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You're the owner, how would you turn this mess around?

" Hello Mr Bellichic, ... Hello. Hello!"

It was worth a shot.

I fire everybody - down to the ushers in the stadium, offer a refund to all season ticket holders and immediately send a letter to the league informing them I'm cutting my losses and we're closing our doors and will no longer attempt to impersonate an NFL franchise. I offer the city of Cleveland to turn the stadium into a lakefront park - a parking lot - an annex to the Rock Hall - anything in an attempt to make amends for the gross ineptitude displayed over the last two decades.

Put the poor dog out of its misery and move on with our lives.

No, you won't.

And I am okay w/that. It's who you are.

Here we go.............subject matter is gone. Personal attacks are in full gear.

Ok, You! are not allowed to buy the team. Bleak.

Oh come now, that was funny.

Thanks bro.

For all the Manning in the FO talk, I honestly think he'd be better as an OC.

I don't see him actually joining the NFL scene full time again until his kids are thru high school, though, so the best we can probably hope for is some kind of consultant/guest coach arrangement for the next decade or so.


As far as the OP,

Don't think I could convince anyone worth having to come to this dumpster fire right now, so I'd probably have to resort to trying to figure out how to convince everyone we have already to stop feeling sorry for themselves and to start doing something about it. Make it be known that finger pointing won't be tolerated unless it is self-directed because not a single person in the organization is without blame. Start having more combined meetings (ex. QBs and WRs in the same room) and trying to establish more/better communication throughout the organization. We need to get everyone on the same page.

I'd probably try to get more leadership training going for the coaches and the players. Try to convince Urban to come up and talk with Sashi and Hue about team building and culture.

I'd try to convince Hue to bring in an OC to at least share some of the load.

Said it time and again.

John Dorsey is sitting there doing nothing and he is probably a top 5 talent evaluator in the NFL. They would be nuts not to get him.

He also got fired because he clashed with Andy Reid. I'm not saying he's not the guy, I'm saying that should be considered.

I know the name, but does anyone want to educate the board about Dorsey?

Yes cfrs......I can do my own search and I will, but many will not. Thus, is anyone willing to educate all of us on Dorsey?

It is really really simple. Find or develop the QB.

Success in the NFL is dependent upon competent QB play.

Everything else is secondary.

Well, odds are you aren't going to find that "one guy" who seems to do everything well from draft to coach to hire assistants, etc.. (aka Belichick).. so you are going to have to build a team..

One of the biggest problems we always seem to have is this infighting between the FO and the staff, except when we tried to give it to one guy... unfortunately that one guy was never Belichick...

We are going to have to overpay, but the first thing I do is find the guy at the top.. I would reach out to folks like Charlie Casserly, Bill Polian, and a few others to get their input to find the guy that belongs at the top... the new President of my Cleveland Browns...

Then I would sit back and write checks...

That President then has to pick the GM, and with the GM pick the coach, the coach has final say in his assistants.. he sets the rules on who has final authority on draft day, who sets the roster, etc... he determines how much input the coach has on personnel decisions...

See, the way the original question is posed is a part of our problem... you want the owner to figure out who to hire as GM, coach, which players to keep, etc... I'm not qualified to do that (well maybe I'd want some input into the GM but nothing below that). I'm a billionaire, not a football guy so my involvement in those important decisions is only likely to recreate the cluster that we have seen for decades... where we have this power struggle and folks doing tasks they aren't good at.... infighting, lack of authority and accountability... questioning who was actually responsible for poor draft picks, how much influence the owner had, etc... it's a horrible business model. Hire people who are good at their jobs and then get out of the way and let them do their jobs.

John Dorsey (American football)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
John Dorsey
Personal information
Date of birth: August 30, 1960 (age 57)
Place of birth: Leonardtown, Maryland, U.S.
Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Weight: 240 lb (109 kg)
Career information
College: Connecticut
NFL Draft: 1984 / Round: 4 / Pick: 99
Career history
Green Bay Packers (1984–1989)
As administrator:
Green Bay Packers (1991–1996) (Scout)
Green Bay Packers (1997–1998) (Director of College Scouting)
Seattle Seahawks (1999) (Director of Player Personnel)
Green Bay Packers (2000–2011) (Director of College Scouting)
Green Bay Packers (2012) (Director of Football Operations)
Kansas City Chiefs (2013–2016) (General Manager)
Career NFL statistics
Player stats at NFL.com
John Michael Dorsey (born August 30, 1960) is an American football executive and former player, who most recently served as the General Manager of the Kansas City Chiefs in the National Football League from the 2013 season through the 2016 season.[1] He is a former National Football League player for the Green Bay Packers, and later served, for two decades, in the Packers' Scouting Department, including Director of College Scouting from 2000-2012.[2] He served as the Seattle Seahawks Director of Player Personnel in 1999, between two stints in Green Bay's Front Office.

Contents [hide]
1 College career
2 Professional career
2.1 Green Bay Packers
3 Administrative career
3.1 Green Bay Packers
3.2 Seattle Seahawks
3.3 Second stint with the Packers
3.4 Kansas City Chiefs
4 Personal life
5 Honors
6 References
College career[edit]
Dorsey was a four-year starter at linebacker for the University of Connecticut Huskies, being twice named Yankee Conference Defensive Player of the Year as well as an NCAA Division I-AA All-American honors.[3]

Professional career[edit]
Green Bay Packers[edit]
Dorsey was a 4th round pick by the Green Bay Packers in the 1984 NFL Draft. He played five seasons for Green Bay at linebacker and on special teams.[3] His thirty-five special teams tackles for the Packers in 1984 is still a team record.[4]

Dorsey spent the 1989 season on the injured reserve list after suffering a knee injury during pre-game warmups of the Packers regular season opener, effectively ending his playing days.[4] He totaled 130 tackles and two fumble recoveries during his five-year career.[3]

Administrative career[edit]
Green Bay Packers[edit]
After his playing career ended, Dorsey chose to remain in football, taking a job as a college scout for the Packers in May 1991. He was later promoted to Director of College Scouting for the team in February 1997.[3]

Seattle Seahawks[edit]
In January 1999, Dorsey followed former Packers coach Mike Holmgren to the Seattle Seahawks, assuming the role of the team's Director of Player Personnel.[3] Dorsey resigned in 2000.

Second stint with the Packers[edit]
In 2000, Dorsey returned to the Packers, taking over again as Director of College Scouting. He remained in that position through 2011, and winning a Super Bowl ring. In 2012, he was named Director of Football Operations.[3] He is credited with making the Packers one of the best drafting teams in the NFL, helping choose star players like Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews and Greg Jennings.[4]

Kansas City Chiefs[edit]
On January 13, 2013, Dorsey became the general manager of the Kansas City Chiefs.[5] The move reunited Dorsey with new Chiefs head coach Andy Reid. The pair served on the Green Bay Packers coaching staff together from 1992 to 1997.[1] It had previously been announced that Reid would have the final say in football matters when he came over from Philadelphia, but the Chiefs have since announced that Dorsey will have the same authority over personnel as other NFL general managers.[5] On June 22, 2017 the Chiefs and Dorsey agreed to part ways, effective immediately.[6]

Personal life[edit]
Dorsey attended and graduated from St. Mary's High School in Annapolis. He earned a bachelor's degree in Political Science and Economics from the University of Connecticut.

He and wife Patricia are the parents of three sons and a daughter.[3] The couple first met in Kansas City while Dorsey was on a scouting trip for the Packers. After several years of dating they were married in 2005.[7]

Dorsey has competed in multiple marathon races in addition to being an avid water skier.[8]

Honors[edit]
1987 - Green Bay Packers "Man of the Year" for civic contributions[8]
1998 - Selected to the University of Connecticut 100th Anniversary All-Time Football Team[8]
2002 - Inducted into the Anne Arundel County, Maryland Sports Hall of Fame[8]
2016 - Inducted into Fork Union Military Academy Sports Hall of Fame

You clean house and start over.

Hue Jackson sealed his fate by his waffling of QB...his handling of the QB position has been absolutely atrocious...you don't bench a 21 year old rookie Qb 4 and half games in...thats just pure idiocy...if you can't accept the fact that rookie Qb are going to make mistakes, then don't start a rookie QB.

As for whom to hire?

Ideally we get Peyton Manning, and Peyton Manning brings in long time friend Tony Dungy into the Front Office to help him, and then we can get a quality coach considering these two guys have very strong connections to some great coaching candidates....Dungy would be able to help this organiaztion sooo much especially in a role like Vice President of Player Personnel working alongside Manning.

if that doesn't happen, I think you get McDaniels and Caserio from New England and then simply follow the course...unlike the schmucks we have in the FO now, neither of these two options will make boneheaded ignornant moves like the current FO and coahcing staff has hence why things would probably work out.

I;ll tell you right now, getting Manning would give us instant credbility, and he isn't cut from the cloth of a loser, he WILL use that salary cap money and those draft picks to get us competitive as soon as absolutely possible, competiitve football is in his blood and he won't be satisfied with losing...and thats EXACTLY what this organiztion needs...a guy that isn't cut from the cloth of a loser and who won't put up with losing...Manning is probably that guy

If I am the owner at this point I don't think I fire anyone. I like some of the things that the FO has done and I believe Hue Jackson has potential to be a good coach. What is missing is that Football guru type in the front office. We need a guy that when it comes to a conflict on draft day between Hue and Sashi on who to draft or picks to trade has the final say and breaks the tie.
Also, this guy would have the final say on players released, signed etc. in the event of a conflict between coaches and FO.
Lastly this individual must evaluate Hue and determine if Hue is capable of being the head coach and OC. I believe that either Hue should be made to bring an OC on board or hire a guy to groom as the future OC.

Until we demonstrate stability we will never be a good organization.

Hire a guy like Manning or and experience GM/ Football operations type to be the final say on football matters. Let Hue continue to coach and Sashi and Co. to worry about the business end and numbers etc. They can even continue to prepare draft and trade strategies etc. but the final say has to be a football decision and not a numbers decision.

I do not know who we might bring in as an OC, I guess that would be Hues call. If we where to groom someone for that future role, maybe some one from the college ranks for example Tee Martin USC. Although he is being mentioned as a potential Head Coaching candidate in the college ranks, I guess it depends on what his career goals are.

Good guys don't come without full control. It's really not that hard to figure out. Hasn't happened much throughout history.
Manning ( or any other top candidate) isn't popping in and meshing with Sashi and the gang like old pals.

So much for sticking with the plan. Right, everyone?!

I don't think the plan has stuck with us.

Look at our plan, haha. We can see so much incompetence that it's not even shameful and pathetic. It's where I can't even find adjectives to come up with. It's clear we have no idea what we're doing. I'd like Hue to get a chance to correct his little mistakes (mainly getting an OC and leaving him the control) and getting a front office that can and will work for and with him on team needs. We've passed up on many, many needed pieces just to see other teams gather the needed element, including and mostly at QB.

This plan is horrible.

I'd keep on drafting young talent and just keep digging. I remember back in the 70's when the Steelers just flat stunk on ice for a few years. Everyone was losing their minds. But the ownership just kept on chipping away. I don't see anything else that has worked for the Browns. The Team's biggest problem is the fact that it keeps churning everything over and over every couple of years. Time to stay off that grinder for a while.

I agree to a degree, but if you keep bringing in 8-9-10 rookies a year, something has to give.

My thinking is to turn 10 picks in to 5 picks. Even 4.

No draft day trades in 2018. Pick BPA. Get an experienced veteran QB on the roster immediately. Get a NFL professional "rock star" talent hawk and talent acquisition negotiator. Keep Hue and the coaching staff and dump Moneyball tactics. Build thru the draft and vigorously go after top FA's in 2018. Tell Hue to ride Josh Gordon like a rented mule. Work him hard.

Hell just do it like the other NFL teams do it and stop trying to out smart yourselves.

I had hoped we could be Green Bay-ish. Sell the Browns to the fans and let the city run much of it. Re-instate the previous Dawg Pound. Get a top shelf talent guy for three to five years and work him. Sell stock to fans. Get at least 15% veterans on roster, with best vet available at QB.

We have stressed losing now over eventually winning. Our use of analytics and our choice in deciders is right up there with a handful of magic beans. If my choices here are all bad and totally wrong, what is the worst that could happen? Well, we might lose a few games . . . .

I still keep everyone.

1. Remove Hue from personnel decision of a QB and let him focus on the team. Tell him ifMike Silver or his daughter tweet one more time about family business, he's going to the curb.

2. Dee needs to tell Jimmy to stop interferring with personnel decisions.

3. Keep drafting young talent and perhaps spend the farm for Cousins.

If there is no way for the FO and Hue to work together then you need to get rid of one. If that's the case, I say goodbye to Hue. The plan remains with the FO, not with Hue.

So we can bring in another coach and let him deal with this joke of a front office? Can't even make a freaking trade? Can't pin point talent?

It looks grim no matter which direction is taken. It already is to the point this FO can't work with this coach. Hue has let me down, but this front office has destroyed me.

JMO of course

I think someones head needs to roll.

it was sashis watch. I start with him.

I find someone that wants to work with the current coaching staff though, we cannot go through a complete rebuild again, we just cannot.

I find a gm willing willing to stick it out with either hue or Williams as HC. I would not throw out the possibility of hue being held accountable either.

I would tell new GM, you either keep hue and staff as is, or you give the reigns to Williams and work with him.

then I tell new GM, you have one job, and one job only your first year. That is to find us a QB. You let the rest of your department eval and scout every other position. Your sole job, is to find a QB.

You do realize that the tweet and Silver have pointed out that Hue IS NOT in on the personnel decision on QB. He lobbyied for RGIII , but he wanted Goff, Wentz, JG, and AJ. The FO has shut him out on all (well minus goff cause they couldn't get him. I think you need to shut out the FO on QB decision.

I wonder what kind of coach would want to work w/this FO?

It's not like Sashi's crimes haven't been made public.

They made close to 20 trades in 18 monthts, you think they forgot how to do that? Also, you want AJ McCarron for a 2nd and 3rd? I sure as hell didn't.

I get the frustration with the FO. And with Hue. I have it. I don't think it's as bad as others do. I think we got saved by not making that deal.

Hue didn't want Wentz. Sorry.

And you'd give up a 2nd/3rd for McCarron? Phew.

I would be okay w/that. I never figured out how Sashi got the job in the first place. Let him do what he knows......which is handle the business side of things.

I don't think your taking into the account, that the FO has put us in the position that WE HAVE TO GIVE up 2nd and 3rd for a backup. Its not about AJ, personally I think that was a bad deal. But if they did their job, we wouldn't have to be grasping at straws now would we....

Maybe we can convince Manning to do a QB search for us, but I can't see him wanting the full job.

Tab, I don't see how you can keep sashi. He either botched that trade on purpose, or he did it for being inept. incompetent or insubordinate, neither is a good look.

j/c:

Does anyone think that Manning would leave the building at 5:00 every day?

I know it's a dream that he comes here, but I guarantee that no one would outwork him. I guarantee he would be accountable. I guarantee that he would hold others accountable. I guarantee that he would take a lot of pride in being the best at his job.

Those are good attributes and I don't think anyone who knows anything about P. Manning would dispute any of them.