DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Should the front office continue to get a pass?

I mentioned Wylie as a likely source early today when I posted Allbright's tweet when discussing it with Memphis.

Wylie also previously coached in Denver awhile back where Allbright has connections.

Of course you don't see anything that paints Hue in a good light and you question things about the FO. LOL

if we say pass...do we get to pass on them?

In the email you're referring to, and I'm completely speculating, I might guess Al Saunders.

He's has a long history with Hue, would have a sense of loyalty and at his age, quite frankly, no longer has much more to lose if caught. He's established himself in the league and the Browns perception around the league is dysfunctional.

Either way, It's highly likely it all gets blown up.

well if they blow up the FO i hope Peyton Manning comes in as the new President and puts it together right.

Call me behind the times....what e-mails are you talking about?

Honestly, neither.

1. Who said it.

My only issue is that it's irresponsible to go to the media with anything. Communication is key. If anyone is frustrated, go and talk to Jimmy Haslam or Dee Haslam. Let them know that you feel like Sashi's wasn't fully attentive at a sensitive time for the team. What is a guy like Benjamin Allbright going to do? He won't improve the situation. That's what the owners are for.

2. The truth of the claims.

Adam Schefter was the first to report on the trade taking place. He tweeted that out at 5:17pm. I'm guessing it's pretty safe to suggest the core of the discussions took place before 5pm. Sashi and the team knocking off at that time isn't a big deal, it's what is occurring during the day that is the issue.

Michael Silver, who is very good friends with Hue, has been consistently tweeting that Hue wanted Jimmy but doesn't make the calls. He means that literally. Hue cannot make the call to organize the trade. Basically, the front office didn't want Jimmy, but Hue did.

Same with McCarron, although Silver hasn't commented on that as he admits he's not spoke to Hue since the 49ers trade, but the worst case, if you will, is that they deliberately made sure the trade didn't go though. They've made trades before, they know how it works, they didn't just forget.

If the above has any truth to it, the front office is doomed, and not really because of what was said in the E-mail. That's just a sign of frustration. Assuming it was a coach, the front office has let it get bad enough that coaches are lashing out through the media.

Personally, that's something I put on Jimmy Haslam. He needs to be clear with his staff. He needs to communicate with him regarding how he's feeling and what he needs from them. His staff needs to understand that if they want jobs, they need to not be having a "we're all fired anyway" mentality. That's unacceptable. Bust your ass, try win some games to close the season, and things will be very different.

First off, what's up? I've been reading this board since it was on the official site.

The answer to the thread title is no. Everyone should be fired right now for passing on Wentz and Watson. Even more so with the terrible offer/fiasco for McCarron. Take into account the Benjamin trade and that TY was available and it makes my head want to explode.

You call New England a few weeks before the trade deadline and say we'll give you Houston's first and Phillys 2nd for Jimmy G. They love it, but Jimmy G not so much.

Call Carolina and tell them we'll give you a 3rd for Kelvin and offer Indy our 2nd for TY, hell I'd throw a fourth in for him.

All this info gets out there like it always does and suddenly Jimmy G doesn't mind being shipped to Cleveland.

We get Jimmy, TY and Benjamin. Still have our first and Houston's 2nd.

Would you rather have Houston's 1st, ours and Phillys second, our 3rd and 4th or Garappolo, TY and Benjamin?

26 picks in the last two years and Garrett is the only impact player, who can't even get on the field and a monkey could of picked him first.

Forgot to mention taking Kessler over Dak. I looked at 10 draft sites from last year. 1 had Kessler as a 4th round pick, 2 a fifth, 4 a 6th and 3 as a UDFA. For Dak...1 a 2nd, 4 a 3rd and 5 a 4th. WTH are these people looking at?

QB DAK PRESCOTT

DRAFTED BY: COWBOYS ROUND 4 PICK 37 OVERALL 135

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/dak-prescott?id=2555260

DRAFT PROJECTION Round 3

I find nowhere, where Dak is projected as a 1st round pick or even a second rounder..

how many times did all 32 teams pass on Dak?

IF everybody in the NFL had him at 1st or 2nd round he would not have been drafted in round four.

I didn't say he was a first rounder and only one I saw had him as a second. You're post says he was a third, proves my point. Kessler was at best a 5th.

you are correct lol Kessler was a 5th round projection.

just saying not many thought of Dak as the guy. or he would have been drafted in the first or second...that's all

jag..from the same source nfl.com link

Here is what they said about Cody Kessler...



ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Baseline accuracy is pro quality. Never had a completion percentage lower than 65 percent as a three-­year starter. Will take what the defense gives them and keep the chains moving. Able to play "backyard catch" with open receivers underneath if defenses let him. Delivered from the pocket with a 70.4 completion percentage rate. Adequate arm strength. Good general sense of running an offense. Gets through progressions quickly. Has pocket feel with ability to climb the pocket to throw or escape from side doors when necessary.

WEAKNESSES Just a shade over 6-foot-1, which is smaller than teams like. Below average move accuracy as a passer. Ability to hit targets with catchable throws falls off the table when forced to scramble. Doesn't show poise or arm strength for deep routes needing additional time to develop. Footwork unsettled by perceived pocket pressure. Tends to hesitate over anticipating and trusting his arm. Low-risk, low-reward approach. Rarely makes the "wow" throws with velocity or touch. Feet look jittery when moving from read to read.

DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 5 or 6

NFL COMPARISON Aaron Murray

BOTTOM LINE Can orchestrate an offense with confidence and accuracy when operating from a clean pocket, but doesn't appear to have the mentality of a player willing to take the risks necessary to strike with big plays often enough on the pro level. Kessler has moments where it is easy to like him on tape, but the traits and tape look more like those of a good, career backup than playoff starter.

Some attempt to push responsibility for the CK pick onto Hue Jackson because of Hue's "trust me" comment..reading this, imo, there is no way HJ thought Kessler was the answer to the Browns needs at QB and wanted the front office to pick him 2 or 3 rounds before he was projected to be drafted.

Hue's "trust me" comment was an effort to remove some of the heat the Browns were taking for drafting Kessler, imo.

True...all I know is that seeing Wentz and Watson(who's breaking records) tear it up, makes me want to puke. It's cool though because we have Peppers playing in Akron and Coleman 😒

yea lol and I didn't like either one...yea me...

Haha...I didn't like Wentz, but it was all my Dad would talk about. I watched the draft with him. When they traded the pick he went upstairs to his room and I didn't see him for the night. It's all he talks about now lol. Hooker, then Watson were my favorites at the pick this year.

dude I wanted Ju Ju at 52

dude I wanted Ju Ju at 52 [/quote]

Me too or Awuzie. Not sure if he's doing anything on Dallas. My boss is a huge Notre Dame fan and he said Kizer sucks.

The cowboys didn’t even want him ... the dude they wanted went the pick before there’s ... the reason hes on their team isn’t because there geniuses it’s cause they GOT STUCK WITH HIM ...

The revisionist history going on with Wentz, Watson and now Dak is iNCREDIBLE ..

There gone anyhow ... at least they should be ... crap ... honestly ... i have no clue why their not gone all ready ...

What revisionist history is that? I have no idea what any of these posters thought we should do regarding these QBs, nor do I care.

Somebody within the Eagles organization saw something and gave up the #8 pick, a third, and a fourth in 2016, a first in 2017, and a 2nd in 2018 to move up to get him... and it looks like they have their QB for the next 15 years... and what do we have?

Somebody within the Texans organization saw something and gave up the #25 pick and a first in 2018 to move up to get him... and it looks like they have their QB for the next 15 years... and what do we have?

I didn't know how good Wentz was going to be and I didn't know how good Watson was going to be.... but then I don't get paid a huge salary to know such things... it's not my job. But those within the Browns whose job it is, keep failing miserably. And that's not revising history at all.

I guess i could say that jimmy g has a short resume and so does mccarron. so maybe, if they dont stud out in the future this copy machine oopsie might be forgivable.

now we have to also hope brock doesnt win games looking good this year.

Should they continue to get a pass? I'm not sure they are getting one now.

But, it depends on the deal the Haslams made with Sashi and crew.

Did they say to them, no matter what, you have 3 years. Win, Lose or Draw, you got three years.

If he said that, he may be regretting it at this point, but if that's the deal, then that's the deal

So maybe the haslams give them another year. Not sure I can sustain being a fan that long without wins. Just don't think I can.

Yeah, I bet she sent an email of her frustrations. Marked it with "High Importance" and etc, Sashi is just getting in the office now I bet getting ready to read it over his cup of $10 coffee.

GO BROWNS!

I understand the difference between an nfl gm getting paid millions and an arm chair fan like myself ... thanks for clearing that up though ...

I also understand that its not easy to find a franchise QB ... its actually one of the most diffucult jobs there is even for the paid pro’s ...

I also understand hindsight’s 20/20 and they wouldn’t trade down if they got a do over ...

I also understand we had many holes to fill and understand why they did what they did ...

I also understand Wentz may be dead if he played here last year and theres a good chance stat guys like U would think he sucks if we took him ...

I also understand that its way to early to declare Watson a franchise guy ... its called a RUSH TO JUDGEMENT ... were u one of the guys sculpting RG3 and Kaps HOF busts after their rookie years? ..

I also understand revisionist history and am not a fan of hypocrisy ....

I also understand how frustrated u are ...

I also understand I can’t complain about your condescension in your reply to me cause every once in awhile I may come off as condescending ... *L* ...

She called at yelled at them ...

WOW ... the thief isn’t the only one with a temper in the family ...

Glad she got to vent .. when do we get to vent to her and the thief ... i’d have a few choice words for them ...

Yelling and scolding ... thats a good mgmt. style ... very productive ....

I wonder why they haven’t been fired yet .... maybe the thief’s hatchet is in for sharpening .. .as often as he uses it, its prolly pretty dull .... *L* ...

I find some humor in that it was DEE Haslam going nuclear ( not James ) .. Alway's wondered who wore the Pants ! lol

The Haslam's need look no further than their mirror to find the guilty party's in all this .

I'm not sure they can or even want to.....and this include both the FO and Hue. They (The Haslems) already look horrible across the league in hiring and firing folks within one or two years. I'm not sure they can....And I can make the case they shouldn't.

I still think the odds on favorite is everyone will go....I'm not sure that the best thing, regardless of what's transpired the past 72 hours.

No blinders buddy. Just reporting FACTS.

I wonder if Dee and Hubby went ballistic because we didn't get AJ or just because it made us look even more stupid. Or both.

In Comic Sans

After the mess of the last couple of days, I thought someone--or all of them--would be gone by now.

Yet, we haven't heard a peep from them.

I think the silence speaks to the Haslams not wanting to blow this thing up again because they know how bad Jimmy's rep is in regards to making knee-jerk decisions.

I think they really want to keep things together, but that is going to be tough to pull off for a couple of reasons.

1. How are they going to get the FO and coaching staff to trust one another and work together? There is obviously a huge rift between them.

2. How can you keep an employee who was most-likely insubordinate or at the very least--incompetent?

If they keep everyone in place, it will be interesting to hear the story they concoct. LOL

It's gotta be tough to come up w/something that doesn't sound extremely ridiculous and that is why it's taking them so long.

But, that at least tells me they really don't want to blow this thing up and I guess that is a sign of progress.

I hope the dreaded vote of confidence isn't coming (publicly)

But the losing is making this so hard - if Jimmy has any true leadership in him, he will pull Sashi and Hue together and tell them - we good, nothing is changing, let's get a win and keep our heads on straight for year 3 of our plan.

It sounds like Hue and Jimmy were scrambling to make a move for AJ.

I dont have much hope.

No, the front office is incompetent.