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I can't answer that because I do not understand the laws but I will say I have heard many who do know the law state the movement of money through the fixing of the election was highly illegal, violating many laws.

The dossier research was started by a Republican donor during the Republican primary and the dossier didn't come out until after the election.

And before the election American voters weren't informed that the FBI was investigating Trump.

deflect. when it came out has no meaning, it was still bought and paid for (I believe 9million dollars) by the DNC/Clinton. So corruption is not corruption until "you hear about it" ? Is that what you are trying to say.

If they were dumb enough to be in direct contact, certainly.

Put prosecuting anyone is pretty close to a pipe dream now thanks to Trump's babbling.



Uh, it's two of them, actually. Two parties want to have a separate set of rules for each side of the aisle.

as you pointed out in the other thread, maybe the DoJ and congress haven't gone after it because of the blatant conflict of interest and other legal concerns over the president's refusal to shut up about any of it.

It would, except the dossier wasn't from Russia. It was compiled by an British ex-spy at the request of GOP operatives during the primaries. It's not illegal to collect opposition research for campaigns. It's not illegal to pay for the results of said research.

Side topic - how sad is it that more resources seem to be spent on muckraking than on policy-building?

the times in which we live...

really lets us know how corrupt our politicians are as a whole.

Considering the whining and crying about Hillary and the constant beating she is still getting from conservatives for losing, only validates to me what the conservatives would have done if Hillary won the election not to mention if she had won without carrying the popular vote.

Why are you bringing Russia into the conversation?

yeah cause the left can really take the high road on how they handled losing hahahahhahahaha. what are we on, the fifth or sixth impeachment try now???

Still the same one. Mueller is slowly getting to the bottom of things.

It might be going rather quickly if the DNC let them have access to their system.......

weird, you would think that would have been sure fire evidence Russia hacked them. I wonder why they would cooperate?

Hillary deserves every bit of crap she gets. But so does Trump. They are both terrible people and both suck. It's time both sides step up to the plate and admit that.

Did I forget my purple font? Really? Dude I'm the bernie bro on the board, everyone knows, but I get you are new.

If trump or his admin did anything wrong, he does. I have said that. But because you THINK he did doesn't mean he did. Just like the fact I THINK hil did , doesn't mean she did. But from what I see, it looks like the the anti trump pro hil supporters don't care about what Hillary/Obama did didn't do, and only care about trump.

I keep hearing the opposite side say "wahhhhhh all you do is say Hillary Hillary what about what about". Well we have an investigation on trump and Russia. so the yes, what about Hillary.

Actually I wasn't referring to anything concerning an investigation. They're both simply terrible people, terrible human beings and unfit to be our president.

JC

Deceit, corruption, threats, money laundering and fixing elections. We used to see this in other countries and say "Thank God I'm American!"

50 years ago we would have burned this whole m'fer down, 20 years ago we would have marched in the street, today we sip Starbucks and scroll Facebook while the whole thing is erased from the news cycle by a bought and paid for media in under 24 hours. "Merica!

We accuse unseen, unknown Russians of "fixing the election" because they expose proof of Hillary... fixing the election... let that sink in.

And the LAST thing this is about is whether or not Bernie would have won, or stood a chance against Trump. That's like Tonya Harding saying Kerrigan didn't have a chance... no $hit, you broke her knee caps. Duh.

And BERNIE! He should be marching in the streets with torches and Eminem's "America" blasting through speakers "with a f'n army marching in back of me". Instead he's eating Fritos and decorating his new home. I'll just share a text from my son from last night. He's a freshman at YSU trying to decide the quickest career avenue that will allow him to run for office and start to change this bs. I was heartbroken that he had to go to the polls for the first time and vote for a candidate he didn't like because he would be put in front of a firing squad before he would cast a vote for a career criminal. He eats, drinks and breaths politics and is so disgusted it's almost troubling, so intelligent it's almost inspirational. He was a staunch Bernie supporter and farther to the left than anyone on this board...


"I always understood, though didn't agree with, his (Bernie's) strategy of utilizing the Democratic party to enact actual change. But this goes beyond taking it easy on them. This is in effect lying to vast swaths of the American population about something they should know about. This is a serious stain on his reputation. You can't defend thuggish criminals without criminalizing yourself to a degree. And that's just what happened. Who do you trust when everyone's a crook? And this is not all by a long shot. Recently, Tom Perez made a move and ousted 4 prominent bernie supporters from the rules committee on the grounds of "diversifying" the party further. Recently, a Justice Democrat (Democrat pledged not to take corporate money) in Arizona was denied access to Dem party voter info, despite technically being a member of the party.

The Dem establishment is actively preparing to undermine and destroy popular efforts to reform it. There is no changing the party. What more do you have to see before you resolve to never vote Democrat again? We have the power to destroy the party. I legitimately think I will be voting Republican or Independent in the local elections just to hasten the destruction of the Democratic party."


And that's the only choice we're left with - burning this whole thing down to the ground.

Vote third party even if the candidate is Elmer Fudd - until campaign reform and these corrupt parties fix themselves.

Vote no incumbents - until term limits.

Vote candidates that adress REAL ISSUES regardless of race, creed, religious preference, sexual preference, whether or not they look good on camera or even have experience.

We have to be the spoiled brat that sits down in the middle of the classroom and screams at the top our their lungs until they get their way - or nothing changes.

/rant

Big Three Networks skip Donna Brazile bombshell that DNC was rigged for Clinton

Disgraced former CNN contributor Donna Brazile made explosive allegations that the Democratic National Committee basically rigged the 2016 primary in Hillary Clinton’s favor, but ABC, NBC and CBS’ evening newscasts failed to cover it.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...or-clinton.html

That is not a surprise. The old Soviet Union is alive and well in the United States. It is called the Democratic party and the national media.

I have said over and over the national media today is more propaganda than actual news reporting. When I was a kid we used to laugh at how the USSR media would spin news reports to the people of the Soviet Union. Now that same propaganda spin is seen and heard every day in the USA.

It was also comical back in the day when elections would be help in the USSR. Outcomes were decided before the first vote. Never did I ever think I would see that in our country. Well it happened. Sad sad day in the USA. I would be really upset if I was a Democrat. Your vote does not matter to them. There desired outcome is the thing that maters to them.

I guess this is why the Democrats want so badly to disrespect and remove this countries history. To change the future you must erase the past. Make sure people do not know what this country stands for. Totally outrages! There should be more outrage than I am seeing.

DOTD: Your sentence is written in English and I understand every word. The sentence structure is correct, as is the spelling and use of grammar. Even with all that going for it, I'm still not sure what you mean. Can you please give this statement some context, so I can get complete understanding?

I won't even pretend to know the laws behind such things.. but it seems to me that there is illegal "rigging" like suppressing votes and such.. and then there is the DNC allowing Hillary to manipulate their finances in such a way to give her a decided advantage... which I don't know if that is illegal... it's just highly unethical.

The democrats want statues of our part removed because figures in this countries past does not fit into their political correct box.

Those figures made and shaped this country. Founded this countries constitution. The democrats want to take away many of the freedoms our founding fathers fought for so they can turn this country into a communist state.

Thanks for that background.
I now understand you.

Robert E Lee , Jeb Stuart , Nathan Bedford Forrest are not names I recognize when the drafters of the constitution come to mind . The aforementioned names shaped what exactly ? Not sure how strong a grasp you have on the history of our country .

They are currently trying to remove Thomas Jefferson, George Washington statues and others. Last time I checked they were involved in the revolutionary war. Maybe you need to know the truth about who you support!

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statem...ferson-statues/

One of the biggest problems today is that everyone gets a participation statue. In my day, only the winners got statues. If you wanted a statue, you had to earn it. Now everyone, even the losers, like Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis, have participation statues. Because we don't want to hurt the losers' feelings.

Removal of Confedrate traitor statues should not be an issue. Who are THEY ? Btw I support neither the broken Republican Party nor the equally broken Democratic Party .

I find it funny that we not only glorify the losers but forget the fact that they were traitors . Some brilliant military minds among them and from that standpoint I do respect the hell out of them but let's not sugarcoat what it is that they actually stood for ....Seditious treasonous traitors .

Both of those guys were pretty awful human beings. Jefferson raped his slaves on a regular basis. Washington did some horrific things to his slaves that go beyond the mere institution. That said, I don't really care if they have statues. It doesn't bother me. If they want to take them down, and put up statues of more noble American heros, that's fine with me, too.

I wouldn't worry too much about Washington and Jefferson being erased from history because a handful of towns decide to get rid of a statue in the park. Our education system is woeful, but the early presidents are pretty well covered.

Personally I haven't seen some mass movement to erase George Washington, though.

More noble American heroes ? Who do you have in mind ? Curious about how past "heroes" would stand the scrutiny of the microscope of history . Some game changers listed below .

Lewis and Clark ? I see a few problems with that .

FDR ? Yikes

Edison ? Maybe

Ford ? No way

Astor, Mellon, Vanderbilt, Rockefellar ?? Surely not

Every hero I can think of have built their reputation on the backs and bodies of someone .

Top of my head...

Jonas Salk
Jackie Robinson
Harriet Tubman
Frederick Douglass
Booker T. Washington
Jesse Owens
Pat Tillman
Rosa Parks
Fred Rogers
Thurgood Marshall
Helen Keller
Cesar Chavez

Sauk - ok great contribution to not only America but mankind .
Jackie Robinson - nah , he was a figurehead didn't do anything monumental . He was the first not sure that qualifies IMO
Harriet Tubman - no argument
Fredrick Douglas - self promoting adulterer .
Booker T Washington - personal favorite of mine . Talk about making lemonade from lemons 👍
Jesse Owens - again an athlete figurehead .
Pat Tilman - nope, don't get me wrong I have mad respect but doesn't meet my criteria for a game changer .
Rosa Parks - figurehead , a woman who was too damned tired to move . Let's face it if it weren't her it would have been someone else . The seeds were sown . Right place right time .
Fred Rogers - ?? Scratching my head on this one . Personally dude creeped me out .
Thurmond Marshall - yup absolutely .
Helen Keller - hmmm , incredible human being I'm in awe at what obstacles she overcame .
Caesar Chavez - for a segment of the population yeah but not what comes to mind when I think of American hero .

Jc

I guess as a minority, I’m still confused as to how removing statues of people who fought to keep my ancestors enslaved and committed treason against the US somehow changes the history books?

They belong in a museum. But I guess this would be the same people who would be in Germany arguing to keep statues of Hitler up because “history”.

I skimmed through this the other day but isn't this old news? Wikileaks showed us the corruption in the Democratic party a year ago. We already knew things were rigged for Hillary. For whatever reason, liberals paid little attention to this and instead chose to take all their frustrations out on what they felt was the source of this (truthful) information.

The whole sequence is very strange. But here they are a year later, with a decimated party, no money, and perhaps finally realizing that the source of their corruption and problems comes from within.

What I find even more strange is this is the first time I have ever agreed with Elisabeth Warren on anything.

The Democrat Primary was rigged.

Donna Brazile, DNC Interim Chair, just verified and told the whole story and how it happened. Many felt the DNC cheated for Hillary but we didn't know a money deal was in place to let her call the shots during the primaries.

Here I think you're dead wrong. Let's look at voter history for a moment. Once a party has their nominee, for the most part members of that party fall in line to support that party nominee no matter who they supported in the primaries. You see, the most powerful weapon any of us actually have is our vote.

Bernie voters overwhelmingly refused to vote for Hillary because of this news. There were several factors that caused Hillary the election. One of them being she was a terrible candidate. Another reason is because she stacked the deck in her favor to gain the nomination.

Now of course the pundits did as you say. They have an agenda to push and get paid to do so. Just like those on the right do. But if you actually look at how the voters reacted, Hillary paid the price for it.

This is absolutely incorrect.

Depending on your source data, people who voted for Sanders in the primary voted for Hillary at anywhere from a 84-94% clip.

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/...mp-survey-finds

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monk...m=.b78b1f6beb43

And if you want to get even more in the weeds - going back to the 2008 primary, Hillary primary voters voted for McCain at roughly a 25-35% clip, depending on source data. A drop-off in primary to general is natural, expected, and shouldn't be cited as a reason for losing.