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Did you read the emails? How do you NOT think that wasn't Williams talking? Seriously?

If that is true, it reminds me of the end of Frank McCourt's tenure as Dodgers' owner. I got very good tickets to a Dodger game (this game: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/07/AR2010080700169.html) for fifty cents.

I read the emails. I don't know who that coach was. I think it is both. That coach AND Hue Jackson through Mike Silver.

Okay...........I get that you don't like Hue, but was Hue referring to himself repeatedly in third person and asking for a job as a defensive coach?

Come on, man!

That's completely unfair. I don't have any emotional ties to the front office. In fact, the closest thing I have to an emotional tie to the front office is I don't want a new GM coming in and firing Hue, so that's an unwarranted criticism.

The Browns offered more for Garappolo than the 49ers did. Fact. The Patriots turned it down and said they were not going to trade him and wanted to keep him.

I'm already sick of reading that Jackson and/or the front office failed because they didn't incessantly call the Patriots to ask for a deal that had already been shot down.

The variables that influence why Belichick might have avoided the Browns are both logical and reasonable.

1. Browns might fire their coach and front office, and the Patriots are a logical choice for interviewing coaches and executives for roles that would be open - Having Garappolo might make it a lot easier to attract McDaniels and Caserio, which has already been something (La Canfora?) has suggested.

2. Trading Jimmy inside the AFC is a negative.

3. Trading Jimmy to a team with a lot of upcoming draft selections would make it a lot easier for the Browns to build a competitive team around Jimmy.

Instead, Belichick just traded him out of the division to a completely empty roster with standard draft selections upcoming, a crappy offensive line and a coach who Belichick already throttled in the Superbowl.

I can't pretend variables such as that don't influence this situation. At the end of the day, the Browns offered more than the 49ers did but Jimmy isn't a Brown - there is a reason for that.

Show me where I said the emails were Hue Jackson.

Flip it around. What makes you so sure that it was Williams talking (typing)?

Williams does seem like the kind of guy who says, "I don't use computers."

Did you just pick a name that you didn't like to cover for your boy?

There is actually a big clue in the email about which coach sent it to mile high sports. I'll give you a hint, it's not Williams.

jc.

once again, we are at the point of the season where the drama in berea completely overshadows anything the players are doing on the field.

and now fans are starting to be at each other's throats.

Completely unfair? I wasn't even talking about you, dude.

No need to since you just admitted that you did not say the emails came from Hue.

Thanks bro.

My boy? I remember when you and others used to rip me for questioning the greatness y'all bestowed upon Hue. I don't like wasting time, but if you insist, I will dig up old threads where I questioned Hue and got chastised by the masses.

He ain't my boy, Dep. I just think that the FO sucks and has done him dirty and that guys like you who have emotional ties to the FO, are transferring blame to Hue in order to protect "your boy."

Apologies. It seemed like it was directed at BBrowns32 and myself given it was our posts quoted.

I've told you repeatedly that I like your logic. I wasn't getting on your ass, BDU.

I do disagree w/your takes on some of those statements, but I promise you that I was not calling you out. I was talking to 32.

Yeah, your boy Vers. This is your us vs them game isn't it? We all have to pick sides so you can point out to the other side that they should always listen to you and you are always right. Correct?

Well since you are always right you can read that email again and figure out who actually sent it like I did. I gave you a hint already. It's not Williams. It actually took me about 2 minutes to figure it out the first time I read it.

Of course you have a great theory why it was Williams right? Which is...

I don't have a great theory. I was just speculating.

But, whatever.............make this about me instead of the FO. You're cool.

Don't mind Vers BDU. He's always like this.

What is wrong w/you?

You just have to scroll up to see my Fire Sashi posts.

For anyone that hasn't figured it out yet. It was Bob Wylie that sent the email that was posted on Mile High Sports. Keep in mind though that they did say "coaches" plural and that more emails will come out once they get permission, so technically Williams could still have one out there.

I just don't get your audacious reactions when I make comments, you slay them, I respond to them in kind, and then you act like I started it? It makes no sense to me.

Look, I think you make a lot of good football posts and I agree w/a lot of what you say. I think you agree w/a lot of what I say. But sometimes, you just seem to want to pick a fight w/me for absurd reasons.

Talk to me. Debate me. But please, let's stop w/all the personal BS.

Vers you've been attacking everyone on this board all day. You do it most days.

Just scroll up and look at all the attacks that you've made. Sometimes I tolerate you and sometimes you get to the point that someone needs to put you back into your place. You have exceeded that point.

So when you see that "sometimes where it appears that I just want to pick a fight with you", what you see is a reaction. You should take it as a clue that you've crossed the line again. I know you won't but we can all hope can't we?

Okay. Have a nice night, Dep.

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Good. Now who is going to go "nuclear" on Hue Jackson for wanting A.J. McCarron?

You, Memphis, 32, WSU, device, etc...

It doesnt matter. When a new talent evaluator comes, he is going to want no part of Hue and his backstabbing ways.

Hue did enough to cover his tracks with his post draft stuff with Silver. He will be absolutely fine.

Please, for all that is good and holy, Jimmy and Dee, get it right this time.

Sorry, I meant someone who actually matters and has access to Hue Jackson.

(You know what we talk about on here doesn't really mean anything, right?)

Back on topic like the beautiful intellectuals that we are:

I think those e-mails were Bob Wylie. The connection between he and Allbright with Denver is obvious, and "Washed up old" is exactly Wylie's style. As a journalism student myself, I can attest that we're usually trained to NEVER release e-mails from sources with such information, and that's exactly why: You release an overview, you keep the e-mails as defensible to your editors and courts, if applicable.

It does break my heart, however. I'm frustrated knowing the coaching staff is again going to be fired. That the front office is again going to be fired. That our draft selections and signings over the last few years will again be allocated to the ol' "Do they fit my scheme" analysis that is incoming, and the "my guys" from past experience will inundate our roster.

In 2019, it will be twenty years that we've cyclically fired everyone every one, two or three years. It appears we're very much on pace to continue the pattern that is decimating our chances of success.

Let's hope our new front office doesn't miss on any player over the next two years, or it will legitimately be 20 years.

Joe Thomas will certainly retire after consistently expressing how much he liked this coaching staff. Kirksey and Collins both raved that they re-signed because of our coaching staff. Garrett will be traded if we go to a 34 because he's not an OLB. It makes Kizer a total waste. McCourty signed on because he wanted to be with Gregg Williams. BBC will get Taylor Gabriel'd. Etc. Fun. Looking forward it.

That is both funny and sad.

That's a pretty good post that I think is reasonable.

Exactly and also the "happy to have a gig" thing. That is Bob Wylie.

I would love if we could figure out a way to patch something together without going full nuclear, but it isn't going to happen.

Sashi a Hue are gone and most people want their own guys that are loyal to them.

This makes some sense. Wylie was in the CFL last year.

I have a question:

What is more important: Who said it or the truth of the claims?

I don't know about anyone else, but I am not disputing the truth of the statement. I've found Benjamin Allbright to be pretty reliable and the emails make sense.

Okay, so if the emails are true...........what do the Browns do about it going forward?

Does anyone actually think we can maintain the status quo?

The truth of the claims is enough to get Sashi fired.

Who said it is enough to get Bob Wylie fired.

There are other important things though like when it was said.

The same day Mike Silva posted the same stuff and Hue's daughter started tweeting. (Enough to get Hue fired)

That it was said to reporters and not to the owner is enough probably to get all involved fired. So that is probably the most important. Everyone could have probably stayed inept and employed if the fans didn't know how bad that it was.

No. The FO is gone. They have to be. The coaching staff is gone, partly results based and partly because no decent GM wants a leftover coaching staff.

Before the trade deadline and all the craziness I said they had to keep everyone. In the aftermath, I think they need to fire everyone. If they fire the front office (and not the coaches) and hire new people, those new people will [eventually] want their own coach (not to mention the fact that they will have to worry about certain coaches undermining them through the media). If they fire the coaching staff (and not the front office), then no one will want to work with them because they are cooky (in the NFL world) and unreliable. If they fire everyone, they will at least have a chance at getting it right soon.

As far as the immediate future (the rest of the season), they should just keep everyone. It'll be ugly, but I don't see any other option.

Yeah, I think that is why they aren't making a statement. You can't just come out and say that everyone is fired at the end of the season and expect everyone to show up the next day.