DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum AJ McCarron Fiasco Part 2

I would agree that Hue can’t make a trade on his own ...

That is IRRELIVENT as to when we started watching the movie ...

What i enjoy .... is watching guys that have their stances just keep digging in and accusing the other side ..

Its like its the FO vs Hue and the coaches .... u get to pick a side and then just twist things to your favor no matter how UNTRUE they are or how LITTLE THEY ACTUALLY KNOW ...

Then u have the guys that somehow think that the THIEF can somehow ram it down the FO and hues throats andtheir magically going to get along ..

Its like they have NO CLUE what just happend ... NONE ...

The FO didn’t get the trade done ... NO BIGGIE they gave it the good ol college try ... ..

Then the coaching staff with MULTIPLE e-mails from Lord only knows who on the staff .. and then Hues daughter DESTROY THE FO ... i’m Sure the FO folks didn’t take much offense to that .... ..

Ya ... the thief has magic dust that will erase everything from both sides minds ..

That’s my take as well. Both of these guys earned their dismissals which will come in a couple of months. This isn’t an either or situation both have been very unprofessional and very incompetent. Wheels on the bus go round and round.....

McCarron has a weird contract situation:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21286...free-agent-2018

I don't think having McCarron for the rest of the season (and maybe then beyond) was worth the picks. He isn't the guy I want here long term. He obviously is not better than Dalton, and Dalton is average at best.
But you have to believe Hue was in favor of the deal, and Hue has worked closely with McCarron and Kizer. So that tells me that maybe Hue doesn't think Kizer can be the guy.
We really need to just invest one of our top picks in whomever looks like the best QB coming out this year and go with him. No more of this "next year's crop is better," or "I see a flaw in his delivery," or "he is not pro-ready." Just take a guy with a big arm, a winning pedigree and a work ethic and commit to him. I like the Oklahoma AND the Oklahoma State guys, but there are others and we have plenty of time (and picks).

I think you are reading too much into that. Give Kizer weapons and maybe he will succeed. Right now he has no weapons at WR and Crow is having a really crap, ineffective year. Duke and occasionally a TE are his only weapon.

I think the trade says Hue is desperate. He wants a couple wins but, he also wants a veteran presence to work with Kizer. Now, we can argue why they cut McCown or even Osweiler until we are blue in the face. We all thought they should at least just keep BO once McCown was gone. Even if Kizer started he would have at least had somebody who has played/started/won to talk to and get advice from. We set him up with literally nothing. That is on us. Whether it is on FO, HJ doesn't matter....we put Kizer literally in a no win situation and put way too much trust in him. Kinda like giving a 16 year old the keys to a Rolls Royce and letting him drive his friends around town. You have to expect bad things will happen in that situation. Kizer may have what it takes but, we have to support him with several key offensive weapons. Question is...does this team, this owner, this coach, these fans have the patience? That is probably what Shanny and SF FO thought about looking ahead at the current college QBs. Maybe he isn't overly impressed and doesn't want to test the patience of the owners or fans any more than they have already been tested and made a calculated gamble to go after JG.

A.J. McCarron - QB - Bengals

A.J. McCarron has filed a grievance against the Bengals requesting to become an unrestricted free agent after the season.

McCarron is set to become a restricted free agent, which would make it difficult for a team like the Browns to poach him if the Bengals tender him at the first-round level, as expected. He was nearly dealt to Cleveland on Tuesday for second and third-round picks, but the deal fell through because the Browns didn't notify the league before the 4 PM ET deadline. McCarron is clearly looking for an opportunity to start, which won't happen with Andy Dalton blocking his path in Cincinnati.

Source: ESPN.comNov 5 - 8:50 AM

Player Outlook

What’s the basis for his grievance?

He started his rookie year with an injury from before he got drafted, so was put on the NFI list. He's saying he was healthy before they took him off of it, but they purposefully waited so as not to give him an accrued season.

In a nutshell:

The Bengals held him out until Dec 7th ish his rookie year because of his shoulder issue. McC claims that he was good-to-go in training camp.

The "holdout" until Dec prevented McC from gaining that coveted year of experience - ala our own Josh Gordon - that would make him an Unrestricted free agent this spring.

Thanks guys!

AND, supposedly he passed the physical they gave him.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/some-...mccarron-trade/

I wish him the best of luck as long as he doesn't end up here.

Our friend, Jason LaC...(can't bring myself to say his name).

Not really. No matter how hard you spin it.

Interesting, thanks for the explanation.

AJ McCarron files grievance vs. Bengals, wants to be unrestricted free agent in 2018

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21286...free-agent-2018

Cincinnati Bengals quarterback AJ McCarron, at the center of headlines this past week, soon will be the center of headlines again.

McCarron filed a grievance against the Bengals earlier this year and is awaiting a ruling from an arbitrator that will determine whether he is an unrestricted or restricted free agent after this season, sources tell ESPN.

The ruling, expected sometime this winter, could determine whether the Browns are able to sign McCarron to a potentially lucrative contract without any compensation to Cincinnati or whether Cleveland would have to trade for his rights.

The arbitrator's decision will impact the free agent quarterback class of 2018, and could help influence who is playing the position in Cleveland. The Browns also could decide to turn their attention this offseason to Bengals starting quarterback Andy Dalton, who played under Cleveland head coach Hue Jackson in Cincinnati.

If the arbitrator rules that McCarron is a restricted free agent, Cincinnati likely would place a first-round tender on him, which would make it difficult for Cleveland or any other team to simply sign him away to an offer sheet, sources told ESPN.

The Browns agreed to trade second- and third-round picks to the Bengals in a deal that would have sent McCarron to Cleveland on Tuesday. But the NFL denied the deal because Cleveland failed to notify the league before the 4 p.m. ET deadline.

McCarron's grievance dates back to his rookie season in 2014, when the Bengals drafted him in the fifth round. McCarron initially passed his post-draft physical, but the Bengals placed him on the non-football injury (NFI) list at the start of training camp due to a shoulder issue.

In McCarron's opinion, he was healthy enough to come off the NFI list during training camp, which would have counted his rookie year towards free agency. But Cincinnati didn't add McCarron to its active roster until Dec. 9, meaning it was too late for him to accrue a season toward his free agency.

Under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, a player receives an accrued season that counts toward free agency if he were eligible to play in six regular-season games.

Dalton is finished with the guaranteed money portion of his contract; his $13.7 million salary for next season is not guaranteed, and Cincinnati can trade or release him without any salary-cap charges, according to a review of his deal.

Dalton always enjoyed playing for Jackson and Washington Redskins coach Jay Gruden, who both previously served as offensive coordinators in Cincinnati and who both could be in need of a quarterback. Both Jackson and Gruden liked Dalton as well, a source told ESPN.

Washington could be in need of a starting quarterback if Kirk Cousins, who is on an expiring contract, leaves as a free agent.

So depending on what happens with McCarron's grievance against the Bengals, Cincinnati could have offers for two of its quarterback this offseason.

J/C

Saw a friend tweet something that somewhat had me curious - Does anyone feel like perhaps should be fired knowing that if he remains, there is a very high chance that AJ McCarron is going to be our starting quarterback?

That just doesn't feel right. It doesn't really feel like an answer to our positional woes.

Are you talking about Hue? "...perhaps should be fired... doesn't name a person.

I have a question for you guys: What if McCarron does indeed go to another team next year and becomes a very good qb? What then?

Will the FO apologists once again change the narrative and say that Sashi tried very hard to obtain McCarron, but the Bengals blew the trade and/or the NFL has it out for the Browns? LOL.......that would almost be hilarious.

I may be AJ's biggest fan on this board. (ducking as other dawgtalkers throw tomatoes at me).

1st, I am glad the trade didn't go through. I don't think he is worth a 2nd and a 3rd, Especially if he wins his grievance (which I think he should).

2nd, Of the potentially available Qb's next off season, he would not be my 1st choice. Drew Brees might be available and he would be my number as a couple year bridge until we find and develop a young guy. Also Alex Smith and Cousins, but I doubt any of them would come here.

Having said that, I would not be upset if we signed AJ as an unrestricted free agent. I think that he can be a solid veteran QB and actually give us a real NFL Qb. Not an elite NFL Qb, most likely not even a very good NFL Qb but I do believe that he will be a solid/average NFL Qb - which is something we haven't had in a long time. Especially if we keep Hue.

I don't know about others, but I would have more respect for him.