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All Haslam has to do is bring in a GM like Nick Caserio and move Sashi back to his 9-5 job and everyone is going to be fine, going into 2018.
FIX IT..DON'T BLOW IT UP!
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That's like paying 80K for a freaking Ford Focus. but, dude.... it's got racing stripes and burp-fart muffler so it's totally drift-ready. Here's the trouble with Kizer. When you can't sense pressure and get blindsided, that's not a good sign. But you can improve on that. It's when you have a guy wide open and you continually miss them, it is just horrible. Usually you can see some good signs if he makes a great play every now and then but they are far and few. He throws a 90 mph duck which is very hard to catch. Not to mention the Browns ownership, FO, and Coaching staff just lost Kizer's trust. He know's he's just a placeholder and waiting to be be shipped or released in a year or so.
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I've sat back and thought about this and the Garopollo thing and here's my belief:
We dodged two bullets. A 2nd & 3rd for McCarron, or even a 2nd for Garopollo - both of whom would walk after the season (guaranteed), would have been absolutely absurd UNLESS we could work a contract restructuring in as part of the deal, and that wasn't going to happen with either one.
Face it - our only way forward is that Kizer grows and learns, or we get The Next Savior at #1 in the 2018 Draft, which *is* where we will be picking.
Winning cures everything. Everything. You can sign JG to a franchise contract as they have done with Cousins for a couple years. And if JG is as good as some think - we're going to win games. This year. We don't have the best WR core - but we can support the new QB with investing in that skill position. Not getting JG is a problem. Not even being in the discussions about that trade is damning.
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Not to mention the Browns ownership, FO, and Coaching staff just lost Kizer's trust. He know's he's just a placeholder and waiting to be be shipped or released in a year or so.
I do understand that rationale. . . but I think Kizer can own what his play has earned him. I don't think the Browns have given Kizer the best chance to be successful - but that's besides the point.
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They say in college he wanted all the glory without putting in the work. who is they...exactly? Sources, links..... Because all the information stated by this coaching staff and team is that he is a very hard worker. Kizer Work Ethic "refreshing" Kizer doing what is necessary to succeed ETC ETC. Does he have what it takes, doesn't look like it as the team has been trying to get a replacement. Does he look like a starting NFL QB, to date - nope. But don't go around throwing out falsehoods about work ethic with nothing to back it up sir.
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The POINT.
McCarron is not the point no matter how it was handled.
The point is Garoppolo. He was available. Hue liked and wanted Garoppolo.
Sashi in his ignorance failed to secure Garoppolo for that he should be fired let alone the facts that have led to a record of 1-23 under his watch.
This nonsense has to stop and Haslam needs to get a clue.
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The only deal we SHOULD have tried to make was for JG for a 2nd round pick. Anything after that was a waste of time and like we saw, is an embarrassment. If we pick up JG and a WR, the FO looks like stars!!..Now, they look like idiots.
But I still say, when you have to rely on a rookie as a starter, we were in trouble from the beginning. Throw in that we have a sad group of WRs, just compounds the issue!
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perfect, in the immortal words of The Godfather, I would make Kirk Cousins an offer he can’t refuse. I would still use my first pick on a qb unless I am absolutely convinced that kizer has a future as an nfl starter. I probably would not go as far as the horse’s head in his bed though.
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What if we actually got the "paperwork" in on time, but the NFL quietly vetoed the trade because it was so insufferably terrible and they want at least a semblance of parity?
I don't necessarily think this is what happened, but at this point nothing would surprise me.
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The POINT.
McCarron is not the point no matter how it was handled.
The point is Garoppolo. He was available. Hue liked and wanted Garoppolo.
Sashi in his ignorance failed to secure Garoppolo for that he should be fired let alone the facts that have led to a record of 1-23 under his watch.
This nonsense has to stop and Haslam needs to get a clue.
I would actually go before that, the ignorance of this FO not having a viable QB on the roster with any experience was the first downfall. They really tied Hues hands together, and when they didn't do anything to get JG they put a rope around his feet as well. Then I see the AJ thing as Hue trying to cut himself free, even if for a last chance ditch effort, and then the FO throwing him overboard. 
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The fact that they wanted McCaron whatsoever is grounds for termination.
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The fact that they wanted McCaron whatsoever is grounds for termination. I'd rather them admit fault or come forward as to why they weren't in on it than make some future mortgaging, knee jerk trade. The longer the silence makes me think they're concocting a story.
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The point is Garoppolo. He was available.
He was obviously available to the 49'ers. But was he truly available to us? IMO, I doubt that he was...
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The POINT.
McCarron is not the point no matter how it was handled.
The point is Garoppolo. He was available. Hue liked and wanted Garoppolo.
Sashi in his ignorance failed to secure Garoppolo for that he should be fired let alone the facts that have led to a record of 1-23 under his watch.
This nonsense has to stop and Haslam needs to get a clue.
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What the makes the Niners such a great landing spot and Shanahan such a great HC I mean we are 1-23 but the Niners are 2-22??? 
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I don't think Belichick takes his marching orders from any players' agent. BB cares about one thing, and one thing only: making the best possible deal he can make for the Patriots. The Browns had the ability to offer a later 1st round pick (Houston's) or the very first pick in the 2nd round. Him choosing not to even inquire if we were interested is really hard to believe. JMO.
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I think that may have had more to do with Hoyer becoming available since BB wasn't going to have a second QB after trading JG.
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That's like paying 80K for a freaking Ford Focus. but, dude.... it's got racing stripes and burp-fart muffler so it's totally drift-ready. I got a pair of those in my underwear drawer.
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I think that Haslam almost has to blow up the entire thing. I don't see how anyone survives this.
I don't see how Sashi has any chance of surviving. What he did was either an extreme example of incompetence or gross insubordination.
I am guessing that it was insubordination and there is no way the Haslams can allow him to remain. In fact, he'll probably never work in the NFL again. Oh, the irony of this post. The real irony here is that, ultimately, Sashi likely gets canned for preventing Hue & Haslam from committing yet another catastrophic QB blunder. Yep, he'll get martyred for it. There are 100 other very good reasons to fire Sashi that have nothing to do with this trade deadline boondoggle.. If this is the "final straw" then so be it, but I will have a hard time thinking of him as a martyr.
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I think that may have had more to do with Hoyer becoming available since BB wasn't going to have a second QB after trading JG. BINGO!!!
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I think that may have had more to do with Hoyer becoming available since BB wasn't going to have a second QB after trading JG. That's true, but really, having traded JG, if Brady goes down their season is pretty much over. Plus, Bill can walk and chew gum at the same time - he could very well have made a contingency plan to acquire a backup of equal value to Hoyer elsewhere. But you are right that Hoyer has a history there and does know the offense.
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The point is Garoppolo. He was available. Hue liked and wanted Garoppolo.
Sashi in his ignorance failed to secure Garoppolo for that he should be fired let alone the facts that have led to a record of 1-23 under his watch.
This nonsense has to stop and Haslam needs to get a clue. Yep, Sashi needs to go!!!
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The point is Garoppolo. He was available.
He was obviously available to the 49'ers. But was he truly available to us? IMO, I doubt that he was... Why would he not be available to us or any other team? Please stop.
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The only deal we SHOULD have tried to make was for JG for a 2nd round pick. Anything after that was a waste of time and like we saw, is an embarrassment. If we pick up JG and a WR, the FO looks like stars!!..Now, they look like idiots.
But I still say, when you have to rely on a rookie as a starter, we were in trouble from the beginning. Throw in that we have a sad group of WRs, just compounds the issue! Yep. We are in agreement about all of that.
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j/c http://walterfootball.com/disastergrades.phpBrowns screw up trade with Bengals: 0/10 Disaster Rating The Browns are special. They really are. They tried to trade with the Bengals for A.J. McCarron, but couldn't get the deal done. Why? It wasn't because of compensation; the teams agreed to terms. It was because the Browns didn't call the league office in time about it. The Bengals did - five minutes prior to the deadline - while the Browns were too late to make the call. As a result, the deal became invalidated. What the hell were the Browns doing prior to 4 p.m. that they couldn't call in the league office? Did they not pay their phone bill? Was someone on the other line? It's amazing that they can be so incompetent. It's one thing to win only one game in the past year-and-a-half. It's another to fail to call the NFL about a trade they wanted to make! If owner Jimmy Haslam weren't so busy committing fraud right now, he would fire his entire front office at this very moment. The thing is, the Browns deserve a 0/10 Disaster Grade for this - because their sheer incompetence saved them from making a stupid trade! McCarron is not a viable starting quarterback, so acquiring him would have been stupid. Congrats, Cleveland, your own stupidity bailed you out of a horrible trade!
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People are defending Sashi because they say his assistant sent the email. But why in the hell couldn't Sashi just handle it himself?
I want to hear the answers to that question. Why not just handle it yourself, Sashi?
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People are defending Sashi because they say his assistant sent the email. But why in the hell couldn't Sashi just handle it himself? Bingo. I've heard two different people (Adam Schefter and Mike Lombardi) say that Belichick didn't call the Browns about Garoppolo because our front office is too hard to deal with.
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People are defending Sashi because they say his assistant sent the email. But why in the hell couldn't Sashi just handle it himself?
I want to hear the answers to that question. Why not just handle it yourself, Sashi? It wasn't Sashi's assistant. It was Chris Cooper, The Cleveland Browns Director of Football Administration. It came from an assistant of Brown's, director of football administration Chris Cooper, a name the Bengals did not immediately recognize. The email was sent to Bengals Director of Player Personnel Duke Tobin, who had been dealing with Brown on the tradehttp://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/bengals_did_receive_email_from.htmlHe's literally one of only 15 members of our front office administration (Including Jimmy, Dee and Jim Brown), and is the 2nd highest ranking member of our football operations staff. It's pretty embarrassing that the Bengals aren't aware of that. They get paid literally millions of dollars to know that information.
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It's pretty embarrassing that the Bengals aren't aware of that. They get paid literally millions of dollars to know that information. God bless them for not knowing.
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It doesn't change the fact that both teams have to contact the league office to consummate the trade. The Bengals did. The Browns didn't.
Why? Who knows. Dysfunction, laziness, incompetence... it's anyone's guess. The Haslams should be more upfront and explain what happened. I think loyal Browns fans deserve it even if it means throwing one of the bumbling idiots responsible for a .042 win percentage under the bus.
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The "my assistant did it" excuse doesn't fly in the big boy league. I am sure glad the messed it up, but Sashi owns it.
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j/c http://walterfootball.com/disastergrades.phpBrowns screw up trade with Bengals: 0/10 Disaster Rating The Browns are special. They really are. They tried to trade with the Bengals for A.J. McCarron, but couldn't get the deal done. Why? It wasn't because of compensation; the teams agreed to terms. It was because the Browns didn't call the league office in time about it. The Bengals did - five minutes prior to the deadline - while the Browns were too late to make the call. As a result, the deal became invalidated. What the hell were the Browns doing prior to 4 p.m. that they couldn't call in the league office? Did they not pay their phone bill? Was someone on the other line? It's amazing that they can be so incompetent. It's one thing to win only one game in the past year-and-a-half. It's another to fail to call the NFL about a trade they wanted to make! If owner Jimmy Haslam weren't so busy committing fraud right now, he would fire his entire front office at this very moment. The thing is, the Browns deserve a 0/10 Disaster Grade for this - because their sheer incompetence saved them from making a stupid trade! McCarron is not a viable starting quarterback, so acquiring him would have been stupid. Congrats, Cleveland, your own stupidity bailed you out of a horrible trade! Hahah yeah, we look so stupid... yet so smart at the exact same time. 
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It doesn't change the fact that both teams have to contact the league office to consummate the trade. The Bengals did. The Browns didn't.
Why? Who knows. Dysfunction, laziness, incompetence... it's anyone's guess. The Haslams should be more upfront and explain what happened. I think loyal Browns fans deserve it even if it means throwing one of the bumbling idiots responsible for a .042 win percentage under the bus. I just doubt the validity of what the Bengals are saying because the story has so consistently changed. First the Browns didn't send their information through. Then the Browns did, but an "assistant" sent it so the Bengals didn't find it for another 24 hours. Then the Browns did send it but needed to send it themselves and failed. Mary Kay Cabot has now posted SIX different updated series of events - and hasn't shied away from stating that she's getting information from a Bengals spokesperson, which means someone with a PR degree. I have no doubt that both sides are contacting the media and pointing at each other. I don't know who is at fault, but I don't like that the Bengals seem to naturally get a pass while we only accept the versions of events that paint our team in a negative light.
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We dodged a bullet by not making this trade.
Do we even know if it was our #2 or philly's #2? That's the difference between pick #33 or #60, big difference. We wouldn't make this trade for an 8 game rental. If that is true.
Why wouldn't we just sign him in the offseason? I'm not saying we should, I just think if we would trade for him and sign him to a long term deal, why not just sign him in the offseason, and keep your draft picks?
Is there going to be a huge run on Mccaron in the offseason?
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People are defending Sashi because they say his assistant sent the email. But why in the hell couldn't Sashi just handle it himself?
I want to hear the answers to that question. Why not just handle it yourself, Sashi? Isn't that what assistants are for? To handle the more 'menial' things?
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I would hope someone high up in the chain of command will call a press conference. Soon.
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People are defending Sashi because they say his assistant sent the email. But why in the hell couldn't Sashi just handle it himself?
I want to hear the answers to that question. Why not just handle it yourself, Sashi? Isn't that what assistants are for? To handle the more 'menial' things? Apparently if your counterparts read only who it’s from and not the subject line, failure is imminent.
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