided it never occurred to us to call him ... personally ... i’d rather walk in and tell him ... ya. We were blindsided cause when I talked to them this morning they said they were standing pat ..

What convo would u rather have? .. i know witch one of would .. *L* ..

I’m a business guy ... if someone comes to me and says i lost the sale cause they love joe blow ... i can live with that ... if they come to me and say ... well i talked to them a month ago but never got back to them cause they weren’t interested a month ago ... good chance their looking for different work when they leave my office ...

This is not defensible .. they blew it ...

Like i said .. u guys may be right ... he may have never came here ... BUT THE WAY THEY HANDLED IT GAURANTEED HE WASN’T COMING HERE ....

Everyone’s wanted consistency, well we found it.

Except one of Hue Jackson's best friends is an NFL writer and hadn't said anything negative about the front office until this week.

Amen brother!

Very well said. But, you have to understand, that there are a lot of vocal posters on here who have emotional ties to the FO and will never admit they made a mistake. LOL

Are you sure about that? LOL

And so what if is saying negative things about the FO. They freaking blow.

And his daughters tweets happened at the same time.

When he is talking about specific events that occurred this week it leads me to believe he and Hue Jackson are talking to each other.

With Silver!

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Agreed.

How can you not bother to even ask?

Obviously they needed to ask, but Belichick also didn't want to deal with the Browns for several reasons (according to Schefter and Lombardi).

The fact that Belichick didn't want to deal with them leads me to believe they are incompetent.

The stadium has been half-full or less for quite awhile now, aside from the Opener and maybe the first game thereafter in nice weather.

When it costs more to go to a high school football than a professional football game you have completely failed as organization.

Last game against TEN, tickets were going for as little as $2/ticket (on the secondary market).

I feel terrible for the people that have to sell this product for a living. The folks behind the scenes just trying to make a living.