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But actually in the long run I'm glad the deal did not go through. Maybe McCarron would have been good for Hue's system.


While everyone is focused on this McCarron deal that did not happen, the ultimate sin for our front office was not putting themselves in the thick of the Garoppolo deal they slept through.

I understand that it is common for lawyers to work 9-5..but rarely in the NFL do General Managers work 9-5, nor do they expect to work those kind of hours.


I've been away from the Internet for several days no wifi for phone or internet. So do you know this for a fact about their none involvement with a Garropolo deal or are you just making an ASSumption?

Is this a fact? or Opinion I guess is what I'm asking.
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I wonder why they haven’t been fired yet .... maybe the thief’s hatchet is in for sharpening .. .as often as he uses it, its prolly pretty dull .... *L* ...


I'm not sure they can or even want to.....and this include both the FO and Hue. They (The Haslems) already look horrible across the league in hiring and firing folks within one or two years. I'm not sure they can....And I can make the case they shouldn't.

I still think the odds on favorite is everyone will go....I'm not sure that the best thing, regardless of what's transpired the past 72 hours.


I thought up until the NIGHTMARE in THE FACTORY OF SADNESS there was no way anyone would be fired for exactly the reason u said above ... he simply couldn’t ...

I now believe they have to fire the FO ... i think he loses more credibility by the hour ...

There hands have been forced by DYSFUNCTION .... these guys aren’t working together ... and he can’t let them continue to WORK APART ... its TOXIC now ...




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*L*at the concocting a story .... i never thought of that ...

I think they have no choice now ... it’s TOXIC ... no way do they ever work good together ... know way they ever trust each other again ....

trying to salvage this dysfunction is even more incompetent than what they did to tie their hands in the first place ...

.... its sad that all we have to look forward to is the story they make up to EMBERASS us once again ...




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1. How are they going to get the FO and coaching staff to trust one another and work together? There is obviously a huge rift between them.

2. How can you keep an employee who was most-likely insubordinate or at the very least--incompetent?


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Sorry, but I'm on the west coast, so I had to read a good couple pages of posts in order to catch up.

Regarding the emails, I was the one that put it out there that I thought was Williams. I thought I had made it clear that it was a pure guess on my part, but at some point that became "fact", and people got bent out of shape. My bad, I will try to make it extra extra clear next time.

If what folks are saying about Wylie and the emails are true, then yeah... that makes more sense. He seems to be tight with Hue, and I don't think Hue is going anywhere (just another guess... be cool everyone).

I'm glad that ownership went nuclear on the FO. They deserve to be treated like a bunch of morons, because that's what they showed this week. Talked about how they would add talent to the roster before the deadline, and then watched everyone else make deals.


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Lost in all this hullabaloo about Garrapalo and McCaron and who wanted what (browns wise) and who offered what, etc., is we now have 3 qb's on our team that that have seen themselves degraded by such a "team, coach, front office" desire to bench them.

I know none of them have been good - kizer, hogan, kessler - but now they have this hanging over their heads also.

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Lost in all this hullabaloo about Garrapalo and McCaron and who wanted what (browns wise) and who offered what, etc., is we now have 3 qb's on our team that that have seen themselves degraded by such a "team, coach, front office" desire to bench them.

I know none of them have been good - kizer, hogan, kessler - but now they have this hanging over their heads also.


They don't deserve to hold their heads up at this point anyways. Their play on the field is more than enough for them to live in shame.


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oobs...not sure what you are talking about..but we're cool! thumbsup

Don't worry about agreeing or disagreeing with me or anyone..speak your mind and let us know your opinion..your opinions are just as respected as the next guy.





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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Lost in all this hullabaloo about Garrapalo and McCaron and who wanted what (browns wise) and who offered what, etc., is we now have 3 qb's on our team that that have seen themselves degraded by such a "team, coach, front office" desire to bench them.

I know none of them have been good - kizer, hogan, kessler - but now they have this hanging over their heads also.


True. Kizer must love that Hue wanted his former backup QB in Cincy. The "ride or die", "ups and downs" comment was clearly a bunch of BS.

I get it....you want to have the best QB, but Kizer must be even more depressed and suffering from a lack of confidence than last game.


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Maybe Sashi can create a "safe space" for his quarterbacks?

I think the QB who is in the most awkward situation is McCarron. LOL.......that's gotta be uncomfortable for all the parties involved.

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Some just don't seem to get it...Kizer should be playing behind someone with more NFL experience, so he can learn and not be thrown to the dogs.

Who know, maybe Hue thought McCaron could win a game of two.

Nothing wrong with letting Kizer struggle and he too might win a game or two. But Hue has a very good instinct concerning what happens to HCs who win only a game or two...in two seasons...can't blame the guy for thinking his job is on the line.

I read something about the entire coaching staff feeling they are toast if the Browns don't win some games soon.

Hue is not only trying to save his job, but the jobs of his entire coaching staff.

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Lost in all this hullabaloo about Garrapalo and McCaron and who wanted what (browns wise) and who offered what, etc., is we now have 3 qb's on our team that that have seen themselves degraded by such a "team, coach, front office" desire to bench them.

I know none of them have been good - kizer, hogan, kessler - but now they have this hanging over their heads also.


They don't deserve to hold their heads up at this point anyways. Their play on the field is more than enough for them to live in shame.


I agree with you. They haven't earned the right to feel stable in their jobs.

What this does tell me, however, is that as an organization we've pretty much already completely stepped off the Kizer train.


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Some just don't seem to get it...Kizer should be playing behind someone with more NFL experience, so he can learn and not be thrown to the dogs.


Like DeShaun Watson?


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Some just don't seem to get it...Kizer should be playing behind someone with more NFL experience, so he can learn and not be thrown to the dogs.


Like DeShaun Watson?


Watson was better prepared for the NFL due to his experience and coaching and playing college ball at the highest level for 1 year longer than Kizer.

Also, I believe the Texans have better players supporting Watson at key positions, such as WR.

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Lost in all this hullabaloo about Garrapalo and McCaron and who wanted what (browns wise) and who offered what, etc., is we now have 3 qb's on our team that that have seen themselves degraded by such a "team, coach, front office" desire to bench them.

I know none of them have been good - kizer, hogan, kessler - but now they have this hanging over their heads also.


They don't deserve to hold their heads up at this point anyways. Their play on the field is more than enough for them to live in shame.


I agree with you. They haven't earned the right to feel stable in their jobs.

What this does tell me, however, is that as an organization we've pretty much already completely stepped off the Kizer train.


I certainly hope I led anyone to believe that our current qb's were feeling "stable" in their jobs.

All I was saying was this whole fiasco has more than likely further decimated them.

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mac,

I'm pretty sure I was the first post that floated it out there about Williams being the one that sent those emails to reporters. It was just a wild theory, but it started some small arguments. You're right, no biggy... but there's so much to argue about and get angry about right now, I don't want to add to that.

I really appreciate the last part of your post. I'm not always very nice to you. I need to get better at that. When I get angry about the Browns, I tend to snap and be a smartass at certain posters. I gotta do better about that.

Thanks for your post.


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I also understand Wentz may be dead if he played here last year and theres a good chance stat guys like U would think he sucks if we took him ...

There is a better chance our OL would look better (even though they don't grade out all that bad) if we didn't have a QB that pats the ball and stares at one guy for 5 seconds.

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Watson has played 6 NFL games.. already shown more than any QB we've had in 19 years.. and to your actual question.. no.

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Why do you keep calling it revisionist history? I'm not revising history.... nor am I being hypocritical.. please explain.


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I said last year in regards to ‘Wentz ... not this year ... this year if he didn’t get ruined last year ... you’d start to see him develop because of the improved OL play ..

I didn’t question what Watson has done ... not at all .. very impressed with the young man ... im rooting for him ... its just way to early to say hes a franchise guy ... all signs are pointing up ...

When i said revisionist history i wasn’t reffering to u ... i have no clue what u thought of Wentz or Watson ...

Was my post directed to u? ... if so .. i forgot to hit j/c ...




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Regaring the report that Dee Haslem went "nuclear"

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Nuclear = Grossly Exaggerated

https://twitter.com/TheRealLA__/status/926148338067628038


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On topic.

No the FO should not continue to get a pass.

Conceptually the Sashi Plan was appealing and that is why Haslam bought in.

However, plans often do not turn into reality. The reasons in this case are because they assumed to much. They didn't plan for the worst case scenarios. Like injuries to key players. Or the contributions expected from guys like Britt. Or the rapid development of second year players.

The biggest problem with the Sashi plan is that they have accumulated heavy draft capital and cap space but they "assumed" that they could correctly evaluate talent. They have been proven wrong in that assumption. They have passed on superior talent and collected players who have had little to no impact.

They have distanced themselves from their Head Coach.

Garoppolo was there for the taking. They have Three second round picks. That is why you accumulate picks to make deals like this. If necessary you out bid the competition to get your guys. Their failure in not getting Garoppolo is criminal in light of their need and current record.

Sashi Brown and company have used up their good will. They have failed the team and the fans of this team. And Jimmy Haslam is guilty for not understanding what has to done in order succeed.

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memp...who are those guys?


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I agree. I also think his insubordination or ineptness should lead to his dismissal.

You can't have employees in a very public position defying the owner's instructions.

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Vers, I was very skeptical of Sashi right from the beginning. However, I went along and gave him the benefit of the doubt.

But here we are. You can not run from the results.

For those that want to lay the blame on Hue Jackson you only have to see the lack of playmakers. There is no coach in football that could win with this team.

I have not given up on Kizer but at the same time there is no way in hell I don't land Garoppolo.

Now the organization is fractured. I do not see how they continue as is.

I hope that the coaching staff can stay on. That would make easy on the players. But Sashi has to go.

My dream scenario is putting Peyton into the same role that Elway has in Denver. Haslam has to come to grips with the fact that he is at fault. I don't know him and have no idea if he has that type of humility. People that come from that kind of family wealth often do not. All I can do is hope.

It breaks my heart to see what has become of my team.

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It breaks my heart to see what has become of my team.


If only the Browns owners and management had a clue about the pain Browns fans feel.


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https://twitter.com/TheRealLA__/status/926148338067628038

I'm disappointed.. I was hoping they DID go nuclear.


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I asked before...who are these guys tweeting?...

...are they credible?


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Regaring the report that Dee Haslem went "nuclear"

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Nuclear = Grossly Exaggerated

https://twitter.com/TheRealLA__/status/926148338067628038

I'm disappointed.. I was hoping they DID go nuclear.


So, a potential Chernobyl may have been a mere Three-Mile Island.

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When i said revisionist history i wasn’t reffering to u ... i have no clue what u thought of Wentz or Watson ...

Well I can tell you.. I wasn't as high on Wentz, primarily because I didn't know a ton about him.. I thought taking him at 2 was very risky and probably not something I would have done. I wasn't all that upset trading out of that spot.

Watson I was much higher on.. I don't think I would have taken him at #1 but I would have definitely taken him at #12 and I would have taken him over Trubisky. Especially, ESPECIALLY, if I had ANY inclination to take a different, much lower rated (by my own standards), QB in the heart of the 2nd round. That is probably the part that ticks me off the most.. we passed on a QB I wanted, apparently to get better "value" by taking a less talented QB 40 spots later.. You just can't do that with the QB position. Can you pick a great safety at #12 and forego the DE and take one later? Yea, you have to make those trade off decisions every year.. but QB is different, if you are going to take one, and you are looking for a starter because you don't have one, you absolutely have to take the best one, not look for "value" in the later rounds.

Maybe they thought Kizer was better than the others, I didn't but that's always a possibility.. then I have to ask myself, why were they gambling? Why not take him at #25? Why wait and risk losing the QB you actually want if you think he's that good?

I would probably be less ticked about the whole thing if we had never drafted Kizer.. at least then I could have thought that they believed in Kessler or they were deferring the decision for a year to build other positions.. I could have at least come up with a logical explanation for why they passed on Watson, but when they took Kizer, all of my logical explanations went out the window.. I just hoped they saw something in Kizer that I did not...


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I asked before...who are these guys tweeting?...

...are they credible?


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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Regaring the report that Dee Haslem went "nuclear"

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Nuclear = Grossly Exaggerated

https://twitter.com/TheRealLA__/status/926148338067628038


there something i should see there?


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DC,

I think that the Browns thought that all the QBs in the draft were going to end up being projects. Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahomes... the whole lot. They decided that taking Kizer later minimized the risk without sacrificing too much of the upside.

I can understand that line of thinking but, as we've seen, it has turned out to be wrong.

The way you explained it was good in that it made me understand your frustration. I get what you're saying now about passing on Watson for a later QB.


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I asked before...who are these guys tweeting?...

...are they credible?


OBR


where it say obr?


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Yep. I'm not the biggest fan of LA/OBR, but I'd take them over Tony Grossi, to be honest. Especially since "Grossi exaggerated" is something I would already agree with, even without context. Hahaha.

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It scares me that Hue demanded McCarron. I am glad some screwed up the deal...be it on purpose. That's even better actually. It means someone was thinking clearly.


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Reading Between The Lines, Sashi Brown Is The Last Reasonable Man In Berea

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Move over JFK assassination freaks, there’s a new conspiracy in town.

That town is Berea, and the principled parties are Browns ownership, key decision maker Sashi Brown, and head coach Hue Jackson.

The team’s failed attempt to land Bengals backup QB AJ McCarron is one of the more spectacular cluster-franks in team, nay NFL, history … and is at the center of said conspiracy.

The general gist of the story is that the Browns were negotiating to acquire McCarron around the NFL’s 4 pm trade deadline on Tuesday. After agreeing to compensation, the deal failed to go through due to procedural issues most likely on the Browns end.

The why behind the failure is the real story, and where conspiratorial forces may have been at play. Initially it was thought to be a clerical error, which makes sense given the Browns recent history of full blown incompetence.

One theory that’s gained traction since the trade fell through is that Brown purposefully killed the deal.

Jim Owczarski of the Cincinnati Enquirer sparked the initial this theory with his take on the deal.

“Multiple league sources told The Enquirer there was a disconnect in Cleveland between the personnel department and the coaching staff about McCarron, which has hindered talks between the two franchises about the quarterback dating back to the spring.”

It’s not the Zapruder film but it’ll do.

Jackson is clearly a fan of McCarron from his time in Cincinnati. He’s been complementary of McCarron both during his time in Cincinnati and now in Cleveland.

The Browns front office has no ties to McCarron and reportedly preferred Patriots backup Jimmy Garoppolo and spent the off-season chasing the now former Patriot.

Additionally, there is nothing about trading a 2nd and 3rd round pick for an unproven backup halfway through the season that screams analytics.

It’s a move that cries desperation in the face of a 1-23 start to the Hue Jackson era.

Flawed as they have been, the Browns front office has not shown the propensity to panic. The initial onslaught of free agency in 2016 didn’t cause them to panic.

Nor did the failed hardball negotiations of Terrelle Pryor’s agent. In both cases, the front office kept composure and moved on.

“If you don’t like what they are saying about you, change the conversation.” Don Draper uttered these immortal words to a client who was sick of being savaged in the press in an episode of Mad Men.

It’s clear that this was a panic move meant to satiate fans pissed off at a 1-23 record. Fans who are pissed that the quarterback the Browns spent last off-season chasing, Jimmy Garoppolo, ended up in San Francisco for a reasonable price.

So if this move is about desperation and alarm, who are the parties in the Browns organization prone to such thinking?

The Haslam ownership group has been one gross overreaction after another since taking over roughly six years ago.

From hiring to firing Joe Banner, promoting Ray Farmer to not lose him, drafting Johnny Manziel for the immediate relevance he’d bring as much as his actual prospects as a football player, and blowing up regimes after 1 and 2 years, this is the Haslam’s track record of composure.

Despite preaching patience at the start of the season, worry, and doubt have become a clear issue again for the Haslam’s.

“I have been told the Haslams are deeply concerned about starting to lose their fanbase,” 92.3 The Fan’s Brown’s beat reporter Daryl Ruiter shed light on the ownership’s struggles during an appearance on the Ken Carman Show Monday morning.

Make a headline now to placate and distract fans from the fact you can’t run your organization properly.

Hue Jackson has also shown he will lose reason in the face of pressure. Just this year he has benched his quarterback DeShone Kizer multiple times in the name of winning despite promising to ride out the rookie struggles, and bungled in-game timely decisions when the pressure hit.

This deal is eerily similar to one that Jackson made in 2011 as head coach/dictator of the Oakland Raiders. After a quick start to the season under future former Browns QB Jason Campbell, the team hit a skid when Campbell went down for the season.

Faced with the prospect of the season falling apart, Jackson traded a 1st and 2nd round pick for Carson Palmer who had retired in protest of the Bengals personnel decision to replace him.

Jackson played Palmer right away in a move that ultimately failed, costing Jackson his job at the end of the season. Overpaying for a quarterback mid-season as a hail Mary to get some wins? Jeez, that sounds familiar.

The only difference being that Carson Palmer was somebody before and after the trade. A former 1st overall pick in the NFL Draft and a Pro Bowler.

McCarron was a 5th round pick that has proven literally nothing in the NFL. He’s been equated with Browns backup Cody Kessler, a kid full of moxie but short on talent.

His real claim to fame is being Mr. Katherine Webb. (Brent Musberger approves.)

You have two entities known to panic and one who is known to stand their ground.

The aftermath of the failed trade is also telling.

Multiple reports say Browns ownership went “nuclear” on the team’s front office over the deal. Back and to the left.

Why? Simplest answer is the deal was THEIR baby.

Critics have contended that Brown is thought to have made the calls in the 3 o’clock hour to negotiate the trade with Cincinnati. So why would he blow it up?

He might have been the person on the phone, but that doesn’t mean it was his decision to negotiate the trade. Isn’t it plausible, given the history of those involved, that he was doing so under the orders of the Haslam’s?

The Browns knew the Bengals terms earlier in the hour and said no. What changed?

Did Sashi fall in love with McCarron since April? Or since 3:15 pm?

Or did the Haslams, full of dread at their team’s waning relevance, override the group they charged with turning around the team and buckle to the Bengals outrageous demands?

Whether you approve of Sashi Brown’s football acumen or not, it’s clear that he’s an intelligent and reasonable man.

Brown must have understood the Haslam’s sensitivity to PR disasters and how botching this trade would cause a gigantic PR snafu which would mean his job. Why would he risk his career to defy the wants of a panicked ownership group?

Simple: he’s spent 2 years building the organization to this point, and caving to public pressure isn’t reasonable or responsible leadership.

This is football, everyone is well compensated so I’ll spare you the violins but the failed McCarron trade should be a wake up call to reality for Browns fans.

It doesn’t make sense that Sashi Brown would want this deal and then willfully kill it. It also doesn’t make sense that a front office who has conducted multiple trades in 2 years would suddenly forget how they work.

The emotionalism of Browns ownership and Hue Jackson is dangerous when left unchecked. Spending massive assets out of panic is a colossally moronic idea, even if it’s a well-meaning attempt to find a win or two this season.

I have little doubt that Sashi Brown will be fired over this botched trade. The Haslam’s emotional reaction will again conquer reason and give way to more dysfunction.

The front office is also an easy patsy. Their Harvard degrees & analytical focus have been an ideological threat to a proud blue collar, football town in Cleveland. People have shouted their failures and whispered their successes from the start.

Yet if he intentionally killed the McCarron trade, Brown showed real leadership, the kind the organization has needed since 1999.

For that, he deserves your appreciation and maybe a congressional medal of honor.

My advice to Sashi Brown? Beware the grassy knoll in Berea. There is always some rage monster lurking with eyes on those displaying reason and accountability.

The Browns organizational incompetence runs from the top through its core. There’s never been a worse time to be the last reasonable man in Berea.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2017/11/02...e-man-in-berea/


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Nice read. I agree. Sashi knows he will slide in to another top paying job if he gets the axe in Cleveland.


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Holy crap, I wonder how much Sashi paid for that article.

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Yet if he intentionally killed the McCarron trade, Brown showed real leadership, the kind the organization has needed since 1999.


...except for the fact that he appealed to the NFL to have the trade reinstated. blush What a load of BS.


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Holy crap, I wonder how much Sashi paid for that article.

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Yet if he intentionally killed the McCarron trade, Brown showed real leadership, the kind the organization has needed since 1999.


...except for the fact that he appealed to the NFL to have the trade reinstated. blush What a load of BS.


Most likely Haslem did, IMO. There is nothing that says Brown called with everything I've read. Only that the Browns called the NFL asking for a change. Who do you think would most likely call the NFL asking for a favor? The owner maybe? The one who swooped in and tried to force the deal in the first place?


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Yeesh. That was brilliant, and eye-opening.

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